Time of Death 5:33 pm 7/06/07

[devilalum]

The Dbacks are done. They will not even sniff first place again this year.

I'd LOVE to be wrong but this team is cooked. They have no confidence and the pitching has finally given out. They rolled the dice on RJ and lost, Davis is not strong and the league has figured out Owings.

Just like we all thought the lack of any powere in the middle of the lineup means that most nights the Dbacks only hope is a pitchers duel and we just don't have the guns to play that game.

 

[Nasser22]

They just hit a rough spot.... I'd wait on it a little bit...let them have their break and we'll see. If they don't come back and win this series though, I'll be very sad. Even if they are done they should beat this poopy team.

 

[ajcardfan]

They are playing so bad, it's hard to remember that they are only 2 and 1/2 games back. They've looked like a last place team on this road trip.

 

[Phxchris1989]

Every year now for the past three years, they start out promising but crap out over the summer. God, it's frustrating. The '06 season seemed like a sure post season trip, sweeping the Braves in 4 games in Atlanta, only to come back home and go 4-20 in June. This year we avoided June, only to crap out in July.

 

[Espo]

Hopefully this team makes a deal for a hard hitting outfielder. If they got an offensive weapon they would be alright.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Who though? That's the question.

It isn't as simple as waving the proverbial magic wand and saying "PRESTO-- HERE'S ALBERT PUJOLS FOR YOUR LINEUP".

Noone's bitched louder about Arizona's lack of a true force in the 3-4 hole more than I have. In fact, I've been griping about this very thing since the day Troy Glaus was put on the market, when so many of you wanted him gone.

The two names that are most mentioned as being available are Teixeria and Dunn.. I've already said my piece on Teixeria,I really don't think it's worth sacrificing the future for a two or three month rental player. If they got some kind of iron clad guarantee that he'd re-sign, I'd be all in favor of him. However, I really don't see him agreeing to such stipulations. As for Dunn, I'd be more inclined, but he's an all or nothing type player, in the mold of a Troy Glaus, who as I recall everyone practically was ready to get rid of the guy.

Quiet rumblings are that the Marlins could trade Miguel Cabrera, but I'd be willing to almost guarantee they'd ask for Upton and Carlos Gonzalez just to start.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Who though? That's the question.

It isn't as simple as waving the proverbial magic wand and saying "PRESTO-- HERE'S ALBERT PUJOLS FOR YOUR LINEUP".

Noone's bitched louder about Arizona's lack of a true force in the 3-4 hole more than I have. In fact, I've been griping about this very thing since the day Troy Glaus was put on the market, when so many of you wanted him gone.

The two names that are most mentioned as being available are Teixeria and Dunn.. I've already said my piece on Teixeria,I really don't think it's worth sacrificing the future for a two or three month rental player. If they got some kind of iron clad guarantee that he'd re-sign, I'd be all in favor of him. However, I really don't see him agreeing to such stipulations. As for Dunn, I'd be more inclined, but he's an all or nothing type player, in the mold of a Troy Glaus, who as I recall everyone practically was ready to get rid of the guy.

Quiet rumblings are that the Marlins could trade Miguel Cabrera, but I'd be willing to almost guarantee they'd ask for Upton and Carlos Gonzalez just to start.

I don't know Jay... I've been screaming to send down Quentin and claiming that Young is not what people want him to be for months now...
But truth is, there really isn't anyone out there worth taking a shot at. I am hearing Abreu's name pop up more and more, but that would require letting go of pitching - the D-Backs best asset and Abreu ain't worth it... As a Yankee fan, I of course would love to see it, but I am a D-Backs fan as well and it would be a BIG mistake...
I really hope there are other young prospects in the system beyond Quentin and Young...

 

[Matt L]

Who though? That's the question.

It isn't as simple as waving the proverbial magic wand and saying "PRESTO-- HERE'S ALBERT PUJOLS FOR YOUR LINEUP".

Noone's bitched louder about Arizona's lack of a true force in the 3-4 hole more than I have. In fact, I've been griping about this very thing since the day Troy Glaus was put on the market, when so many of you wanted him gone.

The two names that are most mentioned as being available are Teixeria and Dunn.. I've already said my piece on Teixeria,I really don't think it's worth sacrificing the future for a two or three month rental player. If they got some kind of iron clad guarantee that he'd re-sign, I'd be all in favor of him. However, I really don't see him agreeing to such stipulations. As for Dunn, I'd be more inclined, but he's an all or nothing type player, in the mold of a Troy Glaus, who as I recall everyone practically was ready to get rid of the guy.

Quiet rumblings are that the Marlins could trade Miguel Cabrera, but I'd be willing to almost guarantee they'd ask for Upton and Carlos Gonzalez just to start.

If Cabrera is on the market, I say take himeven if you have to give up Carlos Gonzalez or Upton

 

[Gee!]

If Cabrera is on the market, I say take himeven if you have to give up Carlos Gonzalez or Upton

nooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Nasser22]

I don't know Jay... I've been screaming to send down Quentin and claiming that Young is not what people want him to be for months now...
But truth is, there really isn't anyone out there worth taking a shot at. I am hearing Abreu's name pop up more and more, but that would require letting go of pitching - the D-Backs best asset and Abreu ain't worth it... As a Yankee fan, I of course would love to see it, but I am a D-Backs fan as well and it would be a BIG mistake...
I really hope there are other young prospects in the system beyond Quentin and Young...

Young has shown 3 1/2 of his 5 tools in the 1st half of his rookie year. I'm okay with that. Rookies require patience. I think he will be a good ball player. Quentin I'm a little worried about, but maybe it's his shoulder or he just needs to make a little change so I'll wait on him a bit too.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

nooooooooooooooooooo

I'm with Gee - the two guys who are untouchable to me (and ironically they play the same position) are Upton and Young. Everyone else can be had for a guy like Cabrera.

I would have a hard time giving up Drew - but for Cabrera? I would seriously consider it.

How about a Quentin, Gonzalez, Owings, and Montero package. Thats got to be at least enticing to them, right???

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I don't know Jay... I've been screaming to send down Quentin and claiming that Young is not what people want him to be for months now...
But truth is, there really isn't anyone out there worth taking a shot at. I am hearing Abreu's name pop up more and more, but that would require letting go of pitching - the D-Backs best asset and Abreu ain't worth it... As a Yankee fan, I of course would love to see it, but I am a D-Backs fan as well and it would be a BIG mistake...
I really hope there are other young prospects in the system beyond Quentin and Young...

I think you are waay wrong on Young. I have been happy with the power and defense he has shown for a kid that young (no pun intended). He at least has shown the skills to develop into a prime time player. I am a big fan of his.

 

[Dback Jon]

How about a Quentin, Gonzalez, Owings, and Montero package. Thats got to be at least enticing to them, right???

No, absolutely NOT on Owings. Decent pitching - you hang onto at all costs. That type of Package you are suggesting, you could get a player ten times better than Cabrera.

 

[Nasser22]

I agree with not giving up Owings. We need to keep him around. He's a pretty good young pitcher and I don't think we have enough good pitching prospects to replace him as well as DD, Livan and Johnson in a couple years.

 

[green machine]

This team is more then a bat away from being good. They need a couple bats, consistent starting pitching, and a competent manager. If they can get all that then they'll be fine.

 

[devilalum]

This team is more then a bat away from being good. They need a couple bats, consistent starting pitching, and a competent manager. If they can get all that then they'll be fine.

I was thinking the same thing. They're not in a situation where they're one player away and they don't have the money to resign any big named talent anyway.

A lot of pre-season articles had the Dbacks starting slow and picking up speed in July and August when the young players had some games under their belt. I don't think its gonna happen this year.

 

[BC867]

A lot of pre-season articles had the Dbacks starting slow and picking up speed in July and August when the young players had some games under their belt. I don't think its gonna happen this year.

Certainly not if they come to the ballpark each day not knowing if they're a starting player or bench player; what position they're playing; where they're batting; who's hitting ahead of them and behind them.

"How to rip the confidence from a young player" by Bobblehead Melvin.

 

[Espo]

This team is more then a bat away from being good. They need a couple bats, consistent starting pitching, and a competent manager. If they can get all that then they'll be fine.

If you get a solid power hitter for the 4 spot in the line-up it will solve a majority of the issues on this team. They will have more of a set line up because Melvin won't have to keep shuffling to try and find the hot bat to put in the 4 hole. With a more consistent lineup then the younger guys can settle in. They have underachieved in the first half of the season and this team is still 4 games above .500. The pitching would be fine if the offense could pick things. You can't score 2 runs and leave 6 or more guys in scoring position and expect your starters to win. A bat would certainly make this a good team. Getting a bat and getting rid of Melvin would probably make this a great team jk.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

No, absolutely NOT on Owings. Decent pitching - you hang onto at all costs. That type of Package you are suggesting, you could get a player ten times better than Cabrera.

The million dollar question then again looms Jon..

Who?

Cabrera's got 121 homers, a career batting average of .312 and he's got 462 RBIs in 3 and 1/2 seasons playing on one of the worst offensive teams in baseball. Oh, by the way? He's only 23 years old.

Sorry, but I can't think of too many other players that logically could be had at this point who are better than Cabrera.

As for the idea, although it's not a bad one at all, I am almost 100 percent certain the Marlins would begin and end their package with Arizona trading one of the two CF. That team is hurting hardcore for a CF and a leadoff man.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I don't know Jay... I've been screaming to send down Quentin and claiming that Young is not what people want him to be for months now...
But truth is, there really isn't anyone out there worth taking a shot at. I am hearing Abreu's name pop up more and more, but that would require letting go of pitching - the D-Backs best asset and Abreu ain't worth it... As a Yankee fan, I of course would love to see it, but I am a D-Backs fan as well and it would be a BIG mistake...

Joe,

Say no to Abreu at all costs, unless the Yanks are willing to take at best a mid level prospect and eat some contract along the way.

Agreed on all accounts, it'd be a huge mistake.

Now, if you all believe rumors, Houston has put everyone with the exception of Hunter Pence on the open market, including Lance Berkman. That's a name that interests me, despite the fact that he's 30.

 

[Dback Jon]

No way do we trade Owings. You don't trade pitching prospects like Owings, Capuano, etc.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

The million dollar question then again looms Jon..

Who?

Cabrera's got 121 homers, a career batting average of .312 and he's got 462 RBIs in 3 and 1/2 seasons playing on one of the worst offensive teams in baseball. Oh, by the way? He's only 23 years old.

Sorry, but I can't think of too many other players that logically could be had at this point who are better than Cabrera.

As for the idea, although it's not a bad one at all, I am almost 100 percent certain the Marlins would begin and end their package with Arizona trading one of the two CF. That team is hurting hardcore for a CF and a leadoff man.

I mean seriously. I dont think Babe Ruth in his prime was ten times the player Cabrera is and will be. Cabrera is Albert Pujols he just doesn't get the love because his team sucks and gets no exposure.

If you can get cabrera you do it at all costs. I can't name five young players i would rather have in fact.

 

[devilalum]

The million dollar question then again looms Jon..

Who?

Cabrera's got 121 homers, a career batting average of .312 and he's got 462 RBIs in 3 and 1/2 seasons playing on one of the worst offensive teams in baseball. Oh, by the way? He's only 23 years old.

Sorry, but I can't think of too many other players that logically could be had at this point who are better than Cabrera.

As for the idea, although it's not a bad one at all, I am almost 100 percent certain the Marlins would begin and end their package with Arizona trading one of the two CF. That team is hurting hardcore for a CF and a leadoff man.

The Dbacks just don't have the $100 million it will take to resign him.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

As much as I like Miguel Cabrera, he seems to be eating himself into being a DH.

 

[82CardsGrad]

As much as I like Miguel Cabrera, he seems to be eating himself into being a DH.

I might be wrong, but I see Cabrera being a guy who will put up better than average offensive numbers for the next 3-4 years, and then slowly but steadily slide downward from that point forward. It's tempting to go after the kid, but if he never wore a D-back Jersey I'd be way OK with that...