Thoughts on Faneca, Youth Movement & UCFAs

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1. According the NY media the Jets considered G Alan Faneca as the weakest link in their highly productive offensive line. This year in the playoffs, because I am such an Alan Faneca fan, I watched him almost excusively, and I was, as always, extremely impressed with the level of his play. Faneca is still, at 33, a classic mauler at LG. You don't run the way the Jets did last year with a weak link at LG. He's still one of the top run blocking guards in the NFL.

The issue is his pass blocking. He gave up 4 sacks last year and struggled some the year before.

The Jets still will have to pay Faneca in excess of $5M this year in guaranteed money.

Faneca wanted to sign in Arizona in 2008, and would have, had the Cardinals resolved Larry Fitzgerald's contract situation prior to the start of free agency.

This year is actually a better year for him to come to Arizona. The Cardinals plan to run the ball much more this year than in recent years and they have a two-horse tandem at RB in Beanie Wels and Tim Hightower.

Signing Faneca to aid and abet the cause for a dynamic running attack would not only be a talent boost, but a real psychological boost as well. Imagine what youngsters Levi Brown, Lyle Sendlein, Deuce Lutui, Brandon Keith and Herman Johnson would feel about having a 7 time All Pro lining up with them.

Imagine the confidence Beanie and Tim would have running behind Faneca.

The Cardinals gave the lowest grade of all their lineman last year to LG Reggie Wells. But, this was not for Wells' pass protection grade, for Wells did not give up a sack.

So here's the catch: play Faneca at LG and, on obvious passing downs (3rd and longs), play Reggie Wells.

This might be a moot point if Russ Grimm can help Faneca refocus on his pass blocking technique.

2. The Cardinals were one of the oldest teams in the NFL last year...but we are now seeing quite an extraordinary youth movement emerge. Think about this:

QB Matt Leinart---only 1 start in the last two years. This might be the first time in his short career that he will start every game.

QB Derek Anderson---what is he 26?

QB John Skelton---rookie as #3 QB

RBs Beanie Wells, Tim Hightower and LaRod Stephens-Howling: 4 years NFL experience combined.

LT Levi Brown---1st year at LT, 4th year in the NFL.

C Lyle Sendlein---4th year in NFL

RG Deuce Lutui---5th year in NFL

RTs Brandon Keith and Herman Johnson---3 years combined experience, 0 starts.

WR Steve Breaston---4th year

WR Early Doucet---3rd year

WR Andre Roberts---rookie

TE Ben Patrick---4th year

TE Stephen Spach---3rd year

NT Gabe Watson---4th year

NT Dan Williams---rookie

DE Calais Campbell---3rd year

DE Kenny Iwebema---3rd year

DE Alan Branch---4th year

LB Reggie Walker---2nd year

LB Daryl Washington---rookie

LBs Cody Brown, Will Davis---2nd year (1st really for Brown)

LB O'Brien Schofield---rookie

CBs DRC, Greg Toler---3rd/2nd year

CB Michael Adams---3rd year

CB Jorrick Calvin---rookie

S Rashad Johnson---2nd year

As my cousin Vinny would say, "Judge, these two utes..."

But, I guess the point of all this is...the Cardinals are going to rely very heavily on their youth this year. And because the team has won the division the past two years there is still the expectation that this team expects to win and keep winning. If the Cardinals can continue to win with this type of youth and they can hold onto the key parts for years to come, wow. As long as the division lacks a dominant QB, the Cardinals will have a chance. And hopefully as the Cardinals had with Kurt Warner, the next dominant QB in the NFC West will be Leinart, Anderson or Skelton.

3. Once again I think the Cardinals have done a splendid job in the UCFA market. Here are some of my notes on these propects:

David Moosman, G, 6-5, 292, Michigan. Good technician, but needs to add bulk. A classic Grimm and Lott project. Could stick on the PS. Played center too, but struggled with some of his snaps.

Max Hall, QB, 6-1, 201, BYU. The Cardinals added the strongest armed QB in the draft yesterday in John Skelton. In Hall, they added perhaps the most accurate. Here are his stats:

2007 60.1%, 3,848 yds., 26-12 TD/int, 137.7 rating
2008 69.0%, 3,957 yds., 35-14 TD/int, 156.9 rating
2009 67.2%, 3,560 yds., 33-14 TD/int, 160.3 rating.

Notice the consistency of these numbers and notice how his rating went up each year. Those are excellent signs.

This year in the MAACO Bowl versus Oregon St. Hall led BYU to a 44-20 rout, going 19/30, 192 yards, 3 TDs, 0 ints.

Alphonso Smith, RB, 6-1, 208, Kentucky. Only had 712 career rushing yards at 4.1 ypc at Kentucky...so he wasn't used all that much. However, he wowed scouts at his Pro Day by running a 4.38 40. Has very good return ability.

Max Komar, WR, 5-11, 202, Idaho. Here's your next Lance Long, only this guy, unlike Long, brings some impressive college stats with him. Last year he was 2nd team All-WAC, catching 63 passes for 1,052 yards for a 16.7 yard average and scored 11 TDs. He had 100 yard plus games against Washington, Colorado St., Nevada, Louisiana Tech and Utah St. In the Roady's Humanitarian Bowl, Komar caught the last second game winning 16 yard TD...final score 43-42 Idaho. Teammate of Mike Iupati...some trash talking will be flying there...

Stephen Williams, WR, 6-5, 199, Toledo. 1st Team All-MAC, Williams this year became Toledo's all-time leader in receptions (229) and yards (3102). At his size and speed (4.4), he's the big receiver compliment to Breaston, Doucet and Roberts. Notice how consitent his numbers were at Toldeo:

2007 73 catches, 1,116 yards, 16.0, 7
2008 71 catches, 781 yards, 11.0, 8
2009 79 catches, 1,065 yards, 13.5, 5

I read an article wherein the reporter was saying how impressive Williams' numbers were despite the fact that Toledo has struggled at QB the past few years...and there had been several QB changes in the interim.

Casey Knips, T, 6-8, 306, South Dakota St. Runs a 5.02 40. Good athlete especially at his size. Technique is raw, but he held up well in games anyway. Had plenty of practice blocking 6th round draft pick teammate DE Danny Batten. Another classic Grimm and Lott project.

A.J. Jefferson, CB, 6-0, 190, Fresno St. This is a promising signing for the Cardinals. He fits the Henderson mold of bump and run style defense, and is particulary impressive in the red zone. Plus, add him to the ever-growing talent the Cardinals are amassing in the return game. Jefferson is still very raw (needs major work playing the ball, for example and needs to learn the nuances of off-coverage and zone)...but he fits the style because he's a long-armed physical press corner.

Devin Tyler, T, 6-8, 308, Temple. Again, what a prospect at his size, athleticism, 33 3/4 inch arms, and strength (34 reps at 225). One of his best games was against Penn. St. where he earned a 90% grade, so he's got some talent to go with his impressive size.

Juamorris Stewart, WR, 6-3, 205, Southern. Good consistent numbers:

2008 73/1109/15.2/12
2009 80/1022/12.8/11

First team All-Conference in 2009. Played in the Nation versus Texas game, I believe, but haven't seen any stats. Did anyone see him? The one scouting report I read did not rave about him...basically saying that no aspect of his game stands out and that he's reluctant to catch the ball over the middle. But, that's only one scout's view and he may have seen him on a bad day.

Any realistic roster chances for these UCFAs?

What do you think?

I'll chime in later with my thoughts on that. I do think there are a couple of possibilities. And several PS locks here.

Let the Cardinals' Youth ("Ute") Movement rage on. As they say, "if you are going to bring 'em.......Brigham Young!"
 
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As they say, "if you are going to bring 'em.......Brigham Young!"...................... and lock 'em in the bathroom

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I hope Jefferson and Williams stick. I would like to see Micah Johnson brought in too.

If this is the deepest draft in years, common sense would say this is the deepest UDFA group in years as well. Hopefully that shows in a couple of these guys making the team in some capacity.
 

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Sorry your honor, the two youtthhhhsss.

I hope we aren't done as another CB or two and a SLIB or two are IMO needed.

Looks like Hunter Lawrence sign with the Bucs. I posted he was added so I apologize if you went off my incorrect info.

WR Stephen Williams measurables have me rooting for him.

An OT will have to make the PS.
 

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The issue is his pass blocking. He gave up 4 sacks last year and struggled some the year before.

So here's the catch: play Faneca at LG and, on obvious passing downs (3rd and longs), play Reggie Wells.

This might be a moot point if Russ Grimm can help Faneca refocus on his pass blocking technique.

He gave up 6 sacks last year(not 4) and 7 the year before. 3 his last year with Pitt but only played half the snaps. In that 3 year time span he is the worst pass blocking OG in football in pass attempts per sack given up. He was never a good pass blocker when Grimm was there so I think that is a moot point becuase for something to be refocused on there had to of been something there in the first place. He is a run blocker nothing more nothing less. Putting that next to Levi Brown scares the crap out of me. Even if we do run the ball more often we will not run it 600+ times a year like the Jets did. Jets got rid of him not because of money, you already outlined why it wasn't a money thing, it wasn't a leader thing either because he was a locker room leader, it was because he was a liability in protecting their franchise QB.

As for switching back and forth between Wells and Faneca. Just a bad idea for many reasons, first off player psyche, neither player will like that and neither will the players they play next to in Lyle and Levi. Then you are just completely showing the D what you will do. Just trade Wells to get back your 2011 7th rounder and be done with IMO.

I am not completely opposed to bringing him in but man you better give that left side a ton of help and a lot of boot legs (which I think will be a staple in this O anyways in 2010) to the right side.

I think you want him so much because you want Matt to get injured again.;)
 

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The Cardinals were one of the oldest teams in the NFL last year...but we are now seeing quite an extraordinary youth movement emerge.

I firmly believe that you win in the NFL with veteran players who have been on your team for awhile. One important reason the Cards lost all the time in the past was that they were always the youngest team in the NFL and with the coaching carousel were constantly turning over the roster. On the other hand the last couple of years the Cards, I believe, had the most long term players of any team in the NFL.

So the good part about this youth movement is that the Cards still have the 3rd and 4th year and longer veterans necessary to win manning most starting positions.

Wells, Tolar and who else could start on opening day that aren't going into at least their 3rd year in the NFL?
 

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David Moosman, G, 6-5, 292, Michigan. Good technician, but needs to add bulk. A classic Grimm and Lott project. Could stick on the PS. Played center too, but struggled with some of his snaps.

Anyone named Moosman is good in my book. Heard he will most likely be trying out as a center here to begin with.

Alphonso Smith, RB, 6-1, 208, Kentucky. Only had 712 career rushing yards at 4.1 ypc at Kentucky...so he wasn't used all that much. However, he wowed scouts at his Pro Day by running a 4.38 40. Has very good return ability.

Followed Kentucky a lot this year and he does have some very good physical attributes. But he is not have very good return ability. I think he has only been asked to do it like 5 times per year. Not sure if he has ever even broke one longer then 30 yards in that short sample.

I am noticing a trend with the OL so far this and last year. We certainly like them tall don't we.
 

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1. According the NY media the Jets considered G Alan Faneca as the weakest link in their highly productive offensive line. This year in the playoffs, because I am such an Alan Faneca fan, I watched him almost excusively, and I was, as always, extremely impressed with the level of his play. Faneca is still, at 33, a classic mauler at LG. You don't run the way the Jets did last year with a weak link at LG. He's still one of the top run blocking guards in the NFL.

The issue is his pass blocking. He gave up 4 sacks last year and struggled some the year before.

The Jets still will have to pay Faneca in excess of $5M this year in guaranteed money.

Faneca wanted to sign in Arizona in 2008, and would have, had the Cardinals resolved Larry Fitzgerald's contract situation prior to the start of free agency.

This year is actually a better year for him to come to Arizona. The Cardinals plan to run the ball much more this year than in recent years and they have a two-horse tandem at RB in Beanie Wels and Tim Hightower.

Signing Faneca to aid and abet the cause for a dynamic running attack would not only be a talent boost, but a real psychological boost as well. Imagine what youngsters Levi Brown, Lyle Sendlein, Deuce Lutui, Brandon Keith and Herman Johnson would feel about having a 7 time All Pro lining up with them.

Imagine the confidence Beanie and Tim would have running behind Faneca.

The Cardinals gave the lowest grade of all their lineman last year to LG Reggie Wells. But, this was not for Wells' pass protection grade, for Wells did not give up a sack.

So here's the catch: play Faneca at LG and, on obvious passing downs (3rd and longs), play Reggie Wells.

This might be a moot point if Russ Grimm can help Faneca refocus on his pass blocking technique.

2. The Cardinals were one of the oldest teams in the NFL last year...but we are now seeing quite an extraordinary youth movement emerge. Think about this:

QB Matt Leinart---only 1 start in the last two years. This might be the first time in his short career that he will start every game.

QB Derek Anderson---what is he 26?

QB John Skelton---rookie as #3 QB

RBs Beanie Wells, Tim Hightower and LaRod Stephens-Howling: 4 years NFL experience combined.

LT Levi Brown---1st year at LT, 4th year in the NFL.

C Lyle Sendlein---4th year in NFL

RG Deuce Lutui---5th year in NFL

RTs Brandon Keith and Herman Johnson---3 years combined experience, 0 starts.

WR Steve Breaston---4th year

WR Early Doucet---3rd year

WR Andre Roberts---rookie

TE Ben Patrick---4th year

TE Stephen Spach---3rd year

NT Gabe Watson---4th year

NT Dan Williams---rookie

DE Calais Campbell---3rd year

DE Kenny Iwebema---3rd year

DE Alan Branch---4th year

LB Reggie Walker---2nd year

LB Daryl Washington---rookie

LBs Cody Brown, Will Davis---2nd year (1st really for Brown)

LB O'Brien Schofield---rookie

CBs DRC, Greg Toler---3rd/2nd year

CB Michael Adams---3rd year

CB Jorrick Calvin---rookie

S Rashad Johnson---2nd year

As my cousin Vinny would say, "Judge, these two utes..."

But, I guess the point of all this is...the Cardinals are going to rely very heavily on their youth this year. And because the team has won the division the past two years there is still the expectation that this team expects to win and keep winning. If the Cardinals can continue to win with this type of youth and they can hold onto the key parts for years to come, wow. As long as the division lacks a dominant QB, the Cardinals will have a chance. And hopefully as the Cardinals had with Kurt Warner, the next dominant QB in the NFC West will be Leinart, Anderson or Skelton.

3. Once again I think the Cardinals have done a splendid job in the UCFA market. Here are some of my notes on these propects:

David Moosman, G, 6-5, 292, Michigan. Good technician, but needs to add bulk. A classic Grimm and Lott project. Could stick on the PS. Played center too, but struggled with some of his snaps.

Max Hall, QB, 6-1, 201, BYU. The Cardinals added the strongest armed QB in the draft yesterday in John Skelton. In Hall, they added perhaps the most accurate. Here are his stats:

2007 60.1%, 3,848 yds., 26-12 TD/int, 137.7 rating
2008 69.0%, 3,957 yds., 35-14 TD/int, 156.9 rating
2009 67.2%, 3,560 yds., 33-14 TD/int, 160.3 rating.

Notice the consistency of these numbers and notice how his rating went up each year. Those are excellent signs.

This year in the MAACO Bowl versus Oregon St. Hall led BYU to a 44-20 rout, going 19/30, 192 yards, 3 TDs, 0 ints.

Alphonso Smith, RB, 6-1, 208, Kentucky. Only had 712 career rushing yards at 4.1 ypc at Kentucky...so he wasn't used all that much. However, he wowed scouts at his Pro Day by running a 4.38 40. Has very good return ability.

Max Komar, WR, 5-11, 202, Idaho. Here's your next Lance Long, only this guy, unlike Long, brings some impressive college stats with him. Last year he was 2nd team All-WAC, catching 63 passes for 1,052 yards for a 16.7 yard average and scored 11 TDs. He had 100 yard plus games against Washington, Colorado St., Nevada, Louisiana Tech and Utah St. In the Roady's Humanitarian Bowl, Komar caught the last second game winning 16 yard TD...final score 43-42 Idaho. Teammate of Mike Iupati...some trash talking will be flying there...

Stephen Williams, WR, 6-5, 199, Toledo. 1st Team All-MAC, Williams this year became Toledo's all-time leader in receptions (229) and yards (3102). At his size and speed (4.4), he's the big receiver compliment to Breaston, Doucet and Roberts. Notice how consitent his numbers were at Toldeo:

2007 73 catches, 1,116 yards, 16.0, 7
2008 71 catches, 781 yards, 11.0, 8
2009 79 catches, 1,065 yards, 13.5, 5

I read an article wherein the reporter was saying how impressive Williams' numbers were despite the fact that Toledo has struggled at QB the past few years...and there had been several QB changes in the interim.

Casey Knips, T, 6-8, 306, South Dakota St. Runs a 5.02 40. Good athlete especially at his size. Technique is raw, but he held up well in games anyway. Had plenty of practice blocking 6th round draft pick teammate DE Danny Batten. Another classic Grimm and Lott project.

A.J. Jefferson, CB, 6-0, 190, Fresno St. This is a promising signing for the Cardinals. He fits the Henderson mold of bump and run style defense, and is particulary impressive in the red zone. Plus, add him to the ever-growing talent the Cardinals are amassing in the return game. Jefferson is still very raw (needs major work playing the ball, for example and needs to learn the nuances of off-coverage and zone)...but he fits the style because he's a long-armed physical press corner.

Devin Tyler, T, 6-8, 308, Temple. Again, what a prospect at his size, athleticism, 33 3/4 inch arms, and strength (34 reps at 225). One of his best games was against Penn. St. where he earned a 90% grade, so he's got some talent to go with his impressive size.

Juamorris Stewart, WR, 6-3, 205, Southern. Good consistent numbers:

2008 73/1109/15.2/12
2009 80/1022/12.8/11

First team All-Conference in 2009. Played in the Nation versus Texas game, I believe, but haven't seen any stats. Did anyone see him? The one scouting report I read did not rave about him...basically saying that no aspect of his game stands out and that he's reluctant to catch the ball over the middle. But, that's only one scout's view and he may have seen him on a bad day.

Hunter Lawrence, K, 5-11, 187, Texas. Made what was possibly the most clutch FG of the season and in Texas football history when he nailed the game-winner versus Nebraska in the Big 12 Championship with one second on the clock and from 46 yards. The trajectory and distance on that kick were amazing...it was 3 yards inside the left upright about 7/8ths of the way up the pole from 46 yards out! 3rd Team All American. Made 22/25 FGs this past season (10/11 from beyond 40 yards)...10/12 the season before...and yes, he tackles! He had 8 tackles on returns the past two years. Gotta love this kid's accuracy and his ability to make long FGs and make them in the clutch.

Any realistic roster chances for these UCFAs?

What do you think?

I'll chime in later with my thoughts on that. I do think there are a couple of possibilities. And several PS locks here.

Let the Cardinals' Youth ("Ute") Movement rage on. As they say, "if you are going to bring 'em.......Brigham Young!"

Stephen Williams has the best chance to make the team IMO
Top 4 WRs
Fitz
Breaston
Doucet
Roberts

Williams versus Mougey,Gant,Jones,Stewart and Komar for 5th WR spot

A battle between Knips and Devlin for one of the last spots on line

Cards O-line
Sendlein C
R. Wells G
Lutui G
L. Brown T
Bridges T

backups
H.Johnson G-T
Keith G-T
Hadnot G-C

Claxton C
Moosman C
Palmer G-T
Pestock T-G
Knips T
Devlin T

Battle will be for 9th spot if Cards carry 9 OL.


Alfonso Smith RB-practice squad-IMO
A.J.Jefferson CB-has a long short to make team if he shows enough in camp.Cards might not feel comfortable with McBride and Barksdale behind Adams .

I really like the Jim Dray TE Stanford pick.The more i read about him and how good a blocker he is...With Spach and Becht on 1 year contracts .......Cards looked ahead IMO.
 

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are you honestly saying that we should sub in Reggie Wells for third and longs? come on...
 

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A.J. Jefferson, CB, 6-0, 190, Fresno St. This is a promising signing for the Cardinals. He fits the Henderson mold of bump and run style defense, and is particulary impressive in the red zone. Plus, add him to the ever-growing talent the Cardinals are amassing in the return game. Jefferson is still very raw (needs major work playing the ball, for example and needs to learn the nuances of off-coverage and zone)...but he fits the style because he's a long-armed physical press corner.

Winner winner chicken dinner.
 

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Mitch the Machine.

Sorry your honor, the two youtthhhhsss.

I hope we aren't done as another CB or two and a SLIB or two are IMO needed.

Looks like Hunter Lawrence sign with the Bucs. I posted he was added so I apologize if you went off my incorrect info.

WR Stephen Williams measurables have me rooting for him.

An OT will have to make the PS.

Cardiac----Whiz has said that they will be looking at FA CB's again after the draft, and I am sure he has one or two lined up.
 

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A.J. Jefferson, CB, 6-0, 190, Fresno St. This is a promising signing for the Cardinals. He fits the Henderson mold of bump and run style defense, and is particulary impressive in the red zone. Plus, add him to the ever-growing talent the Cardinals are amassing in the return game. Jefferson is still very raw (needs major work playing the ball, for example and needs to learn the nuances of off-coverage and zone)...but he fits the style because he's a long-armed physical press corner.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

I understand why we brought him in (extreme lack of depth) but it concerns me that this guy did not get a single interception in 4 years at Fresno State. Can we at least look at bringing in Devin Ross too?
 

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Mitch the Machine.

Sorry your honor, the two youtthhhhsss.

I hope we aren't done as another CB or two and a SLIB or two are IMO needed.

Looks like Hunter Lawrence sign with the Bucs. I posted he was added so I apologize if you went off my incorrect info.

WR Stephen Williams measurables have me rooting for him.

An OT will have to make the PS.

Cardiac-----Whiz said that he would be looking again at FA's to fill our CB needs and that probably means that he has one or two already lined up.
 

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Faneca would be a nice signing.

Might I add that I read somewhere that Shawne Merriman is on the trade block? Maybe he will get released still or something.
 

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Cardiac----Whiz has said that they will be looking at FA CB's again after the draft, and I am sure he has one or two lined up.

Well we did sign Jefferson and drafted Calvin so we have 2 candidates. If you mean Vet FA's then I got a different impression from the post draft presser. RG and Whis said it was possible but reading body language and facial exspressions it didn't seem something they were putting at the top of their to do lists. I'm hoping you are correct.

I'm not as freaked out about the CB situation as some (many) but I'm not without some concerns.

Fun draft though wasn't it!
 

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I want Devin Tyler to stick on and become a starter so I can get a jersey with my name on the back.
 

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If you mean Vet FA's then I got a different impression from the post draft presser. RG and Whis said it was possible but reading body language and facial exspressions it didn't seem something they were putting at the top of their to do lists. I'm hoping you are correct.

Got to agree with this assessment. Didnt read any body language or anything but they did not say they were looking at bringing in FA CB's. They were asked a question about it and they only said it was a possibility, just like any other position. Nothing more nothing less.
 

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ajirotutu singed with Chargers; he will stick for a few years for sure... Kid will be solid... oh well...
 

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I'm extremely excited about Max Hall. I like him more than Skelton, who i think is not accurate enough to play, and is not making progressions efficiently. However Skelton has all the potential to be a solid QB in the future.

Max Hall, I love the way he steps up in the pocket, and his throws are soft, and catchable. Sometimes he loses his mecahnics, throws across his body etc., and then he is not as good. But he has alot of pro QB in him to get excited about. He also seems as a leader to me. I like the fact he kept improving.

The great thing about Hall is that he has a very fast release. He will stick arround and find a place I believe.

I'm alse excited about Stephen Williams. I think he makes the team, altough he wont add much on ST. He has a very good hand eye coordination, and jump ball ability. Big target and we could add one more to the roster.
 

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I firmly believe that you win in the NFL with veteran players who have been on your team for awhile. One important reason the Cards lost all the time in the past was that they were always the youngest team in the NFL and with the coaching carousel were constantly turning over the roster. On the other hand the last couple of years the Cards, I believe, had the most long term players of any team in the NFL.

So the good part about this youth movement is that the Cards still have the 3rd and 4th year and longer veterans necessary to win manning most starting positions.

Wells, Tolar and who else could start on opening day that aren't going into at least their 3rd year in the NFL?

I don't think the problem was having too many young players as it was having too many crappy young players. It's not like any of those guys went on to become good veterans.
 

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