Thoughts on this draft...

[Cheesebeef]

I don't think Ennis has signed with the Suns unless I missed it. Do you mean there no trade value for him due to his poor play? I think he still technically could be traded for something minimal like a second round pick.

If that's what they get for him, it's pretty pathetic. Admitting complete failure on a mid first rounder in a deep draft after a month doesn't say much for our draft scouting.

 

[Mainstreet]

If that's what they get for him, it's pretty pathetic. Admitting complete failure on a mid first rounder in a deep draft after a month doesn't say much for our draft scouting.

I just had a Kendall Marshall flashback. I think I will recover. Still Ennis did not do much to separate himself from Marshall in summer league when others made the comparison. In the recesses of my mind, I hope the Suns were not trying to get cute when they drafted him thinking Toronto had interest.

 

[Phrazbit]

This is so silly. I dont think any team would change their evaluation on Ennis based on some summer league games (where he wasnt even that bad in the first place). Questions about whether his contract will hurt, if he is worth a 2nd round pick?

I expect some of this extremely over the top reactionary non-sense on other boards but this place usually above it.

The summer league is trash. Expecting to evaluate a pass first point guard based on his play with a bunch of guys who he literally just met and are all trying to show off their own individual skills... seriously... its just dumb.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Yes, that's what I meant, specifically with respect to Toronto paying a high price for him.



I assume the Suns can trade his rights -- I don't know why they couldn't -- but if they have to dump him for a second-round pick, that would be a horrible concession. Better to wait and see whether he can find his game.

LMAO Are you guys on crack? Are you SERIOUSLY discussing trading the #18 pick for a 2nd rounder after 4 Summer league games?

Step away from the ledge Mainstreet and E. You are both giving dudes on a message board a bad name.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

If that's what they get for him, it's pretty pathetic. Admitting complete failure on a mid first rounder in a deep draft after a month doesn't say much for our draft scouting.

Cheesey-babyyyy please deal in reality here. This is Message Board fan boy ruminating like a 13 year old in class. There is no conversation/thought/creedence of this line of thinking of ANYONE in the Suns FO or even reasonable fans and thus no type of indictment of the organization or its scouting.

Lets be real here and not spend time opining on bats---- crazy topics. Its like me saying "Well if they trade Goran Dragic for a bag of basketballs, Im really going to start to question if McDonough knows what he is doing...." Yeah no duh.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

This is so silly. I dont think any team would change their evaluation on Ennis based on some summer league games (where he wasnt even that bad in the first place). Questions about whether his contract will hurt, if he is worth a 2nd round pick?

I expect some of this extremely over the top reactionary non-sense on other boards but this place usually above it.

The summer league is trash. Expecting to evaluate a pass first point guard based on his play with a bunch of guys who he literally just met and are all trying to show off their own individual skills... seriously... its just dumb.

Thank You.

 

[Mainstreet]

This is so silly. I dont think any team would change their evaluation on Ennis based on some summer league games (where he wasnt even that bad in the first place). Questions about whether his contract will hurt, if he is worth a 2nd round pick?

I expect some of this extremely over the top reactionary non-sense on other boards but this place usually above it.

The summer league is trash. Expecting to evaluate a pass first point guard based on his play with a bunch of guys who he literally just met and are all trying to show off their own individual skills... seriously... its just dumb.

It was said in a moment of frustration after observing Ennis' inability to score at the rim or shoot the ball. Also Ennis did not even pass the ball well.

In regard to summer league it is trash. I don't know why it is played anymore if coaching is not involved. Players can get hurt in a disorganized fashion.

 

[Mainstreet]

Cheesey-babyyyy please deal in reality here. This is Message Board fan boy ruminating like a 13 year old in class. There is no conversation/thought/creedence of this line of thinking of ANYONE in the Suns FO or even reasonable fans and thus no type of indictment of the organization or its scouting.

Lets be real here and not spend time opining on bats---- crazy topics. Its like me saying "Well if they trade Goran Dragic for a bag of basketballs, Im really going to start to question if McDonough knows what he is doing...." Yeah no duh.

You have a smart mouth. I hope the Sun devils wash it out for you in football.

 

[Superbone]

It was said in a moment of frustration after observing Ennis' inability to score at the rim or shoot the ball. Also Ennis did not even pass the ball well.

In regard to summer league it is trash. I don't know why it is played anymore if coaching is not involved. Players can get hurt in a disorganized fashion.

I think it showered an unfavorable light on assistant coach Longabardi. Hornacek's team was much more organized last year.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think it showered an unfavorable light on assistant coach Longabardi. Hornacek's team was much more organized last year.

I've watched summer league for many years and this is the most disorganized I've seen the Suns. IMO, it does indeed put coach Longabardi in a bad light. I would not want players to learn bad habits, especially the draft picks. Jeff Hornacek's team was indeed coached last summer.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think it showered an unfavorable light on assistant coach Longabardi. Hornacek's team was much more organized last year.

I've watched summer league for many years and this is the most disorganized I've seen the Suns. IMO, it does indeed put coach Longabardi in a bad light. I would not want players to learn bad habits, especially the draft picks. Jeff Hornacek's team was indeed coached last summer.

Jeff had more talent available to him. The Morris twins of last summer were further along than any player on our roster this year. Goodwin was given a long leash and he ran wild. We only had three centers and none of them were available for the only game we really looked horrible in. This just wasn't a good squad. Maybe some of it is Mike's fault, I really don't know but I don't think anyone would have done much better with this roster against Dallas.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is so silly. I dont think any team would change their evaluation on Ennis based on some summer league games (where he wasnt even that bad in the first place). Questions about whether his contract will hurt, if he is worth a 2nd round pick?

I expect some of this extremely over the top reactionary non-sense on other boards but this place usually above it.

The summer league is trash. Expecting to evaluate a pass first point guard based on his play with a bunch of guys who he literally just met and are all trying to show off their own individual skills... seriously... its just dumb.

This. Can't believe I am agreeing with Phrazbit. When you first came on this board, I nearly put you on ignore. Must have been just that one issue, whatever it was at the time. Don't remember.

Anyway. This. I agree.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This. Can't believe I am agreeing with Phrazbit. When you first came on this board, I nearly put you on ignore. Must have been just that one issue, whatever it was at the time. Don't remember.

Anyway. This. I agree.

I think it might have been two issues. He did beat a dead horse. But to be fair, both horses deserved to be beaten, and beaten soundly. It was Kolb followed by Beasley IIRC. He was the first to rail against each of them repeatedly. Some of us had doubts; he didn't. He was right.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

Step away from the ledge Mainstreet and E. You are both giving dudes on a message board a bad name.

Why don't you try reading what I actually wrote? I was saying the Suns should hang onto him even if they thought his value had sunk that low.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think it might have been two issues. He did beat a dead horse. But to be fair, both horses deserved to be beaten, and beaten soundly. It was Kolb followed by Beasley IIRC. He was the first to rail against each of them repeatedly. Some of us had doubts; he didn't. He was right.

Steve

Yeah. I was probably a bit too abrasive on both of those topics, at least more than a new poster has a right to be. More so on Kolb (I should probably change my avatar at some point), I thought he flat out sucked but at least it was the move of a team attempting to fix a serious problem. As for Sleazley, I will go ahead and continue the rhetoric:

Its his fault Miami lost the finals and lost LeBron. His aura of suck is knows no bounds.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah. I was probably a bit too abrasive on both of those topics, at least more than a new poster has a right to be. More so on Kolb (I should probably change my avatar at some point), I thought he flat out sucked but at least it was the move of a team attempting to fix a serious problem. As for Sleazley, I will go ahead and continue the rhetoric:

Its his fault Miami lost the finals and lost LeBron. His aura of suck is knows no bounds.

Actually I didn't think you were abrasive at all, just very, very focused. As for Beasley, now that James is gone it will be his turn to shine. Somewhere, someone is convincing themselves of that as we speak.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

I think it might have been two issues. He did beat a dead horse. But to be fair, both horses deserved to be beaten, and beaten soundly. It was Kolb followed by Beasley IIRC. He was the first to rail against each of them repeatedly. Some of us had doubts; he didn't. He was right.

Steve

And he's been borderline doing the same thing to Len, so lets hope he's wrong there.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You have a smart mouth. I hope the Sun Devils wash it out for you in football.

They are more likely to wash my hands. Like when I leave the bathroom at a nice restaurant and they hand me a towel. I'll update you if anyone says "Fork Em" as I hand them a wadded up dollar bill....

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Why don't you try reading what I actually wrote? I was saying the Suns should hang onto him even if they thought his value had sunk that low.

It's just a crazy topic all together. OF COURSE they should hang on to him after 4 ok Summer League games. It's not like he killed a hooker In Vegas this past week, did he? Then we can talk about trading him for nothing...

 

[devilalum]

Ennis was the star PG for the best team in one of the best conferences in the country.

Oh yeah, in games that actually count for something.

 

[elindholm]

It's just a crazy topic all together. OF COURSE they should hang on to him after 4 ok Summer League games. It's not like he killed a hooker In Vegas this past week, did he? Then we can talk about trading him for nothing...

I realize you have the unique degree of insight that qualifies you to dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't agree with yours, but the rest of us endure the courtesy of joining conversations on their own terms.

 

[mojorizen7]

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I realize you have the unique degree of insight that qualifies you to dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't agree with yours, but the rest of us endure the courtesy of joining conversations on their own terms.

I guess people go on message boards as the crave interaction - any interaction - so is that they will discuss fantasy scenarios devoid of reality.

As someone already stated no way in hell has Ennis "trade value" decreased based on 4 average Summer League games. If Toronto wanted him before, they still want him now - and maybe even moreso. Not only is the entire premise of what you are discussing faulty (the Suns aren't ready to trade Ennis, can't right now even if they wanted too, and even if they could would get value for him) but your argument of "should have traded him before maybe we get a 2nd now" is ignorant in its own right. Assuming the premise is worth discussing. Which others besides me have pointed the topic is at best premature and at worst complete and utter mental masterbaution.

Why don't I start a thread called "Purple Unicorns and Chocolate Popcorn" and you can writea 10 paragraph post in their pontificating about nonsense and then the rest of us can know not to go in that thread and waste our time reading it?

 

[elindholm]

but your argument of "should have traded him before maybe we get a 2nd now" is ignorant in its own right.

But I didn't say that. Talk about "ignorant." Seriously, go back and pay attention to who said what. Unbelievable. You really should be embarrassed.

 

[TJ]

They are more likely to wash my hands. Like when I leave the bathroom at a nice restaurant and they hand me a towel. I'll update you if anyone says "Fork Em" as I hand them a wadded up dollar bill....

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