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Why Steve? Why do you hate Cardinals fans?

I actually think he'll end up being good but yet another example of a high draft pick that's not ready for soem reason. I know he was hurt in camp and preseason but that's why he can't avoid penalties? The double team thing wasn't him Ingram came in and blocked a guy he was already blocking but he had several today again. He can't block which is a big problem since Ertz can't either.

But I think mcBride will eventually be good but we needed an impact guy somewhere this year and didn't get it
 
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I actually think he'll end up being good but yet another example of a high draft pick that's not ready for soem reason. I know he was hurt in camp and preseason but that's why he can't avoid penalties? The double team thing wasn't him Ingram came in and blocked a guy he was already blocking but he had several today again. He can't block which is a big problem since Ertz can't either.

But I think mcBride will eventually be good but we needed an impact guy somewhere this year and didn't get it
This is the problem. McBride is not even serviceable for a second round pick. Why in second round?
 

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This is the problem. McBride is not even serviceable for a second round pick. Why in second round?

I think because of ertz and because he was hurt. I think if we didn't have Ertz and he was the primary TE we'd be seeing glimpses of what he can do. But he's the 2nd TE and he's being asked to primarily block and that's not his thing.

And because of Ertz, Kyler is still not on the same page as McBride, he trusts Zach, he doesn't trust Trey yet IMO. I've seen several times in recent games where he's wide open but Kyler throws somewhere else.

I like the kid but we need an impact from our 2nd rounder npow
 

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I think because of ertz and because he was hurt. I think if we didn't have Ertz and he was the primary TE we'd be seeing glimpses of what he can do. But he's the 2nd TE and he's being asked to primarily block and that's not his thing.

And because of Ertz, Kyler is still not on the same page as McBride, he trusts Zach, he doesn't trust Trey yet IMO. I've seen several times in recent games where he's wide open but Kyler throws somewhere else.

I like the kid but we need an impact from our 2nd rounder npow
I agree with you, and all these are the epitome of roster mismanagement.

When McBride got drafted, all I heard was how he loves to block and is the best blocking TE in this draft and that he will be the ultimate replacement for both Ertz and Maxx. But now he seems can't block at all......

The offense, Qb, and coaching are a total failure if your second TE can't even get balls thrown to him even being wide open. If that one TE is all that Kyler can read, why even drafted the second one in the 2 round given the first TE just got resigned for 3 more years?
 

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Give the kid a break. Rookies make mistakes and TE is one of the more difficult transitions in the league. The demands on an NFL tight end are vastly different to college.

I was more pissed at Ertz false start penalty for not getting in stance on time.

Maybe we would think differently of McBride's value as a 2nd round pick if he actually ever got a target. He was one of the best receiving tight ends in college which was why he was picked where he was and he'd had 3 targets in about 140 snaps (and caught all 3)
 
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Give the kid a break. Rookies make mistakes and TE is one of the more difficult transitions in the league. The demands on an NFL tight end are vastly different to college.

I was more pissed at Ertz false start penalty for not getting in stance on time.

Maybe we would think differently of McBride's value as a 2nd round pick if he actually ever got a target. He was one of the best receiving tight ends in college which was why he was picked where he was and he'd had 3 targets in about 140 snaps (and caught all 3)
Is this a defense of the "we have a top TE room in the league" statements? Because no, we don't. For whatever reason, McBride is a nobody at this point. Maybe someday he'll develop, but he's at best a JAG right now. Probably not even on that level yet.
 
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Give the kid a break. Rookies make mistakes and TE is one of the more difficult transitions in the league. The demands on an NFL tight end are vastly different to college.

I was more pissed at Ertz false start penalty for not getting in stance on time.

Maybe we would think differently of McBride's value as a 2nd round pick if he actually ever got a target. He was one of the best receiving tight ends in college which was why he was picked where he was and he'd had 3 targets in about 140 snaps (and caught all 3)
This shows either a disconnect between Coach needs and what GM provides or Keim providing sub optimal players..I don't which so I wish they are both gone..Four years of same losing with bouts of some positivity sprinkled in
 

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Is this a defense of the "we have a top TE room in the league" statements? Because no, we don't. For whatever reason, McBride is a nobody at this point. Maybe someday he'll develop, but he's at best a JAG right now. Probably not even on that level yet.

Sigh. No it's a defense of a rookie tight end that I said pre season would take time to adjust because TE is a difficult adjustment. Often takes a couple of years for TE's to find their NFL feet.

And had Maxx Williams been fully fit or not psychologically concerned about his knee I still stand by Ertz, Williams and McBride being one of the best rooms in the league. Because it would be.
 

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Sigh. No it's a defense of a rookie tight end that I said pre season would take time to adjust because TE is a difficult adjustment. Often takes a couple of years for TE's to find their NFL feet.

And had Maxx Williams been fully fit or not psychologically concerned about his knee I still stand by Ertz, Williams and McBride being one of the best rooms in the league. Because it would be.
Ah bup bup bup, you weren't qualifying your comments then, so don't move the goal posts now. I guess I can assume you no longer feel this is a top TE room in the league. Although I don't know why you put McBride on the list. Might as well just say "...and Joe Schmoe the TE" right now. Except I hear Joe isn't penalty prone lol
 

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Give the kid a break. Rookies make mistakes and TE is one of the more difficult transitions in the league. The demands on an NFL tight end are vastly different to college.

I was more pissed at Ertz false start penalty for not getting in stance on time.

Maybe we would think differently of McBride's value as a 2nd round pick if he actually ever got a target. He was one of the best receiving tight ends in college which was why he was picked where he was and he'd had 3 targets in about 140 snaps (and caught all 3)
Yeah this handwringing is going to look pretty dumb if McBride works out. It's early.
 

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hoped for more by now, but this board has a habit of giving up on players so early in their career.

was just thinking: when was the last time the Cards got a boost from a rookie? David Johnson?
 

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McBride could still work out fine, although I am highly skeptical, but having him on the field right now is hurting us. He is an awful blocker, and he was penalized on 10% of his snaps yesterday. He even killed an entire drive with back to back penalties.

That isn't a case of the position being too hard, as evidenced by plenty of rookie TEs who contribute. He just isn't very good right now.
 

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Yeah this handwringing is going to look pretty dumb if McBride works out. It's early.
Nothing against McBride, but it's just so depressing to continue to see Keim used high picks on rookies who can't make any impact on the field while other teams' draft picks contribute as starters.

If McBride works out, great. We really need that, but is it a smart idea to keep picking players HIGH when they can't contribute immediately?
 

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I agree with you, and all these are the epitome of roster mismanagement.

When McBride got drafted, all I heard was how he loves to block and is the best blocking TE in this draft and that he will be the ultimate replacement for both Ertz and Maxx. But now he seems can't block at all......

The offense, Qb, and coaching are a total failure if your second TE can't even get balls thrown to him even being wide open. If that one TE is all that Kyler can read, why even drafted the second one in the 2 round given the first TE just got resigned for 3 more years?

I guess I wasn't paying attention on draft day because I thought the book on him was good receiver not a good blocker so the blocking part hasn't surprised me. I like the kid again my issue was and I said this after the draft, if we're going to play 2 TE's then I like this pick, and frankly I like playing 2 TE's. But given the capital we've expended at WR, trade for D Hop, trade for Hollywood, drafting Rondale, it seemed unlikely to me we were going to play him enough to justify a 2nd rounder.
 

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Sigh. No it's a defense of a rookie tight end that I said pre season would take time to adjust because TE is a difficult adjustment. Often takes a couple of years for TE's to find their NFL feet.

And had Maxx Williams been fully fit or not psychologically concerned about his knee I still stand by Ertz, Williams and McBride being one of the best rooms in the league. Because it would be.
This.
 

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Yeah this handwringing is going to look pretty dumb if McBride works out. It's early.
If he does, I don't think anyone will be upset to be proven wrong. At this point, he'd have to do a lot, starting immediately, to justify his draft status. In the modern NFL, 2nd round picks have to contribute immediately. He's contributing, but it's negatively.
 

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He is not good and doesnt have potential. Doesn't get open and doesn't break tackles.

Prob would have gone undrafted
 
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