Tyler Johnson to the Suns

[slinslin]

How can you compare another Wing with a Power Forward? Getting rid of Anderson would be good. But for still another Wing?

As someone has already posted, it is like rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

Tyler Johnson is a combo guard.

Last I checked we have no playable shooting guard on the roster besides Booker since Daniels is awful at everything besides 3pt shooting.

 

[1Sun]

Johnson can play point guard next to Booker which should help.

No he can't. He's a worse facilitator than Booker is (and than Okobo and Melton are as well).

 

[slinslin]

And hurts us in terms of our cap space.

in terms of capspace he is basically the same as Anderson

Just because Anderson forfeited 5M$ of guaranteed money on his last year did not change his cap numbers

 

[Mainstreet]

Another tidbit about Ellington being waived.

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[1Sun]

Now word is that we are going to waive Ellington.

Why? He's a better player than Johnson...by a significant margin.

 

[1Sun]

in terms of capspace he is basically the same as Anderson

Just because Anderson forfeited 5M$ of guaranteed money on his last year did not change his cap numbers

It does for next year.

 

[devilalum]

Okay now I’m confused. We are trading for TWO MORE WINGS?!?

We’re going for the “Full Colonel” Thats 10 wings a pint of slaw and a medium drink.


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[Raindog]

Really, this feels to me pretty much like the Anderson/Melton trade. Lots of folks tried to see that as having some kind of upside, particularly that Anderson was going to be some kind of significant contributor. We know how that turned out.

Now of course it's not a huge disaster in that we aren't apparently giving up anything of value. But let's not get all Pollyanna here and think this is doing anything other than adding to the Suns' rich recent legacy of NBA journeymen, has-beens, and never-weres passing through.

 

[SunnyBaller]

Why? He's a better player than Johnson...by a significant margin.

No he isn't

 

[Mainstreet]

Are trades fun or what.

 

[slinslin]

Why? He's a better player than Johnson...by a significant margin.

he is a free agent and we are not going to re-sign him.

we might not be actively tanking but at this point we don't have an interest to make our team better for a few extra wins with players that are not part of our future

 

[1Sun]

I'm telling you guys... Tyler Johnson can hoop. He is not a scrub.

He COULD hoop, and he WASN'T a scrub...2-3 seasons ago, when he was a solid back-up shooting guard on the Heat. Then he got the big offer sheet from a desperate Nets team that the Heat were dumb enough to match, and his game has fallen off a cliff ever since.

And to make matters worse, the Suns appear to be planning to force a former decent back-up shooting guard who can no longer shoot to play the point, despite his numbers at that position being consistently horrible for his entire career.

He is a shooting guard who can't shoot, defend, pass or facilitate in a point guard's body.

 

[hcsilla]

No, not good. And not $4 million. $20 million. They restructured Anderson's contract so that a buy-out would be easy this summer. No such luck with Johnson.

Anderson's buy-out would have counted against the cap.

 

[slinslin]

It does for next year.

please understand the basics first before you comment

Anderson's cap number is 2 million dollar MORE than Johnson next season.

 

[1Sun]

Tyler Johnson is a combo guard.

Last I checked we have no playable shooting guard on the roster besides Booker since Daniels is awful at everything besides 3pt shooting.

And Johnson is awful at everything, INCLUDING 3pt shooting. I'll take Daniels, thank you very much.

 

[Hoop Head]

Tyler Johnson is much better than Austin Rivers and some people here talked themselves into Rivers being a positive addition before it was revealed he was being waived. He's much more of a PG than Rivers as well, regardless of what his assist numbers say. Miami's offense plays with a lot of ball handlers on the floor at the same time so no one there is going to average a ton of assists. Johnson also played a lot with Dragic, who is the closest thing to a PG the Heat have and he only averages 4.9 apg, so Johnson's 2.5 won't tell you the whole story.

 

[1Sun]

Now of course it's not a huge disaster in that we aren't apparently giving up anything of value.

Except the cap space we needed to bring in a point guard and power forward. And God forbid ownership/management ends our point guard search because they are under the delusion that Tyler Johnson can be an NBA starting point guard...

 

[hcsilla]

Suns are getting another expiring in Wayne Ellington in the deal.

I don’t understand why they didn’t hold out for a future 1st rd pick instead of Ellington.

Because Ellington was not the asset that the Suns did this trade for, getting rid of his 6 mil. salary this year was the main reason why the Heat did this deal.

It represents a lot of luxury tax savings this year and another 4 mil. next year for Miam.

 

[slinslin]

Except the cap space we needed to bring in a point guard and power forward. And God forbid ownership/management ends our point guard search because they are under the delusion that Tyler Johnson can be an NBA starting point guard...

stop talking if you have no clue

this trade increased our capspace for next year.

 

[1Sun]

Anderson's buy-out would have counted against the cap.

Yes, but less than Johnson's player option, thanks to the restructured contract the Suns arranged when they traded for Anderson. Basically, they are now approximately $3 million worse than the cap position they were in had they kept Brandon Knight instead of trading him for Anderson. That very well could end up being the difference between us getting an NBA caliber starter at point guard and power forward this summer and us getting an NBA caliber starter at only one of those two positions, even in a best case scenario. The Suns just shot themselves in the foot moving forward in order to acquire a player who brings absolutely nothing to the table.

 

[1Sun]

Tyler Johnson is much better than Austin Rivers and some people here talked themselves into Rivers being a positive addition before it was revealed he was being waived. He's much more of a PG than Rivers as well, regardless of what his assist numbers say. Miami's offense plays with a lot of ball handlers on the floor at the same time so no one there is going to average a ton of assists. Johnson also played a lot with Dragic, who is the closest thing to a PG the Heat have and he only averages 4.9 apg, so Johnson's 2.5 won't tell you the whole story.

Austin Rivers is a better shooter, passer and defender, and he's more athletic. In what universe is Johnson better than Rivers at anything?

 

[1Sun]

stop talking if you have no clue

this trade increased our capspace for next year.

You keep forgetting to factor in the restructuring of Anderson's deal where we save cap space by buying him out this summer.

Johnson with his player option has more guaranteed money and cap space taken up than a bought-out Anderson does.

 

[Chaplin]

How can you compare another Wing with a Power Forward? Getting rid of Anderson would be good. But for still another Wing?

As someone has already posted, it is like rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

That's not the argument, BC! Of course there are questions of fit for Tyler Johnson, but that's not what we are talking about! We're talking about the merits of having Johnson vs. having Anderson on the payroll.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Austin Rivers is a better shooter, passer and defender, and he's more athletic. In what universe is Johnson better than Rivers at anything?

Robbing teams of money?

 

[1Sun]

Robbing teams of money?

Touche.