Trade Down Proposal

[SMAC]

If one of the top QB prospects (Russell or Quinn) are still on the board when the Cardinals select, then I believe the Cards will trade down for extra picks. One proposal that would work is this:

Arizona trades 1st (pick 5) 1700 points to Miami for their 1st (pick 9), 3rd (pick 71), 4th (pick 105), and their 6th (pick 166) 1694 points. This would still allow the Cardinals to get a top 10 pick and the Dolphins would likely draft Quinn before the Vikings, Texans, or someone else moved ahead of them in the draft. The trade would give the Cards the following picks:

1 (9)
2 (38)
3 (69)
3 (71)
4 (102)
4 (105)
5 (133)
6 Brandon Gorin, OT (from New England for choice 166)
6 (167)
7 (197)

The only drawback to this trade is the Dolphins would be left with only three picks in this draft a 1st, 2nd, and 7th. They could substitute their '08 5th round pick for the 6th this year as an alternative and the trade would still work.

 

[football karma]

SMAC --

at a minimum, kudos to you for having a trade down scenario that 1. Involves a team that might actually trade up for the player available, and 2. Using some logical rationale for the picks given up.

Question: Instead of the 3rd and others, would the trade still work if it were Miami's 1st (9th overall) and its 2nd?

That would be more attractive to me than an extra 3rd and 4th

 

[RON_IN_OC]

SMAC --

at a minimum, kudos to you for having a trade down scenario that 1. Involves a team that might actually trade up for the player available, and 2. Using some logical rationale for the picks given up.

Question: Instead of the 3rd and others, would the trade still work if it were Miami's 1st (9th overall) and its 2nd?

That would be more attractive to me than an extra 3rd and 4th

I think that scenario only happens if the Dophins hire Mike Ditka to run their draft.

 

[SMAC]

SMAC --

at a minimum, kudos to you for having a trade down scenario that 1. Involves a team that might actually trade up for the player available, and 2. Using some logical rationale for the picks given up.

Question: Instead of the 3rd and others, would the trade still work if it were Miami's 1st (9th overall) and its 2nd?

That would be more attractive to me than an extra 3rd and 4th

To secure Miami's 2nd rounder the Cardinals would have to include one of their other picks. The best possible way for that to occur would be for the following:

Arizona trades #1 (5) and #4 (102) 1792 points to Miami for their #1 (9) and#2 (40) 1850 points. This would leave the Cardinals without a number 4 and 6 in the draft but would still give them six picks overall (1,2,2,3,5,7).

 

[JeffGollin]

A drop from #5 to #9 is probably not too far in terms of still grabbing decent talent, but at this early stage, it's premature to know if this is true before all prospects are evaluated and slotted.

Ideally, the situation you'd like to face when considering a trade down is that, at #5, there are still 5 players on your board you'd like to have with your first pick. That way, you can be sure that - should you pull the trigger on a deal and drop to #9 - you'll definitely get one of the 5 guys you still want.

Note - This did not happen when we traded down to #18 during the Suggs debacle. The Cards were rolling the dice that McDougle would still be there at #18 (a questionable assessment of McDougle with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight) only to have the Eagles move ahead of us to grab him.

The 3 lessons we should learn from this is (1) evaluate properly, (2) be 100% sure you'll get someone you want when you pick later and (3) don't drop out of the overall talent-level you can get if you stood pat.

If we can meet these three criteria, trading down might make a lot of sense. (But my concern is that we might repeat the Suggs mistake if we did).

 

[Heucrazy]

The pick for Gorin was conditional and since Denny never played him it is now a 7th I believe.

 

[earthsci]

The pick for Gorin was conditional and since Denny never played him it is now a 7th I believe.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=85814

 

[Pariah]

The pick for Gorin was conditional and since Denny never played him it is now a 7th I believe.

It would have been a 7th if he was cut. Since he stuck, but didn't play, it's a 6th. I think this was released earlier this week.

 

[Heucrazy]

It would have been a 7th if he was cut. Since he stuck, but didn't play, it's a 6th. I think this was released earlier this week.

That's poop. Denny is a bigger idiot then I thought. Why trade for the guy and then not play him?

Maybe Gorin had a good Chili Dog recipe and Denny figured a 6th rounder for him would be worth it.

 

[cardsfanmd]

SMAC --

at a minimum, kudos to you for having a trade down scenario that 1. Involves a team that might actually trade up for the player available, and 2. Using some logical rationale for the picks given up.

Question: Instead of the 3rd and others, would the trade still work if it were Miami's 1st (9th overall) and its 2nd?

That would be more attractive to me than an extra 3rd and 4th

thats what i was thinking

 

[cardsfanmd]

gorin started for a while on the pats so he is actually a great value for a sixth rounder imo

 

[BullheadCardFan]

To secure Miami's 2nd rounder the Cardinals would have to include one of their other picks. The best possible way for that to occur would be for the following:

Arizona trades #1 (5) and #4 (102) 1792 points to Miami for their #1 (9) and#2 (40) 1850 points. This would leave the Cardinals without a number 4 and 6 in the draft but would still give them six picks overall (1,2,2,3,5,7).

That would work for me ... the extra 2nd could be used to get someone who could step immediately (hopefully) ... I like the idea ...

 

[BullheadCardFan]

gorin started for a while on the pats so he is actually a great value for a sixth rounder imo

At the time we got Gorin I thought it was a good move .. I'm suprised that he didn't get more of an opportunity ...

The real problem with this whole thing is that Denny knew about and promised to address the Oline during the offseason and he tried to put a bandaid on it (again) and that led to moves like this ... too little too late ..

I still think that Gorin should be given a fair chance to earn either a starters position or backup role ... he looked good at times during the preseason and he did decent while in NE ... so it may end up being a real good deal in the long run ...

 

[cardsfanmd]

just making the team makes you worthy of a 6th rounder

 

[Goodyear Card]

The points used to evaluate drafts slots are not written in stone. If we trade down to the 9th pick we should get an extra second round pick with out giving up any other draft picks. If Thomas is not available I like the trading down scenarios. We would have a chance to pick up two quality players in the second round.

 

[JeffGollin]

The points used to evaluate drafts slots are not written in stone..

Point well taken. This is because the talent-pool varies in depth from year to year; among other things, rendering a top 5 pick more valuable in some years than in others.

 

[Goldfield]

I dont mind a trade down IF we are getting good value in return. But it seems the Cards get screwed when they trade so I think we would be better off taking a guy like J.Anderson & let him rotate in for both Berry & Keffer

 

[kerouac9]

The team trading down should be the one with the points advantage. That's why it's a bad deal. I'm not sure what the logic is to move down that far. Is it that we don't really want to win that bad?

This team still needs playmakers. On both sides of the ball. Your liklihood of drafting a playmaker goes up the higher you pick in the draft, not the lower. If this were a team that had made the playoffs two years in a row and then had a setback because of injury or something, this trade would make sense because it saves cap dollars and helps to build depth. But this team doesn't need depth; it needs contributors. That's not going to be what you get in this scenario.