Thoughts on Foote, Lenon, Porter and Whitehurst

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Did anyone find it curious that Larry Foote's contract with the Steelers earns him $3.9M this year? That could be a very telling number in that if the Cardinals paid him in excess of the $3.7M cutoff (per the Final 8 Rules) Foote would have qualified for one of the two BIG FA contracts the Cardinals are now allowed to sign.

It's possible that Foote thought he was going to earn a huge payday in Arizona, figuring the team was desperate to replace Dansby and were willing to franchise Dansby to the tune of over $17M the last two years. Not to say that Foote thought he's get that kind of money, but he probably was thinking he'd get somewhere between $4-5M a year.

I remember watching his interview during his visit and it was hard not to feel that the scenario was too good to be true. Foote was gushing about the Cardinals as his number one choice and that he was "begging" for this chance to join a winner. I think he was begging for the big contract, and the Cardinals had not planned making him one of their two BIG FA contracts, figuring they could easliy sign him under the $3.7M cutoff. My guess is that they offered him a deal similar to the one Rex Hadnot just received...somewhere in the neighborhood of 3/$9M with incentives.

The Steelers jumped in at $3.9M the first year and that was that.

Meanwhile, the Cardinals were smart. They had their plan B in place, and were sure that they could acquire Paris Lenon to a deal under the $3.7M cutoff.

I am imagining too that Cardinals' LB coach Matt Raich had done his due diligence and had broken down a good deal of game tape on both Foote and Lenon and come to the conclusion that Lenon's value was similar to Foote's. The only sticking point is that Foote is familiar with the 3-4 and Lenon is not. But, hey, a good LB coach like Raich knows he can coach up a solid veteran like Lenon. BTW, Raich was the one who figured out Brett Favre's signals and helped design the master gameplan (an amoeba looking confusion plan) that they threw with great results at the Vikings.

Now this is where Joey Porter and Charlie Whitehurst come in. You see, these are the two BIG contracts (in excess of $3.7M/year) the Cardinals are arranging. At first they probably thought they could offer sub $3.7M money to Whitehurst, but when the Seahawks jumped into the picture the bidding most likely went up...which meant that the was no way they could offer Foote one of the big contracts.

I think that we will see Porter sign in the next couple of days. This is his best gig and he knows it. I am thinking he will get a 2 year $12M deal with $6M guaranteed and some sack total and playoffs incentives.

The curious thing about Whitehurst is the delay. Did the Seahawks offer more money? Because if the money is equal, any young QB looking at an opportunity to play with the Cardinals must be licking his chops. Right now the same cannot be said about the Seahawks'. And really it's not all that close. Plus, having seen what Whiz did with Warner, if you were a young QB with all this potential, what coach would you want to play for?

On a side note...imagine the headline if the Cardinals draft Rutgers' CB Devin McCourty..."The Cardinals have signed Lenon and McCourty." The gig is on! Like they wrote, "Tomorrow never knows"...
 

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I hope the Cards are smart enough not to waste one of their two big contracts and a third round pick on a back up QB with two pass atttempts in four years in the NFL for a guy who AT BEST will be a backup QB in Arizona IMO.
 
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Eh I don't know what Whiz did with Warner , considering he was a former MVP before he ever played for Whiz.

I also don't know what on earth Whitehurst has done to warrant getting into a bidding war or giving him a "big" contract plus giving up a 3rd.
 

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Did anyone find it curious that Larry Foote's contract with the Steelers earns him $3.9M this year? That could be a very telling number in that if the Cardinals paid him in excess of the $3.7M cutoff (per the Final 8 Rules) Foote would have qualified for one of the two BIG FA contracts the Cardinals are now allowed to sign.

It's possible that Foote thought he was going to earn a huge payday in Arizona, figuring the team was desperate to replace Dansby and were willing to franchise Dansby to the tune of over $17M the last two years. Not to say that Foote thought he's get that kind of money, but he probably was thinking he'd get somewhere between $4-5M a year.

I remember watching his interview during his visit and it was hard not to feel that the scenario was too good to be true. Foote was gushing about the Cardinals as his number one choice and that he was "begging" for this chance to join a winner. I think he was begging for the big contract, and the Cardinals had not planned making him one of their two BIG FA contracts, figuring they could easliy sign him under the $3.7M cutoff. My guess is that they offered him a deal similar to the one Rex Hadnot just received...somewhere in the neighborhood of 3/$9M with incentives.

The Steelers jumped in at $3.9M the first year and that was that.

Meanwhile, the Cardinals were smart. They had their plan B in place, and were sure that they could acquire Paris Lenon to a deal under the $3.7M cutoff.

I am imagining too that Cardinals' LB coach Matt Raich had done his due diligence and had broken down a good deal of game tape on both Foote and Lenon and come to the conclusion that Lenon's value was similar to Foote's. The only sticking point is that Foote is familiar with the 3-4 and Lenon is not. But, hey, a good LB coach like Raich knows he can coach up a solid veteran like Lenon. BTW, Raich was the one who figured out Brett Favre's signals and helped design the master gameplan (an amoeba looking confusion plan) that they threw with great results at the Vikings.

Now this is where Joey Porter and Charlie Whitehurst come in. You see, these are the two BIG contracts (in excess of $3.7M/year) the Cardinals are arranging. At first they probably thought they could offer sub $3.7M money to Whitehurst, but when the Seahawks jumped into the picture the bidding most likely went up...which meant that the was no way they could offer Foote one of the big contracts.

I think that we will see Porter sign in the next couple of days. This is his best gig and he knows it. I am thinking he will get a 2 year $12M deal with $6M guaranteed and some sack total and playoffs incentives.

The curious thing about Whitehurst is the delay. Did the Seahawks offer more money? Because if the money is equal, any young QB looking at an opportunity to play with the Cardinals must be licking his chops. Right now the same cannot be said about the Seahawks'. And really it's not all that close. Plus, having seen what Whiz did with Warner, if you were a young QB with all this potential, what coach would you want to play for?

On a side note...imagine the headline if the Cardinals draft Rutgers' CB Devin McCourty..."The Cardinals have signed Lenon and McCourty." The gig is on! Like they wrote, "Tomorrow never knows"...

I also think Porter will sign with us. Porter knows that he fits best and has fimiliar faces on the team that he jelled with in pitt. No if we can somehow get that DT Ringo and maybe Harrison from Pitt we would have a world beater team. LOL
 

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I thought since Porter was cut he didn't count against the limits put in place on the top 8 teams.
 

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I hope the Cards are smart enough not to waste one of their two big contracts and a third round pick on a back up QB with two pass atttempts in four years in the NFL for a guy who AT BEST will be a backup QB in Arizona IMO.

Amen to that. Would make me sick.
 
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Did anyone find it curious that Larry Foote's contract with the Steelers earns him $3.9M this year? That could be a very telling number in that if the Cardinals paid him in excess of the $3.7M cutoff (per the Final 8 Rules) Foote would have qualified for one of the two BIG FA contracts the Cardinals are now allowed to sign.
Very good point, Mitch, first I've seen this perspective mentioned.
 

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Are there any reports on what the Cards offer was to Whitehurst? Even if he has nice potential, I don't see too many QB's that were #3 getting $4 million contracts. There may be incentives to get his salary up but I can't see a $4 million base.
 

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Are there any reports on what the Cards offer was to Whitehurst? Even if he has nice potential, I don't see too many QB's that were #3 getting $4 million contracts. There may be incentives to get his salary up but I can't see a $4 million base.

We know he was tendered $1.5 million by the Chargers. No way is he worth morth than $2.5 mill until he proves something.
 

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Good perspective, though if true, I'm not quite sure what I make of it. Porter seems like a one-year stop gap and Whitehurst seems like a speculative gamble. Neither worth losing out on good players of need.

Are there any players still due roster bonuses that are at risk of getting cut?
 

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On a side note...imagine the headline if the Cardinals draft Rutgers' CB Devin McCourty..."The Cardinals have signed Lenon and McCourty." The gig is on! Like they wrote, "Tomorrow never knows"...

Then if we could somehow get James Harrison...
 

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On a side note...imagine the headline if the Cardinals draft Rutgers' CB Devin McCourty..."The Cardinals have signed Lenon and McCourty." The gig is on! Like they wrote, "Tomorrow never knows"...

Now this is the insider kind of information that I am looking for.:D
 

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Did anyone find it curious that Larry Foote's contract with the Steelers earns him $3.9M this year? That could be a very telling number in that if the Cardinals paid him in excess of the $3.7M cutoff (per the Final 8 Rules) Foote would have qualified for one of the two BIG FA contracts the Cardinals are now allowed to sign.

Very good thought.

It's possible that Foote thought he was going to earn a huge payday in Arizona, figuring the team was desperate to replace Dansby and were willing to franchise Dansby to the tune of over $17M the last two years. Not to say that Foote thought he's get that kind of money, but he probably was thinking he'd get somewhere between $4-5M a year.

I remember watching his interview during his visit and it was hard not to feel that the scenario was too good to be true. Foote was gushing about the Cardinals as his number one choice and that he was "begging" for this chance to join a winner. I think he was begging for the big contract, and the Cardinals had not planned making him one of their two BIG FA contracts, figuring they could easliy sign him under the $3.7M cutoff. My guess is that they offered him a deal similar to the one Rex Hadnot just received...somewhere in the neighborhood of 3/$9M with incentives.

The Steelers jumped in at $3.9M the first year and that was that.

Makes sense.

Meanwhile, the Cardinals were smart. They had their plan B in place, and were sure that they could acquire Paris Lenon to a deal under the $3.7M cutoff.

Feels good that our FO has a plan.

I am imagining too that Cardinals' LB coach Matt Raich had done his due diligence and had broken down a good deal of game tape on both Foote and Lenon and come to the conclusion that Lenon's value was similar to Foote's. The only sticking point is that Foote is familiar with the 3-4 and Lenon is not. But, hey, a good LB coach like Raich knows he can coach up a solid veteran like Lenon. BTW, Raich was the one who figured out Brett Favre's signals and helped design the master gameplan (an amoeba looking confusion plan) that they threw with great results at the Vikings.

I agree and I think that's why Lenon was signed quickly after Foote signed in Pit. Who knows, maybe Lenon is a rock star in the 3-4. How did you hear about coach Raich breaking the code on Favres signals?

Now this is where Joey Porter and Charlie Whitehurst come in. You see, these are the two BIG contracts (in excess of $3.7M/year) the Cardinals are arranging. At first they probably thought they could offer sub $3.7M money to Whitehurst, but when the Seahawks jumped into the picture the bidding most likely went up...which meant that the was no way they could offer Foote one of the big contracts.

I think that we will see Porter sign in the next couple of days. This is his best gig and he knows it. I am thinking he will get a 2 year $12M deal with $6M guaranteed and some sack total and playoffs incentives.

I was with you on this but then someone reminded us that Porter wouldn't count against the 2. I hope Whitehurst isn't gonna get that big of a contract but in Whis I trust.

The curious thing about Whitehurst is the delay. Did the Seahawks offer more money? Because if the money is equal, any young QB looking at an opportunity to play with the Cardinals must be licking his chops. Right now the same cannot be said about the Seahawks'. And really it's not all that close. Plus, having seen what Whiz did with Warner, if you were a young QB with all this potential, what coach would you want to play for?

Was thinking the exact same thing when I woke up this morning but then thought it was me justifying and rationalizing for Whitehurst to come here.

On a side note...imagine the headline if the Cardinals draft Rutgers' CB Devin McCourty..."The Cardinals have signed Lenon and McCourty." The gig is on! Like they wrote, "Tomorrow never knows"...

Jude Lacava sp is confirming this story shortly.
 

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Seriously? Did you just start following the Cardinals 6 months ago???

No but Mitch makes it sound like Whiz actually developed Warner when Warner was already an accomplished MVP with his name in the record books.

I don't get why based on that I should have any confidence that Whiz would turn Whitehurst into a potential MVP-type QB.
 

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No but Mitch makes it sound like Whiz actually developed Warner when Warner was already an accomplished MVP with his name in the record books.

I don't get why based on that I should have any confidence that Whiz would turn Whitehurst into a potential MVP-type QB.

Prior to two years ago Kurt Warner played for the Rams, Giants, and Cardinals and put together 5 straight years of craptastic ball where he was the always impressive combo of injury prone and a turnover machine.

Then in the latter half of 2007,Wiz and Haley put him on a tight leash, told him if he turned over the ball and held on to long he was sitting on the bench. This is why the great QB debate of 2008 went down to the wire. Wiz wasn't convinced Warner could do what was needed. But he gave him the chance and BOOM he took it and ran with it.

Then you look at Wiz's work with Big Ben (15-1 Rookie year, Super Bowl Year Two) and you start to realize the guy knows a thing or two about developing Quarterbacks.

Or maybe he's just been extremely lucky that both Big Ben and Warner "turned it on" when Wiz came around ;)

That doesn't mean we should get the bust of Charlie Whitehurst ready for Canton just yet, but it certainly helps that he's been handpicked and will get to follow up his Norv Turner tutelage with the great Wiz in his ear hole, no?
 
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No but Mitch makes it sound like Whiz actually developed Warner when Warner was already an accomplished MVP with his name in the record books.

I don't get why based on that I should have any confidence that Whiz would turn Whitehurst into a potential MVP-type QB.

He developed Ben Roethlisberger into a quarterback who won two Super Bowls.
 

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I'd like to see Whitehurst brought in but, if we're counting on Whiz to develope him, why are some discounting Whiz developing Leinart? Leinart, i think, is going to be good. Staying helathy may be a concern and a guy like Whitehurst will be good to step in. It may end up being like the old Redksin situation where Heath Shuler and Gus Frerrotte battled it out and the best guy won. Or should i say, the least worst guy won.
 

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I'd like to see Whitehurst brought in but, if we're counting on Whiz to develope him, why are some discounting Whiz developing Leinart? Leinart, i think, is going to be good. Staying helathy may be a concern and a guy like Whitehurst will be good to step in. It may end up being like the old Redksin situation where Heath Shuler and Gus Frerrotte battled it out and the best guy won. Or should i say, the least worst guy won.

I wonder about this too but Wiz is either A) Hedging his bets and giving himself multiple options at QB (which would be inline with his competition mantra) or B) really not convinced Matt has the tools he needs out of his Quarterback..

The thing I find really weird is all the reports are about Leinarts maturity and work ethic and yet I have to believe Wiz was part of the selection process that went to picking Big Ben back in the draft.

He's a waaay bigger knucklehead then Matt who is always fat. Where am I missing the link here?
 

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Bubkus. Lenon is nothing more than a backup/ST player. He will not be counted on to start at ILB, nor will he be a significant contributor on defense. Our insiders have told us as much.

You may be right about not signing Foote because of the 'final 8' rule, but we still have gaping holes at ILB.
 
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