Trade Kyler Murray while his stock is still hot for 3 first round picks

[Cards_Campos]

LOL. I had this thought but didn’t want to post it. We’re nowhere without Murray; I think he’s playing himself into a fifth-year option instead of a huge extension at the new league year though.

You guys have lost your minds. Are you guys the same people that I had to argue with about Lienart playing over Warner!?!? It’s insane to think you guys would want to trade Murray?? He has had 2 bad games. You guys don’t remember Farve who use to throw bad passes. Mahomes does it all the time. Jesus. This is insane you guys are beyond....

 

[Arz101]

Kyler Murray is going to end with less overall TDs in year 3 than year 2 with a better cast of receivers, RBs and improved play calling. Also Kyler Murray missed more games in year 3 than year 1 and 2.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Seriously this is the dumbest post ever!!! Lamar Jackson , Mahomes. Murray. They take chances and make mistakes. But they are elite players who no defense wants to play. Detroit didn’t figure it out. Cardinals flew their new plane down their and thought Detroit was going for the first pick of the draft. They took the game lightly snd in the NFL you can’t do that. What is Tom Brady now done because he has looked bad 2 of the last 4 weeks. Kurt Warner use to make bad passes and turn the ball over. We need bring out those threads. Man the reason why the Cardinals are the same Cardinals sometimes is because of a lot of the fan base. You can’t have good things happen if all you do is believe they won’t.

 

[gmabel830]

So you want to trade our franchise QB for three more inside linebackers? Bold strategy Cotton!

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Most QBs take time to be as good as Rodgers and Brady just saying. The mighty Brady got shut out and played crappy at home doesn’t make him suck. The NFL can be brutal every week any team can win!

Rodgers sat for 3 years (1 start in year 3) and Kyler will have 40+ starts in his 1st 3 years. Even after sitting for 3 years, it took Rodgers until his 4th year of starting (2011) to have a really dominate year as QB. He was ok - good his 1st 3 years starting, but exploded his 4th year. I wonder if it will take KM until next year to really put it all together.

 

[Russ Smith]

Real question. Would you trade Murray for Rodgers straight up?

No because of the age and his contract status. if they were the same age yes, not because of anything with Kyler but because Rodgers is one of the 5 best QB's in history

 

[Russ Smith]

I would trade him for Watson and a 3rd

We have no idea if/when Watson will play in an NFL game again. Literally 2 days ago we found out a judge signed search warrants to get access to Watson's social media accounts in connection to the sexual charges and we found out the FBI is also investigating him because it appears in multiple cases he paid for massage therapists to travel across state lines, so if he did what they said he did he committed a federal crime because they crossed state lines.

He may be the victim of one of the biggest frame jobs in history, his agent still insists they're confident he's going to be playing next year, but right now it would be a massive risk for a team that has a QB to trade for him. Teams that don't yeah maybe the risk is worth it.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Kyler Murray is going to end with less overall TDs in year 3 than year 2 with a better cast of receivers, RBs and improved play calling. Also Kyler Murray missed more games in year 3 than year 1 and 2.

Reread you last sentence and that answers any questions of your 1st sentence.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

No because of the age and his contract status. if they were the same age yes, not because of anything with Kyler but because Rodgers is one of the 5 best QB's in history

Check my post on this. If they were the same age, you'd be trading Murray with 40+ starts for Rodgers with maybe 1 start. We can't hypothecate Rodgers future, if we're using age as a reason for not trading. If you want to look at stats of Murray and Rodgers 1st 3 years, and not age, I don't think they are far off from on another. Like I mentioned in my other post, Rodgers was ok to good his 1st 3 years, but exploded and became AROD in year 4 of actually playing. Maybe it will be the same for Murray.

 

[Arz101]

Reread you last sentence and that answers any questions of your 1st sentence.

assuming no Injuries and giving Murray a few more TDs will result in a season on par with last. Note that this is a 17 game season.

Without Murray Cardinals are a 5 win team. At the same time Murray's progression was not there this season for a third year player with improved cast and play calling.

Great news is Murray's floor is extremely high. Question is is this Murray's ceiling too?

 

[Russ Smith]

Check my post on this. If they were the same age, you'd be trading Murray with 40+ starts for Rodgers with maybe 1 start. We can't hypothecate Rodgers future, if we're using age as a reason for not trading. If you want to look at stats of Murray and Rodgers 1st 3 years, and not age, I don't think they are far off from on another. Like I mentioned in my other post, Rodgers was ok to good his 1st 3 years, but exploded and became AROD in year 4 of actually playing. Maybe it will be the same for Murray.

I guess I took liberties I assumed the person asking the question was meaning as good as Rodgers is would you trade Kyler for him even at his age. My comment was no unless they were the same age. yes you are right about reality but I didn't consider the question to be realistic so I answered it assuming Rodgers was kyler's age, but at the peak of Rodgers' career.

I said last week I think the Cards can and WILL win a SB with Kyler, he played terribly yesterday he has to be better but the talent is still undeniable.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

assuming no Injuries and giving Murray a few more TDs will result in a season on par with last. Note that this is a 17 game season.

Without Murray Cardinals are a 5 win team. At the same time Murray's progression was not there this season for a third year player with improved cast and play calling.

Great news is Murray's floor is extremely high. Question is is this Murray's ceiling too?

2019: 232 passing yards per game, 1.25 passing TD's per game, 87.4 Rating
2020: 248 passing yards per game, 1.625 passing TD's per game, 94.3 Rating
2021: 276 passing yards per game, 1.8 passing TD's per game, 102.3 Rating

In every measurable passing statistic, he is above 2020, not on par. Could/should any of it be higher? Maybe. He's missed open receivers...had TD's dropped...taken dumb sacks...Even with all of that, he's still having a better passing year in 2021 than 2020 and it's exponentially better than 2019. I agree with you though, this team would struggle to win 5 games without him. Also, I'll say again, it took AROD until year 7 (4th year starting) to actually become AROD. His stats the 1st 3 years starting are not far from Murray.

 

[Russ Smith]

Reread you last sentence and that answers any questions of your 1st sentence.

And of course the other reason is the emergence of Conner in the redzone means less rushing TD's for Kyler.

 

[Minski]

This has got to be one of the most ridiculous threads I have ever seen

 

[Arizona_Steve]

I always wonder what happens if Kyler decides he's had enough and goes back to Baseball. I assume there is no compensation for the Cardinals.

 

[TRW]

I always wonder what happens if Kyler decides he's had enough and goes back to Baseball. I assume there is no compensation for the Cardinals.

If I remember correctly the Cards did not put anything prohibiting him from doing that. I assume he would go and they would get nothing.

 

[Stout]

Of course we aren't trading him, and of course we aren't giving up on him. My concern is, how long are we going to trot out the "oh, but he's still young" and "there's so much time for him to improve" schtick? How many years does he get this total cop-out excuse? Does it end in year 4? The end of his rookie deal? Because, let's be honest, you don't give mega deals to players you hope eventually get it--you give them to players who ARE MEGA PLAYERS. He is anything but at this point.

 

[kerouac9]

2019: 232 passing yards per game, 1.25 passing TD's per game, 87.4 Rating
2020: 248 passing yards per game, 1.625 passing TD's per game, 94.3 Rating
2021: 276 passing yards per game, 1.8 passing TD's per game, 102.3 Rating

In every measurable passing statistic, he is above 2020, not on par. Could/should any of it be higher? Maybe. He's missed open receivers...had TD's dropped...taken dumb sacks...Even with all of that, he's still having a better passing year in 2021 than 2020 and it's exponentially better than 2019. I agree with you though, this team would struggle to win 5 games without him. Also, I'll say again, it took AROD until year 7 (4th year starting) to actually become AROD. His stats the 1st 3 years starting are not far from Murray.

Yards? TDs? Is he any better in December, when the game matter most?

Mr. October.

 

[AustrianCardFan]

Yards? TDs? Is he any better in December, when the game matter most?

Mr. October.

Is there actually any statistic that shows that let's say 11-5, 10-6, 9-7 teams that win a great part of their games in december make it any further on average in the playoffs than teams that win more at the beginning of the season? I know people always talk about "getting hot for the playoffs at the right time" but are there any numbers behind that sentiment? I am really curious because to me the playoffs seem almost like a total restart. But maybe that's just because it seems like forever since our last playoff game...

 

[TJ]

I'm not trading Kyler at the moment, but I'm certainly not extending him this offseason.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Is there actually any statistic that shows that let's say 11-5, 10-6, 9-7 teams that win a great part of their games in december make it any further on average in the playoffs than teams that win more at the beginning of the season? I know people always talk about "getting hot for the playoffs at the right time" but are there any numbers behind that sentiment? I am really curious because to me the playoffs seem almost like a total restart. But maybe that's just because it seems like forever since our last playoff game...

The 2008 Cardinals, in the last 3 weeks of the regular season lost 2 games and looked awful (Actually lost 4 of the last 6 games that year, sound familiar?)...Then won the last game against Seattle, plus 3 straight playoff games to get to the SuperBowl. So they weren't necessarily "Hot" heading into the playoffs, other than winning the last game of the year, but they got hot in the 1st playoff game and road that to the SB.

 

[TJ]

Yards? TDs? Is he any better in December, when the game matter most?

Mr. October.

Mr. October would do Kyler wonders in the MLB.

Just saying

 

[LoyalRam]

Just to let you know, Rams fans are mocking this site due to this thread. Kyler is a short dude who can be wickedly accurate. He is probably your best QB since Warner. He is an absolute pain in the ass if he escapes contain and then throws downfield. He is tiny nd seems more vulnerable to injury and getting worn out by season’s end.

Just remember what you suffered over many wasted picks to get a QB and all the lost seasons necessary to pick high in the draft. So you really want to go through that again? If I was a Cards fan, I’d want the best Oline in the NFL to protect the little guy and maybe fire your GM. I’m a Rams fan since 1969 and so I am a hater,so take my bs with a grain of salt…I know I wouldn’t want to trade him as of now if I was a fan…

 

[DeAnna]

Where is the snippet where K1 was quoted as saying "it was a physical game - I wish we knew it was going to be."

OMG ... he was getting roasted for that, lol. Did he think they were gonna play softball?

 

[kerouac9]

Is there actually any statistic that shows that let's say 11-5, 10-6, 9-7 teams that win a great part of their games in december make it any further on average in the playoffs than teams that win more at the beginning of the season? I know people always talk about "getting hot for the playoffs at the right time" but are there any numbers behind that sentiment? I am really curious because to me the playoffs seem almost like a total restart. But maybe that's just because it seems like forever since our last playoff game...

It's always a small sample size problem, but let's look back at the past few seasons (teams in Bold are Super Bowl entrants, teams underlined are in the conference championship game):

2020
KC - (14-2 overall, 4-1 after 12/1)
BUF - (13-3, 5-0 after 12/1)
PIT - 12-4, 1-4 after 12/1
TEN - 11-5, 3-2 after 12/1
BAL - 11-5, 5-1 after 12/1
CLE - 11-5, 3-2 after 12/1
IND - 11-5, 4-1 after 12/31

GB - 13-3, 5-0 after 12/1)
NO - 12-4, 3-2 after 12/1
SEA - 12-4, 4-1 after 12/1
WAS - 7-9, 3-2 after 12/1
TB - 11-5, 4-0 after 12/1
LAR - 10-6, 3-2 after 12/1
CHI - 8-8, 3-2 after 12/1

2019
BAL - 14-2, 5-0 after 12/1
KC - 12-4, 5-0 after 12/1
NE - 12-4, 2-3 after 12/1
HOU - 10-6, 3-2 after 12/1
BUF - 10-6, 1-3 after 12/1
TEN - 9-7 - 3-2 after 12/1

SF - 13-3, 3-2 after 12/1
GB - 13-3, 5-0 after 12/1
NO - 13-3, 3-1 after 12/1
PHI - 9-7, 4-1 after 12/1
SEA - 11-5, 2-3 after 12/1
MIN - 10-6, 2-3 after 12/1