U Of A!!!

[DWKB]

Well I just googled "'bill self' negative recruiting" and found not even a hint of blog or article that talks negatively about him. Please tell me where I can research this, or just provide me with something that backs your statements.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Excellent research...

Kansas is already on probation for boosters giving players money. Some were gifts for graduating and some were before the player(s) even attended Kansas.

Then you get into Sharrod Collins' and Mario Chamlers' recruitment...

Mario Chalmers' father

CJ Giles and the story of Curtis Townsend

Bill Self's 20 secondary NCAA violations while coaching Illinois for 3 years...

Darnell Jackson's recruitment and the improper benefits he recieved after enrolling at Kansas

This is all the stuff I can think of right now and none of it even has anything, or much for that matter, to do with Self vs. Lute and UA. Also, these are all things that you can find easily by searching the internet. In fact most of these things have articles from news papers, espn, and more then one NCAA investigation.

 

[Skkorpion]

Arizona's Finest:

1. UA does not have one of the finest programs in the country, Lute does. Recruits choose coaches, not schools. Before Lute, UA was a second tier WAC backwater.

2. The assumption that the best coaches in the nation will be falling all over themselves to coach in a conference that struggles to get TV exposure is arrogant and misguided. UCLA is historically a much better hoops school than UA and even they had trouble getting and keeping good coaches.

3. How has Iowa fared after Lute? Indiana after Bobby Knight? Georgia Tech after Bobby Cremins? St. Johns after Carneseca? Louisville after Denny Crum? And so on and so on.

4. How will Duke fare after Coach K? Not well, IMO. Like UA, they are a one-trick pony.

5. The great tradition-rich hoops schools are Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, UCLA and very few others. UA ain't one of them.

You might get a good coach and you might not. I hope you do.

 

[DWKB]

Excellent research...

This is all the stuff I can think of right now and none of it even has anything, or much for that matter, to do with Self vs. Lute and UA.

This is all that you needed to say (and really even it didn't need to be said).
I'm still waiting on a Lute to Bill reference, or even a Bill Self talks negatively about another program. The rest of that **** is just smoke and fog to mask your lack of anything.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

I aleady told you, there isnt going to be an article about a Bill to Lute reference... If you want a reference besides me, get to know someone in the athletic department or someone on the team who was recruited by Self.

You also arent going to find a Self vs. another program reference, because there are no articles.

Smoke and fog to mask my lack of anything? Comon man, do some research that doesnt consist of typing "Bill Self negative recruiting" into Google. Are you that narrow minded? The evidence, probation, dirty boosters, and NCAA investigations are right there for the reading, just like the Mario Chalmers, CJ Giles, Darnell Jackson, and Sherrod Collins recruitments are.

I dont know what you want me to say. You want a reference of a Self comment about Lute. I am giving you one, but you think im the "messenger". Like I said, if you want another reference, get to know someone inside or with the program.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

UA does not have one of the finest programs in the country, Lute does. Recruits choose coaches, not schools. Before Lute, UA was a second tier WAC backwater.

Arizona was ranked the 14th best program in college basketball history a few years ago. And you're right Arizona was nothing before Lute arrived, but you can say something similar about Florida State and Penn State before Bowden and Paterno arrived and you'll find exactly nobody that thinks those programs will dropp off the face of the Earth once they retire. Just like JoePa and Bowden, Lute has given Arizona almost three decades of elite basketball and millions of fans and dollars of revenues for the administration to build off of. Not to mention a name that can get them into pretty much any living room in the country.

The assumption that the best coaches in the nation will be falling all over themselves to coach in a conference that struggles to get TV exposure is arrogant and misguided. UCLA is historically a much better hoops school than UA and even they had trouble getting and keeping good coaches.

Then that Herb Sendek must really suck then. If Arizona State, a basketball program that is inferior to Arizona in facilities, talent, tradition, and revenues can get a young and moderately successful former ACC coach then it makes sense that Arizona will get stuck with some nobody.

Even ASU fans think you're delusional on this point.

3. How has Iowa fared after Lute? Indiana after Bobby Knight? Georgia Tech after Bobby Cremins? St. Johns after Carneseca? Louisville after Denny Crum? And so on and so on.

Iowa as a whole has won fewer conference titles in their entire existence than Lute has won only at Arizona and they're a football school so they don't really apply. Indiana was in the National Championship game two years after Knight was forced out and six years later were able to hire a guy who won four Big-10 titles and went to a Final Four. Georgia Tech advanced to the NCAA Title game exactly four seasons after Cremins stepped down as well. Louisville also went to the Final Four four years after Denny Crum was forced out and was able to hire a guy with three Final Four's and a National Championship on his resume.

Try using facts instead of revisionist history Skkorp. It tends to bolster your argument.

4. How will Duke fare after Coach K? Not well, IMO. Like UA, they are a one-trick pony.

Good call Skkorp! Never mind that Duke went to the Final Four and won the ACC three years prior to K's arrival and were easily the most successful ACC program of the 1960s. Sounds just like a one-trick pony to me.

The great tradition-rich hoops schools are Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, UCLA and very few others. UA ain't one of them.

Agreed, although Duke belongs there as does Indiana. Arizona is in the next tier with schools like Syracuse, UConn, Cincinnati, NC State, Georgetown and Arkansas.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Korp pointed out that snow white isn't capable of being the coach that he once was...can you finally adress this issue, or will you continue to ignore it?

I addressed the issue fine, for whatever reason you just can't seem to grasp it. Sorry but I'm not going to dumb down my writing so a guy who only shows up when he has something to brag about can get a better understanding of it.