Trevor Ariza to Washington for Kelly Oubre and Austin Rivers.

[devilalum]

Even when when Ayton is there for the lob, he'll be off on his passes too. He just has trouble executing the pass itself. I don't like the swing one arm cross court passes too.

I really hoped the Booker/Ayton PNR would become a staple. It seems like Ayton is better at it than Booker. Ayton s numbers would be ridiculous right now if he was playing with Steve Nash.


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[AzStevenCal]

I really hoped the Booker/Ayton PNR would become a staple. It seems like Ayton is better at it than Booker. Ayton s numbers would be ridiculous right now if he was playing with Steve Nash.

Booker's not bad at it when they actually run the pick and roll, it's the passes to Ayton from distance that account for many of his turnovers. But I agree, I'd like to see it become a regular part of our attack. And yes, Ayton's numbers would be even better with Nash out there but just imagine what Booker's game might look like with Steve setting him up.

 

[1Sun]

I really hoped the Booker/Ayton PNR would become a staple. It seems like Ayton is better at it than Booker. Ayton s numbers would be ridiculous right now if he was playing with Steve Nash.


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Or any legitimate NBA point guard.

 

[1Sun]

Booker's not bad at it when they actually run the pick and roll, it's the passes to Ayton from distance that account for many of his turnovers. But I agree, I'd like to see it become a regular part of our attack. And yes, Ayton's numbers would be even better with Nash out there but just imagine what Booker's game might look like with Steve setting him up.

Look at Klay Thompson's numbers and results since 2014 with Curry feeding him, and you have your answer...

 

[Hoop Head]

I think part of the issue with the Booker/Ayton PNR is that Booker didn't participate in training camp. They've had to learn as they go and it's better now than it was that first week of the season but with a training camp under their belt they should be able to work out the kinks.

 

[elindholm]

I think part of the issue with the Booker/Ayton PNR is that Booker didn't participate in training camp.

Maybe, but the main issue is that Booker is a below-average passer for an NBA guard.

 

[95pro]

I think part of the issue with the Booker/Ayton PNR is that Booker didn't participate in training camp. They've had to learn as they go and it's better now than it was that first week of the season but with a training camp under their belt they should be able to work out the kinks.

I thought he did go to camp, there were videos of his using only his left hand for passing and shooting.

 

[devilalum]

I especially think the Suns second unit is getting there on defense with Oubre, Jackson and Holmes.

In the second quarter of the Magic game he put the all defense second team out there and it completely changed the flow of the game.


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[Hoop Head]

I thought he did go to camp, there were videos of his using only his left hand for passing and shooting.

He was at camp but he didn't fully participate and as far as I know he didn't take part in any sort of scrimmages because of his hand. Even if he did, he's now passing with his dominant hand so it's quite a bit different.

 

[Mainstreet]

In the second quarter of the Magic game he put the all defense second team out there and it completely changed the flow of the game.

It's getting so I like waiting for the second unit to come into the game.

In the Magic game all four Suns bench players had a + in the (+/-) column.

 

[devilalum]

It's getting so I like waiting for the second unit to come into the game.

In the Magic game all four Suns bench players had a + in the (+/-) column.

It’s not that Oubre is the best player but he definitely seems like the missing piece to the rotation. Before the Suns added him it felt like they just didn’t have enough NBA quality players to fill the minutes in a game.


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[Mainstreet]

It’s not that Oubre is the best player but he definitely seems like the missing piece to the rotation. Before the Suns added him it felt like they just didn’t have enough NBA quality players to fill the minutes in a game.

I think this is a good description. Holmes, Jackson and Oubre all bring defense but Oubre brings a unique blend of offense and defense. He adds another NBA talent to the team.

 

[SirStefan32]

It’s not that Oubre is the best player but he definitely seems like the missing piece to the rotation. Before the Suns added him it felt like they just didn’t have enough NBA quality players to fill the minutes in a game.


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Yes, absolutely! He gives them that fourth option who can not only score, but create his own shot. He can shoot, drive to the hoop, and he defends. In my opinion, he is providing the Suns with what they hoped Ariza was going to do. Crawford, Oubre, Holmes, Jackson, and one of the starters is actually a good unit, especially defensively when Bridges plays with them, but they have a little bit of scoring there as well.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yes, absolutely! He gives them that fourth option who can not only score, but create his own shot. He can shoot, drive to the hoop, and he defends. In my opinion, he is providing the Suns with what they hoped Ariza was going to do. Crawford, Oubre, Holmes, Jackson, and one of the starters is actually a good unit, especially defensively when Bridges plays with them, but they have a little bit of scoring there as well.

If the Gizzlies had stayed in the Ariza trade, I always thought they were getting the best player in Oubre although I liked Dillon Brooks as well.

The thing about Oubre, the Wizards did not have the money to pay him in free agency.

Whether planned or not, the Suns got the best player out of that trade.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Not sure how to look that up, but I think you are right.

BBall reference lineup info has some insight on this: https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2019/lineups/

Short answer, you guys are on to something.

The current starting lineup (Melton, Booker, Bridges, Warren, Ayton) is +1.2 total rebounds. Most of the really bad rebounding lineups are with players who are no longer playing or on the team (Ariza, Canaan, Anderson). The only current lineup with poor rebounding numbers is the all bench lineup of Crawford, Bridges, Holmes, Jackson and Oubre, though with a really small sample size.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If the Gizzlies had stayed in the Ariza trade, I always thought they were getting the best player in Oubre although I liked Dillon Brooks as well.

The thing about Oubre, the Wizards did not have the money to pay him in free agency.

Whether planned or not, the Suns got the best player out of that trade.

It seems clear to me that Oubre is a better player than Dillon Brooks, but Brooks is not a free agent this summer. A bit of serendipity that Memphis pulled out of the trade, I think. Wizards ended up taking less than they originally wanted, and we got more.

 

[Mainstreet]

It seems clear to me that Oubre is a better player than Dillon Brooks, but Brooks is not a free agent this summer. A bit of serendipity that Memphis pulled out of the trade, I think. Wizards ended up taking less than they originally wanted, and we got more.

I think serendipity is a good word for it. Brooks was probably more attractive to the Suns because of his contract but I think Oubre is the better player.

I'm hoping the Suns keep Oubre in free agency this summer as we already know he adds another NBA talent.

 

[devilalum]

If the Gizzlies had stayed in the Ariza trade, I always thought they were getting the best player in Oubre although I liked Dillon Brooks as well.

The thing about Oubre, the Wizards did not have the money to pay him in free agency.

Whether planned or not, the Suns got the best player out of that trade.

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Dillon Brooks was never in the trade!

 

[BC867]

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Dillon Brooks was never in the trade!

Where did you find that photo of Robert Sarver?

 

[Raindog]

I said from the moment that the "revised" trade went through, Oubre was a far better outcome than what had originally been proposed... and by a good bit.

So it's nice to see the Suns finally did something right in a trade, albeit by stumbling ass-backwards into it.

 

[Mainstreet]

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Dillon Brooks was never in the trade!

The Grizzlies backed out of the trade because of a misunderstanding.

Either way, the Suns got the best player in the trade.

 

[Hoop Head]

This is being reported by one of the writers from Bright Side of the Sun. Apparently Oubre is buying what the Suns are selling. Maybe we can make it work.

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[Phrazbit]

He will go to the highest bidder... and at his age he should.

But, unless he shows massive improvement, I don't think he's going to get any large offers this summer. I suspect something like... 2 years/6-8 mil per year will be his value, maybe less when we get more metric stats to chew on. I'd be fine bringing him back at that kind of rate, but only if we've already addressed more obvious holes in the roster. Like PG and either extending Holmes or signing another one or 2 rotation quality PF/C players.

 

[Hoop Head]

One thing I'd like to see the league change is giving teams the ability to negotiate and extend contracts of it's own players prior to the draft. If not prior to the draft then giving teams a couple of days head start on negotiating with it's own free agents before the free for all that starts on July 1st, when every free agent can talk to any team and start agreeing to deals. Allowing a short window for teams to resign their own players would also help slow down player movement and give teams more of advantage to retain their own players. There is already a financial incentive for players to stay with the team that drafted them but that doesn't make a difference a lot of times, unless it's a max player. Giving them a couple days before the draft would also help teams address their needs a little better in the draft. Of course players could still decline to sign then and enter normal free agency also but having that decision done a week or two before free agency opens could be a welcome option for a lot of players.

There has been calls for moving free agency before the draft or the draft after free agency for a while now, similar to the NFL, and that would do it to a certain extent. It could help teams like Cleveland a ton when they know their franchise player isn't resigning there so then they can make some more trades during the draft to start rebuilding ASAP instead of being stuck pitching the player like everyone else and hoping what they did at the draft works for them in a rebuild or if they're to remain competitive.

Just thought I'd throw that idea out there in this thread since it's turned into an early offseason planning thread with the resign Oubre and Holmes talk.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

He will go to the highest bidder... and at his age he should.

But, unless he shows massive improvement, I don't think he's going to get any large offers this summer. I suspect something like... 2 years/6-8 mil per year will be his value, maybe less when we get more metric stats to chew on. I'd be fine bringing him back at that kind of rate, but only if we've already addressed more obvious holes in the roster. Like PG and either extending Holmes or signing another one or 2 rotation quality PF/C players.

There are 12 teams with over 20 million in practical cap space. 8 with over 40 million.

He is getting 12-14 million