Trade article by David Aldridge

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On the NBA | As Phoenix Rises...

By David Aldridge

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Every day the Phoenix Suns remain in the NBA playoffs could be meaningful for 76ers fans.
Because with each passing day, Phoenix's success looks less like a gimmick and more like a system of play that can transcend seasons.
And that makes veteran big man Kurt Thomas look more and more like a piece that doesn't fit.

With the Suns in the Western Conference finals for the second straight year, it's hard to continue arguing that you can't have big success playing the pedal-to-the-metal style Phoenix does. With every Steve Nash drive and dish, with every Shawn Marion three-pointer, with every 115-point game, the Suns' offensive system looks more and more viable.
Phoenix traded guard Quentin Richardson to New York last summer for Thomas, thinking it needed to upgrade its defense if it was going to be a serious contender in the West this season. The Suns signed free-agent guard Raja Bell to a big contract for the same reason.

The Suns' defense has improved somewhat, but it's mostly happened without Thomas, who suffered a stress fracture in his right foot in February and hasn't played since. He's back in uniform and available in Phoenix's series with Dallas, but it's unlikely he'll see a lot of playing time.
No matter how their playoff run ends, the Suns will have to make some decisions this summer. Assuming a return to health and dominance next season by injured forward Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix will have to find playing time for Stoudemire; emerging star Boris Diaw; Tim Thomas (who will be a free agent this summer, but who is expected to remain in Phoenix); Kurt Thomas; and Marion, the all-star forward.
It will be hard enough for one of those players to accept limited minutes off the bench next season, let alone two.
Phoenix also will have to soon decide how much it will pay the 24-year-old Diaw, who is eligible for a contract extension next summer.

There's a remote possibility the Suns could move Marion - a max player who doesn't seem to be held in high esteem by owner Robert Sarver. It's more likely, though, that Stoudemire and Marion will play 35 to 40 minutes apiece in Phoenix next season. Diaw also has earned minutes and money with an outstanding postseason, as has Tim Thomas.
That, combined with the Suns' amazing success playing a small-ball style that favors shot-making over boxing out and threes over post-ups, seems to make Kurt Thomas the odd man out.

And so, in keeping with our occasional series that humbly suggests ideas on how to fix the home white, we ask: Should the Sixers pursue Kurt Thomas?
Thomas will be 34 by the time next season begins. He has a screw in his foot. He would not be a long-term solution to the Sixers' woes. On the other hand, he's also not a long-term contract risk, either, with only two years at $7.3 million and $8.09 million remaining on his deal.
He has earned a reputation as one of the league's better low-post defenders and rebounders. Since becoming a full-time starter six years ago, he's never averaged fewer than 7.8 rebounds in a season. And he's increased his offensive repertoire over the years.

With Thomas playing either power forward next to Samuel Dalembert or center next to Chris Webber, the Sixers would have a much different defensive look. Thomas would strengthen their interior defense, leaving Dalembert free to provide weakside shot-blocking, or Webber free to use his still-quick hands to get into passing lanes and create deflections.

If Kyle Korver interested the Suns, he could be dealt in a package after his base-year compensation status expires July 1. (That would make him much easier to trade.) But if the Sixers want to hold on to Korver, they could put together a package featuring rising free-agent swingman John Salmons.

Phoenix has a $6 million trade exception after executing the sign-and-trade with Atlanta that sent Joe Johnson to the Hawks and brought Diaw to Phoenix. If Salmons agreed to a similar sign-and-trade deal but didn't become a base-year player himself (too complicated to explain - don't ask), he could fit into that slot.
The Suns also have two first-round picks (21 and 27), either or both of which could be thrown into the mix for the Sixers' No. 13 selection.
Some think Salmons needs to go elsewhere for his game to blossom.
"John Salmons can play," said an NBA veteran who's gone against him many times the last few years. "Just wait until he gets out of there."
If Salmons turned into a star in Phoenix like Diaw, it would be agonizing. And Thomas may well still be a vital part of the Suns' immediate future. But a numbers crunch is a numbers crunch, and Thomas is strong where the Sixers currently are weak.
Is it a gamble worth considering?

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Is He Worth It?
If the 76ers have their eyes on Kurt Thomas of the Phoenix Suns, here's what they might look forward to:
He has averaged 10.6 points per game for his career, but really he was a role player on some good Knicks teams in the late 1990s before becoming a starter in 2001-02.
In his four seasons as a Knicks starter, and as a starter for more than half of this season with Phoenix, he has scored 12.1 points per game.
Despite missing the last 29 games this season plus the playoffs, Thomas played in all but five games the previous four seasons as a full-time player.
In rebounding, Thomas' 7.6 career per-game average jumped to 8.8 in the last five seasons.
 

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I can't believe nobody else has attacked this article yet. David Aldridge is obviously clueless. The defense has improved, but most of that has happened without Thomas? What the hell is he talking about? With Thomas in the lineup the Phoenix Suns were one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. Since he got injured they've been one of the worst offensive teams.

I mean the DA had to do take a few minutes to look up some numbers. Also, why would the Phoenix Suns want an overpaid Kyle Korver? Yes, he can shoot, but he doesn't really do anything else well. The Phoenix Suns have proven they can find players at a minimal cost and make them fit as role players in this system.

Finally, I'm almost positive that the Phoenix Suns only have $1-1.5 million of their trade exception remaining. They used a decent chunk of it on James Jones

This article is just crap.

Joe
 

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I hadn't read the article, but you're right, Joe_Mama -- it's terrible. It's amazing how ignorant he is. You'd think he'd at least have enough professional pride to avoid looking like a complete fool, but I guess not.
 
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I do not believe the suns want Kyle Korver. He signed a 6 year contract that started at 3.6 mil and ends at 5.5 mil in 6 years.

I can see them trading Kurt Thomas if they think Amare will get the rebounds and block a few shots.
They also can keep Marion if they trade KT 8 mil salary, and this gives them some space to sign TT, and another year to worry about the contracts kicking in for Diaw and Barbosa.
But if they trade KT they will need to find another big someplace in a trade or the draft.

I think the suns have about 3.6 mil left on the TE. If I remember, they used about 2.4 mil and a 2nd pick on the James Jones trade. However, I do not think they will use it unless a trade calls for some of it.
 

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"Since the Suns have improved there defense without K Thomas around to get in the way they can now explore a trade with Washington for Jared Jeffries."
 

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sunsfn said:
I think the suns have about 3.6 mil left on the TE. If I remember, they used about 2.4 mil and a 2nd pick on the James Jones trade. However, I do not think they will use it unless a trade calls for some of it.

That exemption expires this summer, no?
 
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Gaddabout said:
That exemption expires this summer, no?

Right, the trade was August 19, 2005, and the exemption has to be used in a years time.
 

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Joe Mama said:
I can't believe nobody else has attacked this article yet. David Aldridge is obviously clueless. The defense has improved, but most of that has happened without Thomas? What the hell is he talking about? With Thomas in the lineup the Phoenix Suns were one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. Since he got injured they've been one of the worst offensive teams.

I mean the DA had to do take a few minutes to look up some numbers. Also, why would the Phoenix Suns want an overpaid Kyle Korver? Yes, he can shoot, but he doesn't really do anything else well. The Phoenix Suns have proven they can find players at a minimal cost and make them fit as role players in this system.

Finally, I'm almost positive that the Phoenix Suns only have $1-1.5 million of their trade exception remaining. They used a decent chunk of it on James Jones

This article is just crap.

Joe


That's right. We have used some of that trade exception already. Plus noone is mentioning that KT is Amare's request because he was getting hammered at the center position and wanted to play PF! We trade KT, Boris Diaw becomes our center? Not that I mind that, but we need a low post defender. We trade KT and we eliminate out low post defense. :shrug:
 

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nobody wants to believe we had a good defense. were known for our offense so it doesnt matter how good our D was with KT in there.
 

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this does raise a good point. if we're actually healthy next year, here's the frontcourt:

marion
amare
thomas
diaw
james jones?
tim thomas?

there is not enough minutes for all those dudes. at least 1, maybe 2 will go. amare and diaw have to be mortal locks at this point, shawn at 99%. jones is too cheap to let go. tim and kurt are the only ones left, even though both are real good...
 

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Why would the Suns trade Kurt Thomas now for "scrubs". We will have to extend Barbosa and Diaw but I think we would rather trade Barbosa and get a true PG in the draft. And extending Diaw shouldn't be difficult since right now we still have one of the lowest payrolls of all playoff teams.

Even if KT wasn't starting next season. We would need someone to play 30 minutes backing up Amare and Diaw.
 

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And if we have to trade someone becuase of Diaw it should be Marion because both of them are naturally SFs. Diaw should not be looked at as this teams future center EVER. He needs to work on his shot and become an allstar SF ala Grant Hill.
 

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this does raise a good point. if we're actually healthy next year, here's the frontcourt:

marion
amare
thomas
diaw
james jones?
tim thomas?

there is not enough minutes for all those dudes.

Don't worry, I'm sure one or more of those guys will miss half of the season.
 

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What a stupid article. We played what .500 ball after KT went down? We were killed on the boards and inside the paint.
 

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I think that eventaully KT will be traded. For everyone that feels we need to trade Marion we might want to hold onto him seeing that we don't know how well Amare will come back next year or if he will regain his old form. Until Stoudamire is fully recovered we must keep Marion because of his rebounding, defense and speed. If we trade KT to Philly we should try to get Dalembert in return, there really isn't anyone else we would want and Philly would give up on their roster.
 

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Kurt Thomas was vital to the Suns during the first half of the season, no doubt.

And Amare did request him...


But things change, you have to look at what the Suns is doing right now. They are in the WCF, without Amare and Kurt.

Kurt is important, but not as importan as Diaw and to some extent Tim Thomas. Yes, the Suns are back to their all-out offense minimal defense game, but its taken them back to the WCF.

I think the Suns should trade Kurt, IF they want Diaw.
There's no way you trade Marion, unless you have someone who can replace his intangibles and his 22/12/2/2 contribution... and the ability to make the Suns a run and gun team, yes Marion is a HUGE reason why they are so good at it.
 

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Shawn Marion won't be putting up close to 22/12 with Amare coming back. 17/9 at best. That's not worth the coin he is getting and moving Diaw out of position.

Diaw can be better than Marion ever was, probably should be. That's why I would trade Marion for Garnett or LaMarcus Aldridge maybe. You have your future C and big man in Aldridge to compliment Amare. Trade Barbosa while his value is high because I wouldn't want so lock up a tweener when we have to be careful about the luxury tax, for a pick to draft Hilton Armstrong giving us another big and get a PG and SG with our own picks, Rondo and White or that Spanish backcourt Duo.

Now that seems crazy 4 first round picks and all but I think ultimately if you draft well, first round picks are the cheapest assets you can get. You have them locked up long term for affordable money. Financially it would be the easiest way to build around the contracts of Amare, Nash and soon Diaw.
 

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slinslin said:
Now that seems crazy 4 first round picks and all but I think ultimately if you draft well, first round picks are the cheapest assets you can get. You have them locked up long term for affordable money. Financially it would be the easiest way to build around the contracts of Amare, Nash and soon Diaw.
The Suns will never have 4 first round picks, and you know it. So why try to justify it?
 

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Well I don't like to get into these type of articles and I don't like to bad mouth players but everyone seems to like to these days, sooo...


Aldridge may be an idiot but if anybody needs to be Traded, I still think Kurt Thomas needs to go... for one he's been hurt last third of Season and didn't play that well first third of Season, yet the Team had the record they had. Suns got to Conference Finals without him...


Everyone talked about last year's Team not having depth and that's what did us in, and IMO if I were to ever agree to that... then that was more to do after the loss of Kurt Thomas - than how great a defender he is. The Team had no big man after he left and the Suns can find a rebounder/defender a whole lot less than $7 Million and $8 Million... that jumpshot was inconsistent as well. He's a great HELP defender but the Playoffs are about match-ups and he's not a shut down defender and Tim Thomas would be an better match-up offensively and a cheap Steven Hunter type could play the 10-15 minutes that are left over...


I like Kurt Thomas but Trading an All-Star for lesser players is dumber than Trading someone who never really fit into style of play IMO. If you keep KT, then Diaw wouldn't be as big as factor being that his best position is at PF... there wouldn't be much spacing with KT, STAT, 3D lineup; Teams would let the 3 fire away from mid-range and not let the 3 penetrate. Amare would have-to guard PF's after coming back from a serious injury, KT would be a year older, and Diaw would be trying to penetrate (with no 3PT shot as of yet) on smaller men... he has the ability to start making 3PTers but in the Draft, all I hear is this guy has no shot, yet when the guy is actually on Team, suddenly the coaches can make everyone a 3PT shooter. Diaw has been my 2nd favorite player almost the entire (taking over Stoudemire) and I'd be happy if he can add the three pointer to Game but there are no gaurantee's (sp).


If Marion is ever Traded, it should be for an All-Star bigman (Garnett, etc.) not for an Chandler type that has a worse contract than Marion...
 

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slinslin said:
Shawn Marion won't be putting up close to 22/12 with Amare coming back. 17/9 at best. That's not worth the coin he is getting and moving Diaw out of position.

Diaw can be better than Marion ever was, probably should be. That's why I would trade Marion for Garnett or LaMarcus Aldridge maybe. You have your future C and big man in Aldridge to compliment Amare. Trade Barbosa while his value is high because I wouldn't want so lock up a tweener when we have to be careful about the luxury tax, for a pick to draft Hilton Armstrong giving us another big and get a PG and SG with our own picks, Rondo and White or that Spanish backcourt Duo.

Now that seems crazy 4 first round picks and all but I think ultimately if you draft well, first round picks are the cheapest assets you can get. You have them locked up long term for affordable money. Financially it would be the easiest way to build around the contracts of Amare, Nash and soon Diaw.

4 picks is a bit much. 2 is looking ever more likely though. I'm not sold on Barbosa and never ave been. I like him as he seems to be as a person but as a player I'd still say he's undersized at the 2 and he's no point. Whomever we get as long as they are a C or a PG that D'A likes I'm happy.
 

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If the Suns would want Kyle Korver they simply can draft him at #27. His new name is Steve Novak.
He is younger, cheaper and taller than the old version, though.
 

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I think D'Antoni starts this team next year.

1. Nash
2. Bell
3. Marion
4. Diaw
5. Stoudemire

The interesting thing is that 3-5 will alternate.
 
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