Thoughts on Porter, FA and the Draft

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The signing of Joey Porter is a real boost to our defense from a psychological standpoint and from a production standpoint. Porter brings a swagger and ferocity that our defense needs. Now we have six players, IMO, who bring high-end energy, moxie and passion: Wilson, Dockett, Rhodes, Haggans, Campbell and Porter. With that many on board, others are bound to follow, especially now that we have a DB coach who insists on full-time aggression.

As for the rest of FA, I am still hoping that the Cardinals will sign another Steeler, NT/DE Nick Eason. His versatility would be a real plus. I haven't given up at all on Gabe Watson as the team's NT. He should be even stronger and in better shape this year and he will be in a contract year with much to prove. I also haven't given up on Alan Branch as a NT. I know he likes DE better, but he has the size and strength to be a first-rate NT who can kick out to DE when Watson or Eason is in the game.

I have debated this about the NT before and I stand by my convictions, to me when I coached offense I worried far more about handling an athletic, high-motor type NT than a wide-body plugger. With the wide-body plugger I didn't have to worry about him spoiling and blowing up plays in my backfield, and thus what I was always able to do with a wide-body plugger is stand him up with the guard and center and then release my guard to the second level. Against better athletes I could not count on doing that and I realized that I had to fully commit to the double team.

Arguably, the most dangerous NT in the NFC right now is The Cowboys' Jay Ratliff who is 6-4, 302. When teams have to worry about the combination of strength and quickness up the middle, combined with worrying about the Cowboys' sheer quickness off the edge, it presents major problems for opposing OCs.

This is why the player I am most intrigued with is Penn St.'s Jared Odrick. He's 6-5 1/8 and 301 pounds, and has very good strength and the kind of quick feet and hands that make it difficult for him to be blocked, even in double teams. You put his aggressiveness and combativeness next to Darnell Dockett and Calais Campbell and the interior of the Cardinals' line would be extraordinarily athletic and aggressive. Odrick does not settle for being blocked, he fights like a madman to get to the ball.

Watching Dan Williams...he's very strong at the point of attack, but once he's engaged he sinks his head and he doesn't fight with his hands or his leverage well or often enough to make enough plays on the ball, or rip his way into the backfield. He's a classic hole plugger. Terrence Cody is not nearly a strong and does not initiate contract off the snap the way Williams does. Instead he sits on his haunches to absorb the contact and simply tries to maintain his position, which at his weight he was very capable of doing in college. Occasionally, he will flash short area lateral ability, which at his size makes him an interesting prospect. But, forget about him getting into the backfield or getting even remotely close to the QB...unless a team find a way to get him in tip-top shape.

What will be interesting to see is whether the Cardinals will still take one of the top OLB/DEs at #26. The talent there may be too good to pass up, especially if the one 3-4 WILB who makes the most sense, Sean Weatherspoon is opff the board. It would be very hard to pass on players like Sergio Kindle, Jerry Hughes, or Carlos Dunlap.

What about a CB at #26? Kyle Wilson, Devin McCourty, or Kareem Jackson have tremendous upside...and could be great assets as return men annd STs. My guess is that the Cardinals have other CBs they are looking at for later picks (such as Chris Cook, Dominque Franks, Amari Spivey, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah and Javier Arenas) and that they won't use the #26 on a CB.

If LB Sean Weatherspoon is taken before #26, it actually might present a possiblitity to trade down, if the player the Cardinals want most, say ILB Sean Lee of Penn. St., could be had a few picks later. Lee is looking more and more like a top 50 pick, which puts the Cardinals in a tough spot. It's a reach to take him at #26, but unless they trade down that may be their only chance to take him.

At #58 there will likely still be some good ILB candidates such as Daryl Washington of TCU, Donald Butler of Washington and possibly Brandon Spikes of Florida.

With the two 3rd rounders I was thinking a WR like Eric Decker (Minnesota) and a CB/S like Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (Indiana, PA)...or, more likely...WR Damian Williams (USC) and CB Javier Arenas (Alabama)...Williams plays with talent, aggression and discipline and despite being a junior is NFL ready, and Arenas is one tough cookie who can be the nickel back and punt returner deluxe.

In the 4th round, I think this is where the Cardinals take their QB...either John Skelton, Jarrett Brown, Levi Brown or Mike Kafka. As you know i like Kafka the best and the Cardinals' QB coach Mike Miller was in attendance at his Pro Day, which was impressive enough to garner an article on NFL.com.

Skelton has the big arm and needs to work on his touch. There are questions as to whether he is a take charge type, as well. But the arm is big.

Jarrett Brown looks a lot like David Garrard. He has that nice snappy over the top quick release.

And Levi Brown has been kind of flying under the radar because he played in a spread offense. But this kid has an excellent release and is very smart and competitive.
 
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good write-up. It's getting hard to nail down the postion the Cards address at 26, much less the player. The only ILB ,to me,that is worthy of a 1st round pick is McClain. But guys like Washington, Butler, Spikes, and Lee may all be gone by time round 2 rolls around. You can say the same thing about Cody,Gronkowski, and maybe Gresham. I don't like the idea of reaching in round 1 but the Cards may have to based on the glaring hole at ILB. I'm all for doing what it takes to get McClain,which may be to just sit there at 26 ;).
 

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I wouldn't mind trading down but it has to be before Kansas City at #5 so we can snag Cody.

Alan Branch = Jared Odick. Jay Ratliff plays in the middle of two gap DEs, completely different scheme.
 

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Good write up Mitch.

Very interesting draft for us this year. It could go any number of ways. I think you laid out some options to think about.

Seems you are high on Odrick. Does anyone else know about him? I think there are some Penn St. guys around that watch their games.
 

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Good stuff!

Re: NT... if we get one who in tandem with Watson can clog up the running lanes, and shorten the pocket, I'll be content.

On obvious passing downs, we have our Jay Ratliff (Darnell Dockett) and with Campbell and Branch the ability to pressure with three. Add a Porter on the outside, and we can give an "O" fits.
 

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http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Jared-Odrick.php

Jared Odrick Height: 6-5 | Weight: 304 | 40-Time: 5.06
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Strengths:
Great size with a long frame --- Very good athlete --- Terrific speed and quickness --- Really fires off the snap --- Strong and powerful --- Active with a non-stop motor --- Does a nice job in pursuit --- Has a burst to close --- Uses his hands well --- Able to penetrate, get upfield and can collapse the pocket --- Aggressive --- Competitive --- Smart with superb instincts and awareness --- Hard worker --- Some schematic versatility.

Weaknesses:
Doesn't always play with proper leverage --- Not very agile and doesn't move well laterally --- Is not overly stout at the point of attack --- Feet go dead at times --- Gets neutralized by double-teams --- Has trouble getting off blocks once engaged --- Relatively average production and did not make a lot of impact plays --- Some minor durability concerns.

Notes:
Last name is pronounced "ODD-rick" --- Was a three-year starter for the Nittany Lions --- Earned All-American honors in 2009 --- Named 1st Team All-Big Ten in 2008 and 2009 --- The Big Ten Defensive Player and Defensive Lineman of the Year as a senior --- Season was cut short by a broken hand and ankle in '07 --- The type who does everything well but nothing great --- Could project to either defensive tackle (three-technique) in a 4-3 or defensive end (five-technique) in a 3-4 --- Not particularly flashy but offers a nice mix of physical tools and intangibles.
 

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I remain a "best guy on board" advocate, and we can't be sure who'll drop to us.

Quite possibly we could wind up with our choice of a couple of corners (Wilson, McCourty) plus a couple of high quality DE/LB types (Kindle, Hughes) or a safety/cb combo guy like Chris Cook. (Or a draft-surprise like Taylor Mays dropping to us). And, while interior linemen seldom go higher in the 1st round, occasionally a team in the latter part of the round will draft a highly ranked center or guard (I'm thinking Iupati or Pouncey)

It will depend on how our board stacks and who, if any, drops to us. My guess - there will be 4 or 5 guys closely enough rated for us to match a player with a need.
 

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Good write up Mitch.

Very interesting draft for us this year. It could go any number of ways. I think you laid out some options to think about.

Seems you are high on Odrick. Does anyone else know about him? I think there are some Penn St. guys around that watch their games.

On the NFL Network, most the gurus have him off the board near the end of round one.
 

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Nice write up Mitch. Now that we have Porter, we really can go best player at #26 and it most likely would be defense as this draft is deep in defensive talent. I would like Weatherspoon if he is there when we pick.
 

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I'm on board with most of what you posted here WMitch, nice write up.

If like you say Weatherspoon is off the board and Odrick is there, I run to the podium. The combinations on the DL would be awsome and he'd create plenty of havoc.

Sean Lee in the 2nd, I'm down with that, or a good solid cover corner w/ toughness.

I'm not sold on mt. Cody one bit (esp. anywhere in the 1st round) by any stretch and like you commented Dan Williams even has plety of questions about his game as a mtl 1st rounder.

These two guys have some intruiging possibilities as 3rd rounders:

Walters Football 2010

Linval Joseph, East Carolina
Height: 6-4. Weight: 328.
Projected 40 Time: 5.27.
Combine 40 Time: 5.09.
Benchx225: 39. Vertical: .
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
3/2/10: I know 40 times don't mean much for nose tackles, but a 5.09 at 328 pounds is damn impressive. Also, 39 reps shows that Joseph is in good shape.

1/24/10: Linval Joseph has declared for the 2010 NFL Draft. Joseph had 60 tackles, 13 TFL and three sacks as a junior.


Torrell Troup, Central Florida
Height: 6-3. Weight: 314.
Projected 40 Time: 5.34.
Combine 40 Time: 5.10.
Benchx225: 34. Vertical: .
Projected Round (2010): 3-4.
1/24/10: A member of the All-Conference USA Second Team, Torrell Troup has moved into the No. 3 nose tackle slot behind Dan Williams and Terrence Cody. Troup dominated the opposition during East-West Shrine practices.

11/28/09: Has 27 tackles, five TFL and two sacks in 11 games. Some 3-4 team needing nose tackle depth will take him late.

2/14/09: A member of the All-Conference USA Second Team, Torrell Troup registered 52 tackles, 12.5 TFL and two sacks.
 

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Good thoughts Mitch. I really hope we stay true to our board BPA at #26.

1) I sooooooo hope McClain falls to #26 as Cbus seems to think because it would fill a major hole on our D

2) If McClain & Weatherspoon are gone (which I think they will be) looking past a speedy OLB such as Hughes or Graham (if available) would be a mistake despite the addition of Porter. Haven't we seen this the past few seasons with our lackluster OLB play? We have a stockpile of unknowns after Haggans & Porter

3) I hope we don't select Cody at #26 because I feel he will eat himself out of the league

4) If I'm picking a guy for the middle of our Dline it's Odrick

5) would love to have another "small school" CB with something to prove in Owusu-Ansah but feel we will have to trade up in the 3rd to get him

6) Levi Brown, QB Troy Luv him!!!
 

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Ratliff can't deal with double teams though, he is the exception as a far as a nose tackle. He can penetrate and blow stuff up but he has a real problem holding ground against a double....this is the same thing I see with Dan Williams. I see Dan Williams as a 4-3 NT who doesn't have the strength or technique to play the 3-4 Nose.
 

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Also, as far as the QBs you mentioned, Jarrett Brown is my favorite by far. He can make a ton of throws, has a good arm, is very strong, and can run. I would love it if we took him in the 4th.
 

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Ratliff can't deal with double teams though, he is the exception as a far as a nose tackle. He can penetrate and blow stuff up but he has a real problem holding ground against a double....this is the same thing I see with Dan Williams. I see Dan Williams as a 4-3 NT who doesn't have the strength or technique to play the 3-4 Nose.

If we could get a Ratliff type player on our D :shock:
Could you imagine the disaster DD & CC could create on opponents D? Oh my!!!
 

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These two guys have some intruiging possibilities as 3rd rounders:

Linval Joseph is Branch part 2. Meaning he is not a NT. He is a DT or a DE IMO. Just doesnt have or play with a NT ability or mentality. Again Just like Branch.

Troup is another story. Dude is a spark plug. High energy and always working, which is unusual for a 315 pound dude.

Another Cam Thomas is a wild card. Never really got a shot to shine with North Carolina because of limited playing time. Not because of ability per say but because that team has a hugely deep DL rotation.

I don't see many traditional NT types in this years draft to be honest.

1. Terrance Cody
2. Dan Williams
3. Torrell Troupe
4. Cam Thomas

Wild Card Late rounder - Aleric Mullins (Cam Thomas Teammate)

Besides a bunch of undrafted types that's pretty much it IMO. Unless you want to go the shoot the gaps NT type Mitch is talking about that some teams use, but I am not sure that is what this coaching staff and scheme are looking for. If it is what the Cards are looking for then two shorter squaty power house types could be added to the list - Brian Price and Jeff Owens (personal fav by the way),
 

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If we could get a Ratliff type player on our D :shock:
Could you imagine the disaster DD & CC could create on opponents D? Oh my!!!

My point was that Ratliff would be nice and he makes a lot of plays, but he also gets single-teamed a ton which would kill the production of CC and DD as they would see a lot more double-teams than they did last year. I want a guy in the middle who can bull-rush and who can consistently command a double team.
 

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We have a stockpile of unknowns after Haggans & Porter

Yo can never have to many good OLB's in your 3-4 D, but I got to play devils advocate here.

Wouldnt drafting yet another rookie just be adding to that stockpile of unknowns?
 

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Also, as far as the QBs you mentioned, Jarrett Brown is my favorite by far. He can make a ton of throws, has a good arm, is very strong, and can run. I would love it if we took him in the 4th.

Mine as well, but dude has got to get more football smart. Has all the tools but you need to lock him in a room with the QB coach from the time you draft him to the time training camp starts.
 

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My point was that Ratliff would be nice and he makes a lot of plays, but he also gets single-teamed a ton which would kill the production of CC and DD as they would see a lot more double-teams than they did last year. I want a guy in the middle who can bull-rush and who can consistently command a double team.

They did pretty well with Watson & Robinson in the middle last year. Again adding an athletic NT would cause more problems in my book. The Cowpies DE's (Spears & Olshansky) are pluggers & aren't near the pass rushers CC & DD are.
 

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Mine as well, but dude has got to get more football smart. Has all the tools but you need to lock him in a room with the QB coach from the time you draft him to the time training camp starts.
I like this guy also. Have read about the big arm and the talent. If he is willing to do the mental work that a NFL QB needs then he could be a real good project for us.
 

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Mine as well, but dude has got to get more football smart. Has all the tools but you need to lock him in a room with the QB coach from the time you draft him to the time training camp starts.

I think the situation here would be close to ideal. He would come in as the 3rd QB and get at least a year in that spot and then could compete for the #2 job next year depending on what we do with Matt. I can't see Anderson or Leinart "mentoring" him though, but take that for what it's worth. I think he will be a better pro than Pat White and is more pro ready than White was coming out.
 

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They did pretty well with Watson & Robinson in the middle last year. Again adding an athletic NT would cause more problems in my book. The Cowpies DE's (Spears & Olshansky) are pluggers & aren't near the pass rushers CC & DD are.

The Cowboys run a very different scheme from ours in that manner, which is why Ratliff works. If Ratliff were here, he would probably get kicked out to DE. If we put a small penetrating tackle at our nose spot, I really feel it would be disastrous. Sorry, if your post was agreeing with mine, the second sentence was a bit ambiguous.
 

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Yo can never have to many good OLB's in your 3-4 D, but I got to play devils advocate here.

Wouldnt drafting yet another rookie just be adding to that stockpile of unknowns?

maybe so Joe:D

I just hope they stay true to their board. How true was it that Brown's hand injury could be career threatning? Just a thought...
 

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Troup is another story. Dude is a spark plug. High energy and always working, which is unusual for a 315 pound dude.
You think he makes it anywhere near us in the 3rd? Otherwise a trade up?


Another Cam Thomas is a wild card. Never really got a shot to shine with North Carolina because of limited playing time. Not because of ability per say but because that team has a hugely deep DL rotation.
He's another big boy. But I wouldn't use a 2nd on him. Too much real talent there mtl.

Besides a bunch of undrafted types that's pretty much it IMO. Unless you want to go the shoot the gaps NT type Mitch is talking about that some teams use, but I am not sure that is what this coaching staff and scheme are looking for. If it is what the Cards are looking for then two shorter squaty power house types could be added to the list - Brian Price and Jeff Owens (personal fav by the way)

What's your take on Price? I keep hearing him as prototypical 4-3 DT. He'd be a good substitute on passing downs at the nose however, mtl. Rotate him with Watson.

Owens?

Also, you listed some OLB's that you liked during the course of the college season. Who impressed you then?
 
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