3-5 bucks a day. If it's a swanky place and they go the extra mile, I leave 10.
Tip your server.
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3-5 bucks a day. If it's a swanky place and they go the extra mile, I leave 10.
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No, it shouldn't. MW was never meant to be lived on. Also, on what planet is flipping burgers a $32,000 a year endeavor. And don't give me this living wage crap. People want that kind of money to buy stuff not to live on. I lived on far less. I just went without like these so called poor people should.
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i leave a few bucks on my last day, it depends what country I am in for how much I leave =P
i dont let cleaning people into my room, especially in mexico so i just tip the last day when i leave as they are cleaning up from my entire stay anyway.
otherwise, you could leave a few dollars each day.
Trying to get me killed huh?
those people deserve to be called out
in CA and NY and etc 15 an hour makes sense. In Mississippi, it doesnt.
Not arguing the minimum wage aspect at all--but most burger flippers don't work 40 hours. They're usually part time so they don't have to give them any benefits.
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and all of those "flipping burgers" jobs are factored into the national employment statistics calculation to arrive at the "acceptable" 5 % unemployment level which means the economy is thriving and we are all better off today than 5 years ago. Right? MW should be a livable wage otherwise what else is it good for? An indicator for people making MW that helps them understand they are living in poverty? I think they already know that. The level, it is at, is just an arbitrary threshold that keeps corporate America "growing".
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and this way they can have 2 part time jobs, without benefits and end up working 40 - 60 hrs @ $2.31/hour. If it weren't for the charitable tippers, they would indeed be homeless.
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The minimum wage is an introductory wage set forth for teenagers just entering the work force. It was never meant to be a "living wage". Speaking of an arbitrary term, what is a livable wage? Who sets that standard? Would this livable wage be the same for someone living in Texarkana, Tx as well as someone living on NYC? You leftists are incredibly generous with other people's money. Tell you what. You start a business and pay your employees whatever you want but you have no right to demand a friend of mine who owns a custard stand that he has to pay his employees $15 an hour.
https://thebillfold.com/it-was-always-supposed-to-be-a-living-wage-a6d4cf3c7ab1#.ddabid6tk
This lays out in pretty good detail why you're wrong and answers your questions as well.
Personally, I think min wage should vary by state, but should absolutely be forced to keep with inflation.
btw, we are treading into getting this thread split & the minimum wage posts being put into P&R...
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Have no idea where the M W was meant to be for entry level teenagers myth comes from. Sounds like something corporate america spews.
The charts below blows a hole in that theory of teenage wages.
http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/federal-minimum-wage-history/
that would bring the "liveable wage" factor into play. There is a plethora of statistical evidence to determine what a "liveable wage" is in any geo/demographic area.
Good idea.
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burger flippers dont work on tips...
so...put a band aid on a failed economy and call it success??
there is a reason minimum wage is not a living wage. Creating jobs would cause salaries to increase as demand for workers grows......and a growing housing market would cause more empty apartments which causes apartment prices to go down......
before you know it....minimum wage is a living wage....but fewer people are on it.
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I still haven't received an answer to the question as to what gives the federal government the power to tell a private business what to pay their employees(I'll save you the trouble, it isn't in the Constitution). Also, what about people who work strictly off of commission? Should they be guaranteed a wage too? It amazes me how many of you who don't own a business or never owned a business profess yourselves to be experts on what to pay people. You people have no idea how raising the MW will kill a lot of small businesses like my buddy who owns a custard stand.
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Have owned my own businesses for 30 + years. Never paid any of my employees minimum wage or less. If they weren't worth the wage I determined the job was worth, they were gone. There is an adage in business management that professes that if an employee does not pay for himself/herself by Wednesday mid day, something is awry. The cost of labor was/is a factor in the process for product pricing. So I do consider myself to be an expert for my business policy. Left leaning ideologists are able to run perfectly thriving businesses in spite of the stereotype.
I'm a right-leaning ideologist.
None of my employees make less than $15/hour. However, there is a minor skill set work ethic that is needed to meet the company minimum wage. But it primarily based on work ethic. If an employee can't hack it, they are gone.
The statutory authority comes from the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (29 USC 201 et seq.)
The constitutional authority for the FLSA is found in Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 (Interstate Commerce Clause).
People who are working on commission, unless exempted from minimum and overtime pay under the FLSA, must have their commissions equal the minimum wage for hours worked. There's a broad array of exemptions, including outside salesmen and management personnel.
To tack onto Linder's post, the calculation I have seen is that:
Living Wage = (Housing + Food + Clothing + Transportation + Utilities + Other Necessities) * 1.25;
Where housing, food, clothing, transportation, utilities, and other necessities are based upon the local cost of living and are set at the median rate.
A quick rule of thumb that I've also seen is (average single bedroom apartment rent x * 3) / 178.
So for example, in Las Vegas, that would be (819*3)/178 = $13.80 per hour.
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On the aspect of minimum wage needing to be tailored to where you live right now the Bay area is the perfect example.
I have a friend who's in Denver and wanting to come home to the Bay Area so I've been helping her look online for places. In may of 2013 we moved out of a 2 bedroom apartment in Sunnyvale into the house we bought, the rent was 1550 and was going up to 1850 which seemed outrageous to us. 3 years later that apartment rents "from" 2750 according to their website. So it's close to doubled in 3 years.
I looked at some short term rentals just decent places not high end. She was quoted 3200 a month for 4 months on a 1 bedroom, 3600 for 3. 4200 a month for a 2 bedroom for 3 months!
Average rent for a 1 bedroom in this area is apparently about 2400. I came across a guy on Airbnb renting an eichler house in Cupertino(I grew up in such a house there) for 10K a month. These are homes built in the late 60's.
IF you do the math if the minimum wage here was 20 bucks an hour, and you got 40 hours a week that's still only 3200 before tax when it's going to cost you 2400 or more a month for a 1 bedroom.
The reality is most people here simply can't afford to live in a 1 bedroom by themselves. i went and saw one of these places just to get an idea for her and the people across from the one they showed me had a family of 6 living in a 1 bedroom.
I have a friend who's in Denver and wanting to come home to the Bay Area so I've been helping her look online for places. In may of 2013 we moved out of a 2 bedroom apartment in Sunnyvale into the house we bought, the rent was 1550 and was going up to 1850 which seemed outrageous to us. 3 years later that apartment rents "from" 2750 according to their website. So it's close to doubled in 3 years.
I looked at some short term rentals just decent places not high end. She was quoted 3200 a month for 4 months on a 1 bedroom, 3600 for 3. 4200 a month for a 2 bedroom for 3 months!
Average rent for a 1 bedroom in this area is apparently about 2400. I came across a guy on Airbnb renting an eichler house in Cupertino(I grew up in such a house there) for 10K a month. These are homes built in the late 60's.
IF you do the math if the minimum wage here was 20 bucks an hour, and you got 40 hours a week that's still only 3200 before tax when it's going to cost you 2400 or more a month for a 1 bedroom.
The reality is most people here simply can't afford to live in a 1 bedroom by themselves. i went and saw one of these places just to get an idea for her and the people across from the one they showed me had a family of 6 living in a 1 bedroom.
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NJCard is banned from P&R so he's bringing it to the EE forum.
I will give a couple of bucks for packaging up the food but it isn't necessary.
When you should tip for a to-go order is for things like (curbside pickup or helping you to bring food to your car) or if you have a really big complicated order. Then a nice tip is in order.
