Todd Bowles imprint on the D

[Shane]

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...-Defense/cf569458-9be1-4352-acb3-ef68d06993d5

“Todd is more about putting his players in place to make plays, he’s not basing a defense

around a certain scheme,” defensive end Darnell Dockett said. “He’ll sit down and ask questions like, ‘Are you good at this?’ ‘Can you do this?’
“I think it is beneficial to us because he puts his trust in us and believes in what we are capable of doing. We just want to make him look good at what we are doing.”

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

So it's freestyle? I don't like that... There should be a defined scheme, otherwise you get CP and Billy D.

 

[Shane]

So it's freestyle? I don't like that... There should be a defined scheme, otherwise you get CP and Billy D.

Where did you read freestyle? I read he develops a scheme based on what the players strength is. IE Dockett and Campbell being able to wreak havoc.

I dont see that as freestyle its called playing to your strengths.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Cards were fourth in NFL in turnovers and he wants to "fix" that? Turnovers above all else? Personally, I prefer tackling above all else.

 

[Shane]

Cards were fourth in NFL in turnovers and he wants to "fix" that? Turnovers above all else? Personally, I prefer tackling above all else.

Again where did it say he wants to fix that? All it said is he wants to make that a point of emphasis(like Horton) You just are dying to hate this guy!

 

[52brandon]

Again where did it say he wants to fix that? All it said is he wants to make that a point of emphasis(like Horton) You just are dying to hate this guy!

the addition of the Honey Badger sure wont hurt that. That kid is like a magnet to the ball


I like reading that though. I like the idea of designing his scheme around his players' strengths. I hope it works out as well in execution as it does in theory

 

[Catfish]

the addition of the Honey Badger sure wont hurt that. That kid is like a magnet to the ball


I like reading that though. I like the idea of designing his scheme around his players' strengths. I hope it works out as well in execution as it does in theory

This was exactly what Whisenhunt failed to do. He ignored the strengths of this personnel, and simply chose to plug and play every man into HIS scheme. Where did that get him, (once Warner was no longer there to make the offense work). The results were dismal indeed.

I would hope that Bowles is astute enough to determine the strengths of each of his charges, and then scheme to play to those strengths. That leads each man to play with confidence, and that is the secret to playing your best. When a man KNOWS that he can do a particular job, he excels in performing it. The difference between him and the plug and play types are that many of these are still wondering if they can make the play, or are hoping to make the play instead of knowing that they will make it. Their results are frequently far inferior to those of the player who is confident he can do the job.

 

[52brandon]

This was exactly what Whisenhunt failed to do. He ignored the strengths of this personnel, and simply chose to plug and play every man into HIS scheme. Where did that get him, (once Warner was no longer there to make the offense work). The results were dismal indeed.

I would hope that Bowles is astute enough to determine the strengths of each of his charges, and then scheme to play to those strengths. That leads each man to play with confidence, and that is the secret to playing your best. When a man KNOWS that he can do a particular job, he excels in performing it. The difference between him and the plug and play types are that many of these are still wondering if they can make the play, or are hoping to make the play instead of knowing that they will make it. Their results are frequently far inferior to those of the player who is confident he can do the job.

agreed. There's going to be so much different next year, all while still keeping the vast majority of our talented players, I can't wait to see how we do. This team should be much improved. But our division is probably the strongest in the NFL now, so it's an uphill battle for sure

 

[Stronso]

I think the most important part of the article was the last two or three sentences by Campbell.

According to him the offense looks great and that will free up the defense to be able to play the way they want to. I think we tend to forget how the poor production of the offense last year forced the defense to play in such a way that kept them in games

 

[WildBB]

I think the most important part of the article was the last two or three sentences by Campbell.

According to him the offense looks great and that will free up the defense to be able to play the way they want to. I think we tend to forget how the poor production of the offense last year forced the defense to play in such a way that kept them in games

Exactamundo! Also too many big plays against us.

 

[52brandon]

I think the most important part of the article was the last two or three sentences by Campbell.

According to him the offense looks great and that will free up the defense to be able to play the way they want to. I think we tend to forget how the poor production of the offense last year forced the defense to play in such a way that kept them in games

I said the same thing in a few other threads. If our offense keeps the pressure off the D, although our D will likely take a step back in overall effectiveness, they will actually look better because it's no longer their job to make sure the offense is in position to score points. They can play how they're supposed to play

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This was exactly what Whisenhunt failed to do. He ignored the strengths of this personnel, and simply chose to plug and play every man into HIS scheme. Where did that get him, (once Warner was no longer there to make the offense work). The results were dismal indeed.

You realize that Warner, at the time, was much less regarded than Palmer is today. Give Whiz some credit. He took the team to the SB. He had the Cards in 1st place with Kevin Kolb at the helm. I kow it's still, for some unknown reason, fashionable to bash the guy but he was a very good coach. It's starting to look more and more like he may been hamstrung by the ineptness that is Rod Graves.

 

[52brandon]

You realize that Warner, at the time, was much less regarded than Palmer is today. Give Whiz some credit. He took the team to the SB. He had the Cards in 1st place with Kevin Kolb at the helm. I kow it's still, for some unknown reason, fashionable to bash the guy but he was a very good coach. It's starting to look more and more like he may been hamstrung by the ineptness that is Rod Graves.

you're right. But to make your statement accurate, you would have to say that Warner was incorrectly less regarded than Palmer. The guy is like #5 or 6 in all-time passer ratings. Took not one, but 2, perennially AWFUL franchises to the SB a total of 3 times, taking home a ring in one. He's a SB MVP, NFL MVP, 2x All Pro, 4x Pro Bowl, has a handful of records, all post-season. Kurt was one of the best to do it. Palmer is very good. But he's no Kurt Warner

 

[BigRedRage]

you're right. But to make your statement accurate, you would have to say that Warner was incorrectly less regarded than Palmer. The guy is like #5 or 6 in all-time passer ratings. Took not one, but 2, perennially AWFUL franchises to the SB a total of 3 times, taking home a ring in one. He's a SB MVP, NFL MVP, 2x All Pro, 4x Pro Bowl, has a handful of records, all post-season. Kurt was one of the best to do it. Palmer is very good. But he's no Kurt Warner

hes talking about prior to AZ, not total career. Warner ahd still done more but he hadnt taken 2 to the super bowl and etc. Palmer is coming off a productive season, warners career was over most thought.

 

[52brandon]

hes talking about prior to AZ, not total career. Warner ahd still done more but he hadnt taken 2 to the super bowl and etc. Palmer is coming off a productive season, warners career was over most thought.

I know what you're saying, but the bolded part is my point. I said he was regarded as a lesser QB when we got him, but it was an incorrect assessment

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When Warner signed with Arizona he was considered done as a starting NFL QB. Nobody else wanted him. How else do you think he ended up in Arizona?

BTW, .

 

[kerouac9]

Where did you read freestyle? I read he develops a scheme based on what the players strength is. IE Dockett and Campbell being able to wreak havoc.

I dont see that as freestyle its called playing to your strengths.

I didn't read freestyle, but you can't structure a defense around every player's strength. You take your three or four best players, and structure the defensive scheme and the support personnel around them.

I'm skeptical of Bowles because he clearly doesn't have a vision or philosophy that he's able to articulate, and because he was a terrible defensive coordinator last year. Fun fact: before Bowles took over the Eagles' defense, they created 8 defensive turnovers; after he took over, they created 5. Good times there.

 

[52brandon]

When Warner signed with Arizona he was considered done as a starting NFL QB. Nobody else wanted him. How else do you think he ended up in Arizona?

BTW, .

Carson Palmer wasn't exactly a hot commodity either. He cost us a 6th and we got a 7th back, correct? And that's how HE ended up in AZ. But no matter how you shake it, Warner is the better QB, regardless of how he was viewed at that particular time. He even got his chance to start here due to injury and constant mistakes by the guy tabbed as our starter at the time. And that dumb luck is why we were successful then. Our D and ST were nothing to write home about. But thanks to Warner, we looked like a much better team. None of our coaches were viewed as successful after his departure

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Carson Palmer wasn't exactly a hot commodity either. He cost us a 6th and we got a 7th back, correct? And that's how HE ended up in AZ. But no matter how you shake it, Warner is the better QB, regardless of how he was viewed at that particular time. He even got his chance to start here due to injury and constant mistakes by the guy tabbed as our starter at the time. And that dumb luck is why we were successful then. Our D and ST were nothing to write home about. But thanks to Warner, we looked like a much better team. None of our coaches were viewed as successful after his departure

You've completely missed my original point. Nowhere was I comparing Palmer's career to Warner's. I merely pointed out that Whiz deserves credit for the SB instead of just heaping praise on Warner and that Warner was considered finished prior to Whiz resurrecting his career and going to the SB.

 

[52brandon]

You've completely missed my original point. Nowhere was I comparing Palmer's career to Warner's. I merely pointed out that Whiz deserves credit for the SB instead of just heaping praise on Warner and that Warner was considered finished prior to Whiz resurrecting his career and going to the SB.

Leinart being an idiot off the field, getting hurt, and then just sucking played as big a part in Kurt getting his shot as any coach. Now we're even getting away from my original point, which was that Kurt was incorrectly labelled as done. A point I didn't think could even be argued against

 

[Stronso]

But Kurt came back like a monster after kicking himself in the ass to get in better shape, start wearing the gloves to help his thumb and cut down on fumbles, and made it impossible for Whiz to choose Leinart

 

[Duckjake]

Leinart being an idiot off the field, getting hurt, and then just sucking played as big a part in Kurt getting his shot as any coach. Now we're even getting away from my original point, which was that Kurt was incorrectly labelled as done. A point I didn't think could even be argued against

Warner didn't just show up in 2007 with Whisenhunt. How easily fans ignore that he was on the team in 2005 and 2006 and the Cards finished 5-11 each year and was playing so poorly in 2006 that Kurt was benched for Leinart.

There was no reason not to think that Warner was done both when he came to Arizona and after the 2006 season. A 36 year old QB who had mediocre stats and a pitiful W-L record and a penchant for fumbling. I don't fault anyone for thinking he was.

As for Warner as a great QB. Was he really that great or was he just lucky? In St.Louis he had Holt and Bruce and in Arizona he had Boldin and Fitzgerald.
4 of the best WRs to ever play the game. Without great WRs in NY he did nothing.

 

[Chopper0080]

I am worried that the defense will take a very large step back. Bowles comments come off like a Clancy Pendergast hybrid scheme that has no real identity. That was the one thing I really liked about Horton. He had a specific scheme and structure that his defense could rely on. He knew wanted a pressure scheme that relied on blitzing to get pressure. He knew he needed smart CBs and Ss because they would be put in situations where they would be the last line of defense and would not have any help. He knew his scheme would give up big plays if his blitzes did not get to the CB.

Maybe Bowles just hasn't articulated his plan to this point, and this is all moot. I like the idea of an attacking defensive line because it highlights the strengths of Dockett and Campbell. I wonder if that will make Daryl Washington less effective because this will force him to deal with more offensive linemen getting to the second level. I wonder how he plans to generate pressure on the QB other than with his defensive line because I don't see a ton of edge rushing potential. We will see.

 

[TRW]

I think the defense will take a bit of a step backward. But I think the quantum leap improvement in the QB position alone will more than compensate.

There are quite a few new faces on the defense and that will take some time to mesh. Plus, it is hard to figure what the new "scheme" will be at this point. I am being cautiously optimistic that the defense will be good enough because the offense will be much better.

If the running game can get going, if the new OL shapes up, if, if, if...

Drives one insane!

 

[Sunburn]

I think the most important part of the article was the last two or three sentences by Campbell.

According to him the offense looks great and that will free up the defense to be able to play the way they want to. I think we tend to forget how the poor production of the offense last year forced the defense to play in such a way that kept them in games

You mean by limiting the opponent's points as much as possible. Isn't this the definition of defense?