TSN's new mock - 2 rounds

[Chainthroer]

Krang-
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I find your "bitch" comment totally improper and inappropriate for this forum!!!!

 

[Zeno]

Drafting a receiver would be a totally idiotic move. What could this writer be thinking? We have perhaps the best top to bottom receiving corps in the NFL and the worst running games in the NFL. So we cure our problems by drafting a receiver (Duh!). What do we do? Sit Boldin or Fitz?I cannot believe this organization is so dumb as to draft a receiver and I could care less if some consider him BPA. I am just going to write this off as a case of an uninformed writer.

He isn't a WR he's a TE, have you read anything else being written in this thread?

I don't think TE is a huge need on the team though. But if Green truly believes he is some freak of nature that will change the TE position then I wouldn't be surprised. I haven't seen him play at all so I have no idea what he is capable of.

 

[Redrage]

Another question.... How many of these tight ends were 1st rounders?

Tony Gonzalez
Todd Heap
Jeramy Shockey

And tight end isn't the explosive threat that many make it out to be. Sure it's nice to have a top flight tight end, but it's better to have a top flight QB, RB, DE, LT, WR, CB....Basically tight end is a position to be addressed AFTER round 1 IMO.

I love when people (no offense Kerouac) try to say so and so will redefine a position or is the best player to come out in 10 years at a certain position. It's just hype until it's proven on the field.

Good to see you posting little brother.

Gonzales, Heap and Gates are the exception to the rule and in most seasons even they have less impact than an elite WR. We have glaring needs at several key positions so picking a tightend would be foolish.

 

[Assface]

Maybe, Bach, but I don't think all those guys were starters as rookies, either. I know that Gates and Crumpler were playing behind people. And even then, where the TE is most important--the red zone--Bergen came up well short.

FYI Gates started 11 games as a rookie and Crumpler started 12.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

The past few years TSN has either had our first two picks correctly or been darn close.

I agree with DG flinching on a TE first rounder.

CB in round two is also stretching it a bit.

Depending on what we do in free agency I'd rather go safety and DT or an offensive juggernaut like a RB or a QB.

 

[joeshmo]

We have glaring needs at several key positions so picking a tightend would be foolish.

But can we still say your statement after FA is over with. If we can fix our RB and OL situation, I have no problems taking a TE on the first day and if that is a 1st day TE who really plays the H-Back role in Marylands Offense the same position that Green likes to use, then so be it.

But if we dont fix the OL and RB spots in FA then I am with everyone else on this thread.

 

[ajcardfan]

This is a terrific year for TEs. That's the main reason I'd hate to see us take Davis at #10. Many good ones will be drafted in the first four rounds.

 

[kerouac9]

This is a terrific year for TEs. That's the main reason I'd hate to see us take Davis at #10. Many good ones will be drafted in the first four rounds.

2003 was supposed to be a great year for WRs, but we got the best one in the class despite the fact that we already had a developing first round pick and the best rookie in the draft the prior year.

Good teams don't get better by drafing by need or settling for secondary talent. Vernon Davis may be the Larry Fitzgerald of this draft.

 

[ajcardfan]

2003 was supposed to be a great year for WRs, but we got the best one in the class despite the fact that we already had a developing first round pick and the best rookie in the draft the prior year.

Good teams don't get better by drafing by need or settling for secondary talent. Vernon Davis may be the Larry Fitzgerald of this draft.

If he is the highest rated player on the board, by a good margin, then yes, take him. I'll live with it, if that's how good they think he is. I totally believe in free agency for needs and BPA in the draft. However, circumstances can rule out some positions. For example, picking a WR at #10, this year, would be pretty stupid. See, I think we'll be in a spot at #10 where there are other positions with players we rate as highly as Davis. In that situation, it is appropriate to look at the depth of those positions and take into consideration which ones will have good players remaining in later rounds.

In my mind though, he's not clearly all that much better than Leonard Pope or Dominique Byrd or Lewis, etc. It's not like he had the dominant sort of career that Larry Fitzgerald had. That comparison is a heck of a stretch.

 

[Cardiac]

But can we still say your statement after FA is over with. If we can fix our RB and OL situation, I have no problems taking a TE on the first day and if that is a 1st day TE who really plays the H-Back role in Marylands Offense the same position that Green likes to use, then so be it.

But if we dont fix the OL and RB spots in FA then I am with everyone else on this thread.

Exactly.

 

[BACH]

But can we still say your statement after FA is over with. If we can fix our RB and OL situation, I have no problems taking a TE on the first day and if that is a 1st day TE who really plays the H-Back role in Marylands Offense the same position that Green likes to use, then so be it.

But if we dont fix the OL and RB spots in FA then I am with everyone else on this thread.

In principle, I agree.

The three biggest need are clearly OL, DT and RB and we fix those needs then we should go BPA. If Davis indeed is the BPA then be it, but I still think that other players would make a bigger impact on the team.

The TE position is not that important on this team (compared to other teams), because the mainly work as a dump-off over the middle in 3-WR sets and Bergen and Edwards both showed huge improvement in this season. Given that I just think a FS, OLB, MLB and QBOF would help this team that much more.

 

[Cardiac]

In principle, I agree.

The three biggest need are clearly OL, DT and RB and we fix those needs then we should go BPA. If Davis indeed is the BPA then be it, but I still think that other players would make a bigger impact on the team.

The TE position is not that important on this team (compared to other teams), because the mainly work as a dump-off over the middle in 3-WR sets and Bergen and Edwards both showed huge improvement in this season. Given that I just think a FS, OLB, MLB and QBOF would help this team that much more.

I agree that Bergen and Edwards are solid TE's. One of them may even develop to be strong contributors. The drafting of Davis would have to be a BPA strategy. Even if our current schemes don't highlight the TE enough they could be altered to do so.

FS - there is a ton of depth at this position in the draft and several FA options as well.

MLB - could also be adressed in the later rounds.

OLB - again FA is an option and Blackstock is as promising as Bergen or Edwards

QBOF - If Young is available at 10 then take him. If not there are several options in later rounds as well.

I think about what Gates, Gonzalez, Whitten, Crumbler, Shockey etc do for their teams and get very excited about that kind of option for the Cards.

Remember what JV Cain & Jackie Smith did for this team. A difference maker at TE is a good thing.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Krang-
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I find your "bitch" comment totally improper and inappropriate for this forum!!!!

I'll edit it if it offends. No offense intended.

 

[spanky1]

2003 was supposed to be a great year for WRs, but we got the best one in the class despite the fact that we already had a developing first round pick and the best rookie in the draft the prior year.

Good teams don't get better by drafing by need or settling for secondary talent. Vernon Davis may be the Larry Fitzgerald of this draft.

Larry Fitzgerald was, quite simply, the best player in the draft in 2004. You can't say the same about Vernon Davis. He, in no way, represents the BPA in this years' draft. Not even close. Big difference.

Yes, when we drafted both Boldin, we had BJ on the roster, but that's all......no depth.....no capability to run Green's 3 WR sets. Hence the value in drafting Fitzgerald. He was a player that we needed in order to implement an entire offensive scheme. The same is not true at TE.

While a case might be able to be made that we don't have a top echelon TE ( ie one of the top 10) in Bergen or Edwards (add in the other four TE's on the roster), there is no sane argument that can be made to draft Davis at #10, based on what our needs are elsewhere.

 

[az jam]

I'm mixed on Davis. One argument says if he really is the best BPA at #10 take him. We could have an awesome passing attack. The other argument says that the TE in Denny's system is used more for blocking and we already have quite a passing attack. There are also many quality TEs in the draft; we could get one later. Bottom line is I think I would pass at #10 on Davis.

 

[BACH]

I agree that Bergen and Edwards are solid TE's. One of them may even develop to be strong contributors. The drafting of Davis would have to be a BPA strategy. Even if our current schemes don't highlight the TE enough they could be altered to do so.

FS - there is a ton of depth at this position in the draft and several FA options as well.

MLB - could also be adressed in the later rounds.

OLB - again FA is an option and Blackstock is as promising as Bergen or Edwards

QBOF - If Young is available at 10 then take him. If not there are several options in later rounds as well.

I think about what Gates, Gonzalez, Whitten, Crumbler, Shockey etc do for their teams and get very excited about that kind of option for the Cards.

Remember what JV Cain & Jackie Smith did for this team. A difference maker at TE is a good thing.

BUT this is also a strong draft for TEs, so why couldn't we pick up a TE in the later rounds?

Of the positions that you mention TE is probably the least important on this team, why is the main reason why I wouldn't take Davis.

I'm thinking FS or QBOF at #10. If Young falls, then he's a no brainer (Given he has a good work-out). At FS Griffith is getting old and we have no depth. Drafting a superior centerfielder like Huff would improve our defense AND allow Pendergast to use Wilson at the line. LB could also be an option, but our LB corpse is pretty solid and have some young talent in Blackstock and Hayes.

 

[Cardiac]

BUT this is also a strong draft for TEs, so why couldn't we pick up a TE in the later rounds?

Of the positions that you mention TE is probably the least important on this team, why is the main reason why I wouldn't take Davis.

I'm thinking FS or QBOF at #10. If Young falls, then he's a no brainer (Given he has a good work-out). At FS Griffith is getting old and we have no depth. Drafting a superior centerfielder like Huff would improve our defense AND allow Pendergast to use Wilson at the line. LB could also be an option, but our LB corpse is pretty solid and have some young talent in Blackstock and Hayes.

The ironic part about all of this is that since TE is such a lower priority at this point I doubt we will address it in FA so it may be more of a need / option in the draft.

Let's take FS as an example: We sign Hope or Macree (sp?).
Now it's draft time and Huff and Davis are the two best players on G's board.

I would rather have Davis in this scenario then over stocking at FS or reaching for an Olineman or QBOF. Of course trading down would also be an option but we all know that doesn't always work out as planned.

I do agree that TE is not a big need on our current roster, drafting Davis would be a BPA selection.

 

[spanky1]

The ironic part about all of this is that since TE is such a lower priority at this point I doubt we will address it in FA so it may be more of a need / option in the draft.

Let's take FS as an example: We sign Hope or Macree (sp?).
Now it's draft time and Huff and Davis are the two best players on G's board.

I would rather have Davis in this scenario then over stocking at FS or reaching for an Olineman or QBOF. Of course trading down would also be an option but we all know that doesn't always work out as planned.

I do agree that TE is not a big need on our current roster, drafting Davis would be a BPA selection.

I believe that TE is such a low priority in '06 that we will not address this at any time this year.....either through FA or the draft. Why?

Do people realize that we have five (5) TE's on the roster as of right now? Three are on the active roster and two are on the PS. Are any of them as good as Vernon Davis? Likely not.......but is Davis sooooo much better than what we have "under development" balanced against our other critical needs?

I don't see us picking up a FS in FA.... not when the caliber of Huff/Jimmy Williams is available in the draft......unless we do nothing about the RB situation in FA. FYI, there is a better chance that Hope will be available vesus McCree IMO (I live in NC and am acutely aware as to the Panthers serious interest in getting him signed).

I don't lose sleep overnight worrying about us "reaching" for an O-Lineman at the #10 position. There will be alternatives.

 

[Cardiac]

I believe that TE is such a low priority in '06 that we will not address this at any time this year.....either through FA or the draft. Why?

Do people realize that we have five (5) TE's on the roster as of right now? Three are on the active roster and two are on the PS. Are any of them as good as Vernon Davis? Likely not.......but is Davis sooooo much better than what we have "under development" balanced against our other critical needs?

I don't see us picking up a FS in FA.... not when the caliber of Huff/Jimmy Williams is available in the draft......unless we do nothing about the RB situation in FA. FYI, there is a better chance that Hope will be available vesus McCree IMO (I live in NC and am acutely aware as to the Panthers serious interest in getting him signed).

I don't lose sleep overnight worrying about us "reaching" for an O-Lineman at the #10 position. There will be alternatives.

What it really gets down to is the BPA or draft for need debate. Denny is all about BPA which is why Davis may in fact be our selection. I agree that we are decent at the TE position and to BACH's point there is plenty of depth in this years draft.

I honestly hope that Davis isn't our selection because that means a BPA at a different position was available. I just won't be upset if Davis is our selection because that means we have done a great job during FA and another Pro Bowl type player on our roster is a huge +.

 

[BigDavis75]

For what its worth, Davis really impressed me as a blocker this season. He also put up good numbers under constant defensive pressure. I would rather see usn pick a FS there but if Davis is the BPA then take him. Why not add on to our strength? We have problems in the red zone, so a TE with his vert. will definately help almost as much as a RB. IMO he would be a safer pick than a RB, pending OL in FA.

 

[joeshmo]

For what its worth, Davis really impressed me as a blocker this season.

That is one thing I think people are having the most problem with, they keep seeing a recieving threat only, when Davis is far more then that as you have pointed out. He is a more then willing blocker who made huge strides in that area of his game this year.