Trade Fitzgerald to Denver

[RugbyMuffin]

Do we really need another thread on this?!?

No.

Cause in my opinion, anything that starts with "We should trade Fitzgerald for.........." is nonsense.

Crowder, Foxworth, and a 1st and 2nd round pick for Fitzgerald is a HORRIBLE deal.

Then to justify it with "Then we will sign this guy and this guy"


1st what you are trading away compared to what your getting is pathetic. Those two players and two draft picks amount to nothing.

2nd there is no certainty that A. you can sign the players you want, B. You can get them any cheaper than what your going through with Fitzgerald, and C. that those Free Agents you DO sign will be any good.

Throwing away once in a lifetime talent for mid ranged, below average talent will take us back below .500 in heart beat. BAD MOVE. HORRIFICALLY BAD MOVE.

All this worry about money to get overpriced free agents, and Calvin Pace. Pace by the way better be the best damn linebacker in the league next year after the way he has been talked about lately.



Graves said "Fitz is not going anywhere"

Whiz said "Fitz is not going anywhere"

Fitz said "I am not going anywhere"

I don't think he is going anywhere. So we can stop the Fitz is greedy, and Graves is stupid assumptions.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

No.

Cause in my opinion, anything that starts with "We should trade Fitzgerald for.........." is nonsense.

Mitch has a fantastic imagination though, so any idea of his is worth reading.

I can't think of anyone who always requires planets to properly align and little known players with potential to replace known commodities.

Entertainment at it's finest and some good football knowledge to boot.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Jerious Norwood and the #1 overall pick.

I'd like to do it, but that move doesn't save us any cap space at all.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Once we pay Fitz this huge, ridiculous, stupid sum of money he will be in position to leave and go play cheaply for a contending. Good for you Fitz. Way to set the team back Rod.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Once we pay Fitz this huge, ridiculous, stupid sum of money he will be in position to leave and go play cheaply for a contending. Good for you Fitz. Way to set the team back Rod.

Once we pay Fitz this huge sum of money, Boldin will request the same amount.....

 

[AzKarl]

Maybe now we know why the Bidwill's didn't like Escalator contracts

People made fun of the Bidwills who resisted these contracts for years and now we have a primary reason with Fitz for why they needed to be dragged kicking and screaming into this era of contract clause insanity. Eugene Parker is doing what he does best for his client but, he ends up pissing everyone off in the process. Didn't he represent several other well known Cardinals like the All pro LB Jamir Miller and either Eric Swann, or Simeon Rice? Hasn't he been the agent that has created massive problems re-signing key players? Just wondering.

 

[Duckjake]

Once we pay Fitz this huge, ridiculous, stupid sum of money he will be in position to leave and go play cheaply for a contending. Good for you Fitz. Way to set the team back Rod.

I don't see that. First, the Cardinals don't need any free agents this year imo. They don't have any really weak positions and can get the depth improvements they do need in the draft. Second the Cards are going to be a contending team for the next 5 years so Larry won't need to go any farther than Glendale to play for a contender.

Of course I'm probably in the minority with this line of thinking.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Once we pay Fitz this huge sum of money, Boldin will request the same amount.....

Exactly. Then we will have neither or we will lose Fitz and overpay Boldin. This whole situation is stupid IMO.

I love Fitz, I have his jersey, but I am a Arizona Cardinal fan first and foremost. This contract is horrible for the team and a WR just isn't worth that bread. He isn't going to rework the deal to where it benefits the team, and while I dont blame him, he needs to be traded now IMO.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Exactly. Then we will have neither or we will lose Fitz and overpay Boldin. This whole situation is stupid IMO.

I love Fitz, I have his jersey, but I am a Arizona Cardinal fan first and foremost. This contract is horrible for the team and a WR just isn't worth that bread. He isn't going to rework the deal to where it benefits the team, and while I dont blame him, he needs to be traded now IMO.

I don't think that the contract is horrible for the team, but you can only have one of them, or maybe 2 at the most. Usually that one major contract is for the QB. If your team can afford two of these contracts, both of them can't be at the WR position.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I don't see that. First, the Cardinals don't need any free agents this year imo. They don't have any really weak positions and can get the depth improvements they do need in the draft. Second the Cards are going to be a contending team for the next 5 years so Larry won't need to go any farther than Glendale to play for a contender.

Of course I'm probably in the minority with this line of thinking.

How do you figure that???

• Calvin Pace is soooooooooooo much more important to this team than many of you think. He was our most consistant defender last year and contrary to what many here would think, was statistically better than any of our other LBs.
• Rolle has shown absolutely nothing to prove that he will be any better than Holt thusfar. He has made some plays, but has been burnt time and time again. The biggest ingredient to a good FS is smarts and patience, not gambles and int return skills.
• Pope and Patrick caught some balls last year, but also dropped a few and made more penalties than most offensive lines. Neither has learned to block worth a damn. Pope also broke his ankle last year.
• Do you love our D-line?? While I think he will be much improved this year, Branch has shown nothing yet. That leaves us with zero behind our starters.
• Do I really need to address that we only have 2 CBs. Hood is very good and a legit #1 IMO, but we either need a 1st rounder who can play the #2 from the get go or a speedy shifty guy like tracy Porter who can line up in the nickle and cover the slot. Having a 4th CB that can actually come in the game and be immediately targetted and destroyed wouldn't hurt either IMO. I am hoping and praying Travarous Bain learned a lot on the PS last year, but who knows?
• Leinart gets one more serious injury and we have to find a QB who drank more milk when he was a kid.
• We need a punter ASAP
• Rackers couldn't hit from 32 to win against the niners. What do you think his kicks would look like in the playoffs??

Once we pay this money to Fitz, what do you think happens in the next 2-3 years??? I will tell you. Dansby sees this and asks for 1 bill next year and leaves. Boldin asks for the same contract as Fitz and is gone and maybe we are stupid enough to give Adub the moon as well.

This was an 8-8 team in the weakest division with the weakest schedule last year. I thionk you are fooling yourself a bit if you think we dont have too much room for improvement.

 

[NuttinButTDs]

FROM PFT - take it with a grain of salt


We're told that the Jets, Lions, and Broncos are talking about a deal that would send Detroit defensive tackle Shaun Rogers to New York, Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson to the Broncos, and Denver cornerback Dominique Foxworth and a second-round pick to the Lions.

The Lions also are looking at a trade for Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma

Mitch had it right - Denver is willing to give up Foxworth and a pick dewayne robertson, then imagine what they would give up for Fitz. With Baby TO and Fitz, they can let go Walker.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Rolle has shown absolutely nothing to prove that he will be any better than Holt thusfar. He has made some plays, but has been burnt time and time again. The biggest ingredient to a good FS is smarts and patience, not gambles and int return skills.

Whoa, whoa whoa.... Stop there. Rolle just has to lace up his shoes to be better than Holt. And that says alot, because in the past, Rolle has been burnt a lot. I didn't see him burnt as much this year, especially when he was in the "rover" position.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Whoa, whoa whoa.... Stop there. Rolle just has to lace up his shoes to be better than Holt. And that says alot, because in the past, Rolle has been burnt a lot. I didn't see him burnt as much this year, especially when he was in the "rover" position.

I will give you that one. The problem is that we need an above average FS just be average do to our below average corners and A-dubs lack of coverage skills.

 

[DaisyCutter]

FROM PFT - take it with a grain of salt


We're told that the Jets, Lions, and Broncos are talking about a deal that would send Detroit defensive tackle Shaun Rogers to New York, Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson to the Broncos, and Denver cornerback Dominique Foxworth and a second-round pick to the Lions.

The Lions also are looking at a trade for Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma

Mitch had it right - Denver is willing to give up Foxworth and a pick dewayne robertson, then imagine what they would give up for Fitz. With Baby TO and Fitz, they can let go Walker.

They're willing to give that up for a DT because they don't have anyone good at DT. They have two good players at WR, and they have a run-first offense. They'll give that up because they stunk at run defense last season.

 

[lobo]

Once we pay Fitz this huge sum of money, Boldin will request the same amount.....

I believe you are right...we cannot afford to pay to wr's outrageous money....that is why it makes sense to belly up to the bar an trade Fitz as great as he is. Can't afford the size of the investment in those two players.

 

[WildBB]

[*]Do I really need to address that we only have 2 CBs. Hood is very good and a legit #1 IMO, but we either need a 1st rounder who can play the #2 from the get go or a speedy shifty guy like tracy Porter who can line up in the nickle and cover the slot. Having a 4th CB that can actually come in the game and be immediately targetted and destroyed wouldn't hurt either IMO. I am hoping and praying Travarous Bain learned a lot on the PS last year, but who knows?

What do you think of Kenny Phillips S from Miami if he's available? What about another S and draft a CB as well and keep Rolle as the slot CB?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

What do you think of Kenny Phillips S from Miami if he's available . What about another S and draft a CB as well and keep Rolle as the slot CB?

Rolle is better suited to be a safety. I'd rather you keep Rolle at S, and draft DRC, Talib, Jenkins, Cason, whatever.

 

[WildBB]

Rolle is better suited to be a safety. I'd rather you keep Rolle at S, and draft DRC, Talib, Jenkins, Cason, whatever.

We won't know that for sure until the games start. He'll probobly be better than he was at CB but that ain't sayin alot right now.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

We won't know that for sure until the games start. He'll probobly be better than he was at CB but that ain't sayin alot right now.

Donald is convinced that he will play at a pro bowl level at safety next year. I am convinced that he will be better than he was at CB, and than Holt was last year.

 

[WildBB]

Donald is convinced that he will play at a pro bowl level at safety next year. I am convinced that he will be better than he was at CB, and than Holt was last year.

Which again, ain't sayin much. I think he'll be better than Holt. How could he not be.

 

[Duckjake]

* Calvin Pace is soooooooooooo much more important to this team than many of you think. He was our most consistent defender last year and contrary to what many here would think, was statistically better than any of our other LBs.

I agree with this but that can be addressed in the draft as we still have Chike and Berry at that position while the rook gets up to speed. The rookie should be ready just about the time Berry gets hurt half way through the season.

* Rolle has shown absolutely nothing to prove that he will be any better than Holt thusfar. He has made some plays, but has been burnt time and time again. The biggest ingredient to a good FS is smarts and patience, not gambles and int return skills.

Like other posters I think Rolle is going to be a solid free safety so we'll just have to disagree on this one.

* Pope and Patrick caught some balls last year, but also dropped a few and made more penalties than most offensive lines. Neither has learned to block worth a damn. Pope also broke his ankle last year.

Our TE's caught more TD passes last year than in any one season since the early 1990's. The name of the game is scoring. A third blocking TE can be had for the minimum salary. Patrick imo is going to be the real deal.

* Do you love our D-line?? While I think he will be much improved this year, Branch has shown nothing yet. That leaves us with zero behind our starters.

Dockett, Watson and Smith? I sure do like it. We can get a DE in the draft. Rodney Bailey is a decent backup at DE and Branch will only get better, just like Dockett has.

* Do I really need to address that we only have 2 CBs. Hood is very good and a legit #1 IMO, but we either need a 1st rounder who can play the #2 from the get go or a speedy shifty guy like tracy Porter who can line up in the nickle and cover the slot. Having a 4th CB that can actually come in the game and be immediately targetted and destroyed wouldn't hurt either IMO. I am hoping and praying Travarous Bain learned a lot on the PS last year, but who knows?

This is the #1 position to address in the draft imo.

* Leinart gets one more serious injury and we have to find a QB who drank more milk when he was a kid.

If something happens to Leinart the franchise is set back 5 years no matter who gets paid what.

* We need a punter ASAP
* Rackers couldn't hit from 32 to win against the niners. What do you think his kicks would look like in the playoffs??

I don't think the Cards have shown any indication that they were going to go out and sign a high dollar punter or kicker in FA. But then when I was talking about the team being a contender for the title I forgot about Gagers so I'll have to give you that one. But Fitz contract won't affect the K position imo and punters can be had for minimum money just like a third TE.

 

[NightHawk11and81]

Arent they trying to trade Walker themselves so they dont have to pay a WR big money.

Nope, they just went ahead and cut him.

 

[Zeno]

Bump.

 

[Shzm13]

Mitch, you fooooool!

 

[Shogun]

Over half of the forum, you fooooools!

Fixed that.

Hilarious threads.