Two more guys @ 26 to look at

[WildBB]

I've seen nearly all over TCU's games the last 2 seasons and some games he has a big game & others he is a non factor, getting destroyed by blockers. Everytime I think of him 1 person pops into my head...Ray Thompson!!! I know they play differant positions, but for some reason Washington scares me.

He'll fall somewhere between 40-50. Taking him at 26 is not an option, IMO. We'd have to trade up in the 2nd to get him, mtl.

If it pans out right "Weatherspoon and Spikes could be Cardinals. And we'd still have two three's if we don't give one of them up. Could target NT , CB or SILB then, although I believe they';re kind of high on Reggie Walker yet.

What will Paris play?

 

[WarnerHOF]

Please stop this Daryl Washington talk. Until we get a space eater on the front line, I do not want any LBs who can't shed blocks. We've all seen how big the running lanes have been for guys like Maurice Morris, Ryan Grant and Justin Forsett the last season because Dansby played like Jane and couldn't shed blocks.

 

[WildBB]

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Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama

5-10.5, 196, 4.48

Kareem Jackson may not be the most physically impressive corner, but he is an extremely well-rounded corner who has a great knack for attacking the ball. He always making a play on the ball when I watched Alabama. He's physical, but not to the point where you'd be concerned about him drawing penalties on the next level. There were concerns about his timed speed, but he pretty much shut that down at the Combine and looked great during the drills.

Honestly, there isn't a lot to dislike about Jackson. He's a very solid prospect all-around. Concerns are that he isn't the greatest tackler, quicker guys give him trouble, and an underclassmen but that's nitpicking. He might not turn into a star, but he would be a great number two guy next to DRC. I don't know how Whisenhunt feels about Toler's ability to be the #2 guy post-McFadden, but I seriously hope they take a long look at Jackson.

Another reason to consider him a possibility for the Cardinals is that he's been working with new DB coach Donnie Henderson over the off-season. Coincidence? I think not and Henderson has already had some influence in the trade for Rhodes, who's to say he won't again?
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Since most of the responses were dedicated to Washington, I'll post this breakdown of the corners. I also like Jackson if he's there in the 2nd. We could use a solid #2 guy.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2010CB.php

 

[Shogun]

He'll fall somewhere between 40-50. Taking him at 26 is not an option, IMO. We'd have to trade up in the 2nd to get him, mtl.

But why is Washington not an option? He would fit what we are looking for. If you're picking 26th with your next pick being 58th and a guy you like is projected to go somewhere in between, why not pick him at 26 instead of trying to trade up? It really isn't as much of a reach as some of you think.

Please stop this Daryl Washington talk. Until we get a space eater on the front line, I do not want any LBs who can't shed blocks. We've all seen how big the running lanes have been for guys like Maurice Morris, Ryan Grant and Justin Forsett the last season because Dansby played like Jane and couldn't shed blocks.

Well, your shopping list for an effective replacement for Dansby is going to be short and who is to say that a space eater can't be nabbed later on?

 

[WildBB]

But why is Washington not an option? He would fit what we are looking for. If you're picking 26th with your next pick being 58th and a guy you like is projected to go somewhere in between, why not pick him at 26 instead of trying to trade up? It really isn't as much of a reach as some of you think.

I just think there will be better options there for where we're picking. For instance, if a top 5 LT is there possibly....or maybe Kyle Wilson as groomed for #2 cb AND p/k returner. How do you rate Kindle and Weatherspoon against him? Final qestion....do you think Haggins could translate to WILB IF we went a Graham or Kindle first.

Well, your shopping list for an effective replacement for Dansby is going to be short and who is to say that a space eater can't be nabbed later on?

This Linval Joseph guy looks pretty impressive. He might be a good rotational NT with Watson. Should be able to be had in the 3rd maybe.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profi...=Search&008=&gclid=CPnYmYC8vKACFQ2lagodfHne0Q

http://walterfootball.com/draft2010NT.php


http://walterfootball.com/draft2010NT.php

 

[Krangodnzr]

I just think there will be better options there for where we're picking. For instance, if a top 5 LT is there possibly....or maybe Kyle Wilson as groomed for #2 cb AND p/k returner. How do you rate Kindle and Weatherspoon against him? Final qestion....do you think Haggins could translate to WILB IF we went a Graham or Kindle first.



This Linval Joseph guy looks pretty impressive. He might be a good rotational NT with Watson. Should be able to be had in the 3rd maybe.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profi...=Search&008=&gclid=CPnYmYC8vKACFQ2lagodfHne0Q

http://walterfootball.com/draft2010NT.php


http://walterfootball.com/draft2010NT.php

I've also wondered this as well: Haggans could possibly fill the WILB spot if we did add a OLB. Haggans still moves pretty well and the transition for a veteran like him shouldn't be too bad. Now I doubt that Haggans would be a Pro Bowl performer and WILB, but he wouldn't be terrible.

I love sitting where we're at in the draft, there are so many options. Ideally, we take a nose tackle and then ILB/OLB in round 2 and corner in round 3 IMO.

 

[BigDavis75]

I've also wondered this as well: Haggans could possibly fill the WILB spot if we did add a OLB. Haggans still moves pretty well and the transition for a veteran like him shouldn't be too bad. Now I doubt that Haggans would be a Pro Bowl performer and WILB, but he wouldn't be terrible.

I love sitting where we're at in the draft, there are so many options. Ideally, we take a nose tackle and then ILB/OLB in round 2 and corner in round 3 IMO.

I don't think Haggans would be a good option at WILB. You would be weakening too positions by moving him and it is a spot he hasn't played. When he played with Pitt. they had him line up more with his hand on the ground as a DE then they did as a coverage guy, I've never seen him play ILB and his skillset doesn't lead me to believe he could do it effectively.

 

[slinslin]

I love sitting where we're at in the draft, there are so many options. Ideally, we take a nose tackle and then ILB/OLB in round 2 and corner in round 3 IMO.

One could dream right? Saw Brandon Spikes projected as a 2nd-3rd rounder.

1. Dan Williams - NT
2. Daryl Washington - WILB
3a. Brandon Spikes - SILB
3b. Jacoby Ford - WR/PR
(3c possible compensation pick)


Well Torrell Troup and Linval Joseph are NT projected in the 3rd-4th by most sites if you want to get your linebackers in the first 2 rounds(Weatherspoon/McClain+Washington/Spikes) and a NT in the 4th (Troup/Joseph).
CB and WR/PR in the 3rd or OLB.

 

[Krangodnzr]

One could dream right? Saw Brandon Spikes projected as a 2nd-3rd rounder.

1. Dan Williams - NT
2. Daryl Washington - WILB
3a. Brandon Spikes - SILB
3b. Jacoby Ford - WR/PR
(3c possible compensation pick)


Well Torrell Troup and Linval Joseph are NT projected in the 3rd-4th by most sites if you want to get your linebackers in the first 2 rounds(Weatherspoon/McClain+Washington/Spikes) and a NT in the 4th (Troup/Joseph).
CB and WR/PR in the 3rd or OLB.

I would love that draft, though I seriously doubt that either Spikes or Ford will be available in round 3. Some team will take a look at Spikes and will draft him between round 1-2 based on film, and Ford will go higher based on speed.

 

[Shogun]

I just think there will be better options there for where we're picking. For instance, if a top 5 LT is there possibly....or maybe Kyle Wilson as groomed for #2 cb AND p/k returner.

I don't disagree with there could be better options in terms of players, but going by history under the Whisenhunt regime, they typically tend to address the biggest need(s) first.

2007 - Levi Brown
There was nobody at tackle and just traded Leonard Davis.

2008 - DRC
The cupboard was bare at corner.

2009 - Beanie Wells
The returning rusher at the time had a 2.8 YPC.

2010 - ???
Glaring needs thus far - NT, WILB

The question is do you reach for a nose or a ILB? I think at both positions there is a sizable dropoff after the first two or three guys.

How do you rate Kindle and Weatherspoon against him? Final qestion....do you think Haggins could translate to WILB IF we went a Graham or Kindle first.

Kindle is an elite athlete, plays the run well and has upside regarding pass rush, but has underachieved at Texas and has questions about character. Versatile, but I doubt he can play ILB. His draft stock is heavily reliant on his interviews. He could be a lotto pick or a second round guy.

In Washington vs. Weatherspoon, 'Spoon is bigger and plays the run better, but can be reckless. Washington is faster and better in coverage, but can a step too late. Both can do everything well, but neither are that impressive at shedding blocks. IMO, it's preference. 'Spoon can be an immediate starter, but Washington has more upside.

Personally, at this point I think 'Spoon is all but a lock to Atlanta and Whisenhunt's reluctance to play rookies extensively works in Washington's favor.

In regards to Haggans at WILB. He'd be better than Ali Highsmith, but him being there wouldn't strengthen my confidence in the linebackers. He should stay outside.

 

[Shogun]

Might as well throw my mock up, too.

1. DT Terrence Cody, Alabama
2. LB Sean Lee, Penn State
3. LB Thad Gibson, Ohio State
3. OT Kyle Calloway, Iowa*
4. CB A.J. Jefferson, Fresno State
6. QB Tim Hiller, Western Michigan
7. S Cody Grimm, Virginia Tech

* = Pending Charlie Whitehurst trade

 

[Krangodnzr]

Might as well throw my mock up, too.

1. DT Terrence Cody, Alabama
2. LB Sean Lee, Penn State
3. LB Thad Gibson, Ohio State
3. OT Kyle Calloway, Iowa*
4. CB A.J. Jefferson, Fresno State
6. QB Tim Hiller, Western Michigan
7. S Cody Grimm, Virginia Tech

* = Pending Charlie Whitehurst trade

Nice draft, I love Jefferson in the midrounds. Not a great corner but has the skills to develop at this moment in time. Would probably be better than Ralph Brown immediately.

I've got mixed opinions on Cody; sure he can be dominate for 2 downs, but his physical conditioning is a major question mark. If he continues to lose weight leading up to the draft, I'll be more comfortable. Based on game tape, he's a better prospect than Dan Williams but Williams hasn't had the weight concerns that Cody has.

As far as addressing positions of need, I'm a big fan of the shotgun approach, draft 2-3 players at a position and sign a few free agents and for the most part it will work itself out. With drafting Lee and Gibson it takes that approach, though Lee is more of an ILB and Gibson a pass rush prospect. I may lean more towards drafting 2 ILBs since I feel that's our greatest weakness at the moment.

 

[WildBB]

I don't disagree with there could be better options in terms of players, but going by history under the Whisenhunt regime, they typically tend to address the biggest need(s) first.

2007 - Levi Brown
There was nobody at tackle and just traded Leonard Davis.

2008 - DRC
The cupboard was bare at corner.

2009 - Beanie Wells
The returning rusher at the time had a 2.8 YPC.

2010 - ???
Glaring needs thus far - NT, WILB

And a case could still be made for CB as well. OT is still a major ? for the most part. As far as needs based draft (not counting QB at the moment) I'd go:
1. ILB
2. CB
3. NT
4. OT
5. DE/OLB
6. WR

The question is do you reach for a nose or a ILB? I think at both positions there is a sizable dropoff after the first two or three guys.

I think you can find a rotationl NT 3-4th possibly.

Kindle is an elite athlete, plays the run well and has upside regarding pass rush, but has underachieved at Texas and has questions about character. Versatile, but I doubt he can play ILB. His draft stock is heavily reliant on his interviews. He could be a lotto pick or a second round guy.

In Washington vs. Weatherspoon, 'Spoon is bigger and plays the run better, but can be reckless. Washington is faster and better in coverage, but can a step too late. Both can do everything well, but neither are that impressive at shedding blocks. IMO, it's preference. 'Spoon can be an immediate starter, but Washington has more upside.

Personally, at this point I think 'Spoon is all but a lock to Atlanta and Whisenhunt's reluctance to play rookies extensively works in Washington's favor.

In regards to Haggans at WILB. He'd be better than Ali Highsmith, but him being there wouldn't strengthen my confidence in the linebackers. He should stay outside.

Fair enough. It'll be interesting to see if they're willing to pass on Graham or Kindle for Washington if both Spoon and Wilson are gone at that point as well. Or they surprise and go Cody. In either Cody or Washington scenario I'd trade down some and pick up an extra pick somewhere.

 

[Shogun]

Alabama cornerback Kareem Jackson's NFL draft stock has risen steadily since he posted a 4.48 40-yard dash at the NFL combine. Count ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay among the believers.

McShay, who held a teleconference with media members on Thursday, rates the 5-foot-11, 192-pound Jackson as the third best cornerback in the draft behind Florida's Joe Haden and Boise State's Kyle Wilson and believes Jackson may have pushed himself into the first round.

"He might be the most underrated player in the entire draft right now," McShay said. "For some reason, people have not caught on to him. He's about as good as Wilson, he should go in the top 25 picks and he has a chance to make an immediate impact coming from Nick Saban's system."

http://blog.al.com/mike-herndon/201..._tebow_still_looking_at_3rd_or_4th_round.html

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

http://blog.al.com/mike-herndon/201..._tebow_still_looking_at_3rd_or_4th_round.html

I like your mock and Jackson but McShay has the least amount of credibility with me as any draft guy. I definitley like Kiper better and Mayock has grown on me.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I like your mock and Jackson but McShay has the least amount of credibility with me as any draft guy. I definitley like Kiper better and Mayock has grown on me.

+1. Mayock is the best IMO, Kiper is good and McShay blows donkey balls.

 

[Mulli]

I like your mock and Jackson but McShay has the least amount of credibility with me as any draft guy. I definitley like Kiper better and Mayock has grown on me.

Me too.

 

[Shogun]

I like your mock and Jackson but McShay has the least amount of credibility with me as any draft guy. I definitley like Kiper better and Mayock has grown on me.

I also think McShay is a joke, but in this instance I agree with him.

 

[Shogun]

Bump for shameless plug.

 

[SuperSpck]

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[slinslin]

One could dream right? Saw Brandon Spikes projected as a 2nd-3rd rounder.

1. Dan Williams - NT
2. Daryl Washington - WILB
3a. Brandon Spikes - SILB
3b. Jacoby Ford - WR/PR
(3c possible compensation pick)

Not that far off, just took a different WR/PR and gave up the other 3rd round pick.

 

[Shogun]

Not that far off, just took a different WR/PR and gave up the other 3rd round pick.

Wow. Almost spot on.