Time to totally fire this coaching staff

[oaken1]

BA is the best coach we've had since they've moved to Az & Keim is the best GM we've had. They are probably in the top 10 in the league at their respective positions but you still want to get rid of them for unknown quantities.

The KNOWN quantity has been on display on the field for the past 22 games

 

[cardncubfan]

The KNOWN quantity has been on display on the field for the past 22 games

It's actually since 2013 but whatever. He's 50-25-1. Not a bad coach by any means.

 

[cardncubfan]

The KNOWN quantity has been on display on the field for the past 22 games

If we were to hire a new coach & you knew he would have a 50-25 record with the Cards you would be elated. I think.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

If we were to hire a new coach & you knew he would have a 50-25 record with the Cards you would be elated. I think.

The devil you know is better than the devil you don't..... But I'm sick of his loyalty to garbage coaches, and his completely predictable play calling...Hire a decent OC (and let him call plays) and ST coach... Then I'll be willing to show a little more patience.

 

[football karma]

I dunno

Firing a head coach is so disruptive. New system that takes different kinds of players, etc.

The team has the worst offensive line in the league paired with below avg running backs, and an immobile pocket QB. Do we really think the problem is scheme?

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I dunno

Firing a head coach is so disruptive. New system that takes different kinds of players, etc.

The team has the worst offensive line in the league paired with below avg running backs, and an immobile pocket QB. Do we really think the problem is scheme?

Yes....

Arians does little to nothing to alleviate a pass rush vs his crappy line.. I gave him props for running more than a few screens last week, but that was the first time I saw him ATTEMPT to stop the onslaught on CP.

3rd and one??? Throw it 12 yards down field!!!!


Do you think the Rams offense would be putting up similar numbers under Fisher?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He was 37.5% of the offense in the first 15 games last year, so 40% is probably not "ridiculous".

...dbs

Dave that's not sustainable. And no good team (what was our record last year?) can be so singularly focused around a single player and succeed consistently. And you know that.

 

[THESMEL]

They did against the eagles. They just did it with short screen passes. It may go down in the stats as a pass, but we all know that it is just an extension of the run game.

Well watch the difference in the defenses if AP actually gets rushing carries - I hear and understand that a screen is a run bs - but don't buy it - still loading the pass defense up and playing to its strengths- I. Trying to be the best lil thesmel I can be - I really am but appx 4 passes to every run is fundamentally flawed football on any level - blame it on the online all you want but they haven't got a chance to succeed and haven't for years under whiz and now BA - we were not and have not won consistently rushing 20-33% of the time - just doesn't happen - it's stupid - if BA can't listen to the bear Bryant on his office wall - what good is he as a play caller - I like BA - he admits his non rushing flaws than repeats ad nauseum- and fans blame and curse me

 

[daves]

Dave that's not sustainable. And no good team (what was our record last year?) can be so singularly focused around a single player and succeed consistently. And you know that.

I never said it's ideal, or sustainable. You said, "he couldn't have been 40% of the offense. That's ridiculous."

He could have, and it's not ridicuous. In 1999 Marshall Faulk had 2,429 of the Rams' 6412 scrimmage yards. That's 37.9% and the Rams won the Super Bowl.

David Johnson had 37.5% in 2016, and he's basically the Cardinals' version of Faulk. Sure, it would be great if the WR and TE corps were better and Johnson didn't have to carry so much of the load - but he showed in 2016 that he could do it, so it was conceivable that he would do it again.

...dbs

P.S. In 1998 Faulk provided 43.5% of the Colts' scrimmage yards, but they were an awful 3-13. In 2000 and 2001 Faulk dropped down into the low 30% range for the Rams, as they went 10-6 and 14-2.

 

[football karma]

Do you think the Rams offense would be putting up similar numbers under Fisher?

that is an apples/oranges comparison

the Rams added Watkins, Whitworth and others to their offense relative to the Fischer years--

if -- Todd Gurley, Andrew Whitworth, and Roger Saffold were all on IR or so -- i dont think their offense would be nearly as effective as it is now -- even with Sean McVays offense

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I never said it's ideal, or sustainable. You said, "he couldn't have been 40% of the offense. That's ridiculous."

He could have, and it's not ridicuous. In 1999 Marshall Faulk had 2,429 of the Rams' 6412 scrimmage yards. That's 37.9% and the Rams won the Super Bowl.

David Johnson had 37.5% in 2016, and he's basically the Cardinals' version of Faulk. Sure, it would be great if the WR and TE corps were better and Johnson didn't have to carry so much of the load - but he showed in 2016 that he could do it, so it was conceivable that he would do it again.

...dbs

P.S. In 1998 Faulk provided 43.5% of the Colts' scrimmage yards, but they were an awful 3-13. In 2000 and 2001 Faulk dropped down into the low 30% range for the Rams, as they went 10-6 and 14-2.

So I think you're kinda proving my point. DJ did NOT provide 40% and 2.5% is actually quite a bit of a jump when you're talking yardage. And the only time you came up with someone north of 40% it was for a losing team.

 

[kerouac9]

The SB thing, the INT was just an amazing play that you can't blame Bevell for. Yeah, they could have ran but why if the RB fumbled, would you blame Bevell? The offense not being good the last couple of years, yeah Bevell should be canned for not bringing in NFL caliber OL to protect Wilson. I swear some of you can't seem to see that SEA's GM has failed them just like Keim failed ARZ this offseason determined to collect draft picks instead of improving the team so he can continue to gamble with ARZ's future with his risky drafting strategies. Gus Bradley sucked as a HC, some coaches are better coordinators, you can't argue with the defenses he ran in SEA, not going to try arguing with posters about that. If Bevell had an OL, Wilson would be torching defenses. Can't blames sins of the GM on coordinators, they are just trying to make something out of nothing in SEA and ARZ's cases.

Seattle was 16th in offensive DVOA last year, and 1st in offensive DVOA in 2015. That offense is fine; it's just that early struggles make you forget that it's pretty deadly at the end of the year. They're efficient.

Personally, I think the fire Arians talk is ridiculous. The players love playing for him and are playing hard. He hasn't forgotten how to coach and is still a very good play caller.

His problem is his head has been in the sand for years when it comes to special teams. I posted last year that I don't think he emphasizes it and it shows. ST's cost them a playoff berth last year and it seems to have gotten worse this year.

This remains so dumb. If you actually feel this is true, more power to you, but we had a losing record last year, and all three phases of the game contributed to that. Not to mention that Amos Jones wasn't the one who decided to bring two rookie long snappers to training camp.

How do you guys feel about Matt Patricia as a possible replacement for BA? He could run the defense and bring in his own offensive coordinator. He is also familiar with Chandler Jones.

Don't the Pats have the worst defense in the NFL, by a mile? This is probably the wrong time to bring up this name. Who are the successful Belichek disciples in the the NFL as head coaches?

I wonder what the record is for the top 4 teams in the NFL last year are. If we are comparable with other teams in the league or not.

IIRC, this is first and second round picks from the past three draft classes? (Based on OurLads.com depth charts)

New England Patriots - (No first or second rounder in 2017, no first in 2016) Malcom Brown (1st, DT) - That's 1 of 3 first- or second-round picks.
Pittsburgh Steelers - T.J. Watt (2017, 1st, OLB), Artie Burns (2016, 1st, DB), Sean Davis (2016, 2nd, DB), Bud Dupree (2015, 1st, OLB). That's 4 of 6 first- or second-round picks.
Atlanta Falcons - (no 2017 second rounder) Keanu Neal (1st, 2016, DB), Deion Jones (2nd, 2016, ILB), Vic Beasley (1st, 2015, OLB) - That's 3 of 5 first- or second-round picks.
Green Bay Packers - Kenny Clark (2016, 1st, DT), Demarious Randall (1st, 2015, DB) - That's 2 of 6 first- or second-round picks.

 

[daves]

I never said it's ideal, or sustainable. You said, "he couldn't have been 40% of the offense. That's ridiculous."

He could have, and it's not ridicuous. In 1999 Marshall Faulk had 2,429 of the Rams' 6412 scrimmage yards. That's 37.9% and the Rams won the Super Bowl.

David Johnson had 37.5% in 2016, and he's basically the Cardinals' version of Faulk. Sure, it would be great if the WR and TE corps were better and Johnson didn't have to carry so much of the load - but he showed in 2016 that he could do it, so it was conceivable that he would do it again.

So I think you're kinda proving my point. DJ did NOT provide 40% and 2.5% is actually quite a bit of a jump when you're talking yardage. And the only time you came up with someone north of 40% it was for a losing team.

Sigh... not really worth arguing... i'm just disputing your statement that DJ "couldn't" have been 40% of the offense, and that such an assertion would be "ridiculous".

Had he not been hurt, it was entirely within the realm of possibility.

The examples i came up with (Faulk) showed that it was within the realm of possibility.

Now you have stated that "the only time you came up with someone north of 40% it was for a losing team". Well, here are some additional examples:

OJ Simpson in 1973 had 47.9% of the Bills' yards when they went 9-5.
Walter Payton in 1977 had 43.5% of the Bears' yards when they went 9-5.
Eric Dickerson in 1984 had 42.8% of the Rams' yards when they went 10-6.
Marcus Allen in 1985 had 40.3% of the Raiders' yards when they went 12-4.
Eric Dickerson in 1986 had 41.9% of the Rams' yards when they went 10-6.
Barry Sanders in 1994 had 41.9% of the Lions' yards when they went 9-4.
Jamal Lewis in 2003 had 43.7% of the Raven' offense when they went 10-6.
Tiki Barber in 2005 had 40.0% of the Giants' offense when they went 11-5.
Chris Johnson in 2009 had 44.0% of the Titans' yards when they went 8-8.
Adrian Peterson in 2012 had 41.6% of the Vikings' yards when they went 10-6.

There were a bunch more from before the merger.

Bottom line... your statement that "he couldn't have been 40% of the offense. That's ridiculous" is refuted. QED.

...dave

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Sigh... not really worth arguing... i'm just disputing your statement that DJ "couldn't" have been 40% of the offense, and that such an assertion would be "ridiculous".

Had he not been hurt, it was entirely within the realm of possibility.

The examples i came up with (Faulk) showed that it was within the realm of possibility.

Now you have stated that "the only time you came up with someone north of 40% it was for a losing team". Well, here are some additional examples:

OJ Simpson in 1973 had 47.9% of the Bills' yards when they went 9-5.
Walter Payton in 1977 had 43.5% of the Bears' yards when they went 9-5.
Eric Dickerson in 1984 had 42.8% of the Rams' yards when they went 10-6.
Marcus Allen in 1985 had 40.3% of the Raiders' yards when they went 12-4.
Eric Dickerson in 1986 had 41.9% of the Rams' yards when they went 10-6.
Barry Sanders in 1994 had 41.9% of the Lions' yards when they went 9-4.
Jamal Lewis in 2003 had 43.7% of the Raven' offense when they went 10-6.
Tiki Barber in 2005 had 40.0% of the Giants' offense when they went 11-5.
Chris Johnson in 2009 had 44.0% of the Titans' yards when they went 8-8.
Adrian Peterson in 2012 had 41.6% of the Vikings' yards when they went 10-6.

There were a bunch more from before the merger.

Bottom line... your statement that "he couldn't have been 40% of the offense. That's ridiculous" is refuted. QED.

...dave

Okay

 

[cardinals]

2-3... the sky hasnt fallen.
1 game behind a majority of league.

yep

 

[Jetstream Green]

yep

BA called a great game in the first half and then tried to get cute, but again I still like him as the head coach but again my problem is his staff which consists of Amos and Bettcher. Dawson provides Fitz with some valuable special team advise and Amos does not, while Bettcher gets out coached after the half in a idiotic zone adjustment. If he does not do something about this and if they have to be part of the package, then they are an extension of him