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UA travels to Tempe Normal today.

Is this the end of the Rob Evans era? Can he save his job with a win?

Does anyone really care?


Predictions?

I think the Cats win 91-76.
 

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Like Wizard said, ASU could lose by 100 points to UofA and Evans still won't be fired.

UofA should win the game. But, Wash. St. beat UofA once, and took them down to the wire the second game. So, it's not like it'd be some sort of miracle if ASU kept it close or even won.

Still, UofA 85 ASU 72.
 

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It's Senior Day and possibly Ike's farewell so you know ASU is going to be up for the game. I'lll go UA 82 ASU 78 in a back and forth game with Arizona's far superior backcourt being the difference.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
It's Senior Day and possibly Ike's farewell so you know ASU is going to be up for the game. I'lll go UA 82 ASU 78 in a back and forth game with Arizona's far superior backcourt being the difference.


Agreed, ASU has had some inspired performances as of late, and if U of A isn't up for this game, they could get beaten. (although I find it hard to believe they wouldn't get up for this one) The odds for U of A beating ASU in this game are about as good as ASU beating U of A in football this year, so it's possible.
 

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WizardOfAz said:
U of A wins the PAC - 10 if they hold off ASU today.
Lute passed Wooden for PAC-10 wins.

The Cats clinched the PAC-10 championship.

Stoudamire made a good case for being PAC-10 Player of the Year.

Great day to be a Wildcat!

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
2005 Arizona Wildcats
Pac-10 Champs

2005 ASU Sun Devils
NIT

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That is 11 Pac-10 titles in 22 years for Lute!!!
 

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Brian in Mesa said:
As expected, or even above most expectations.
Speaks volumes about the head coach when a team with one of the ten best players in the country is exceeding expectations if it makes the NIT.
 

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Not only did the UofA win another Pac-10 title, the baseball team just beat undefeated and #1 Texas 8-3.
 

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Wooden will always be "The Wizard", but it is definitely a different game now.

By Mark Kreidler
Special to ESPN.com

Lute Olson will never be John Wooden. Can't be, can't be, can't be.

Nobody ever calls Olson the Wizard of Tucson. Folks rarely make pilgrimages to the desert to sit at his knee and bask in the warmth of his greatness. The 10 NCAA titles for Wooden at UCLA are, quite frankly, untouchable forever and ever, amen.

Wooden was special, and Wooden had Walton and Alcindor, among others, and Wooden won and won and won, and oh, the glory of the times. As Olson prepares to pass Wooden and become the all-time winningest basketball coach in Pac-10 Conference play, in fact, you can count on a flurry of media creation reminding you that there was one, and only one, John Wooden.

Verifiably true. And that, as we stand here today, is the good news.

Lute Olson, that is, goes in on his own. His Pac-10 victories have come during the greatest collective age of the conference, forged of teams competing in the modern college game and the era of the instantaneously rich NBA prospect.

He faces obstacles that at times reach ludicrous proportion, not the least of which is keeping his own job long enough to even approach the great Wooden's career conference mark. He has earned his wings.

No offense to Wooden, but it just ain't that easy anymore. It isn't easy to get the players you want or need. It isn't always easy to keep those players healthy and eligible and out of trouble. It is rarely easy to keep the truly great ones from ditching your program after a couple of years and heading off to refine their games while signing fat pro deals and striking out on the endorsement trail.

For that matter, it's a small amazement that Lute Olson has coached at Arizona long enough to threaten Wooden. What is it, 21 years? Do you have any idea what the average college coach's life span is in any one job? These guys start getting fired about three months after they get to campus -- and not only that, they accept it as the cost of doing business. The clock is always ticking.

Olson isn't Wooden, you bet. John Wooden could tell his players how to tie their shoes and wear their socks and not get laughed out of the room (although he says a few players laughed with him), and that alone may stand as one of the true marks of his ability to communicate and command respect at the same time.

Wooden was a brilliant, brilliant coach, a great tactician, a human being at a time in their lives when some of his players desperately needed to see that in their head coach. He also happened along at a time in history when the Pac-10 (it was the Pac-8 at the time) was almost unbelievably mediocre.
The distinguished Olson has distinguished himself in 21 years in Tucson.

Wooden's rise to the top coincided with a decided downturn among many of the other programs in the conference. Writing in the Arizona Daily Star recently, Greg Hansen noted that Wooden's teams once went through a 15-season stretch without playing a single conference game against a nationally ranked opponent. Fifteen seasons. Olson's teams have played 23 such conference games over the past five years alone.

The point is not to denigrate John Wooden, of course. We didn't all run to the medicine cabinet for a heaping two-tablespoon dose of Moron. Wooden's legacy and record almost exist outside time and space; he has been such a force in the game for so long, so revered and yet still so capable and bright and involved and consulted, that it is actually possible to forget he stopped coaching a full decade before Olson came to Arizona in 1984.

No, the point is to underscore the notion that Lute Olson isn't merely the guy who hung around long enough to approach Wooden's all-time mark. Quite the opposite: Olson is the coach who approached the record by succeeding quite substantially, and year after year, frankly against most odds. It's a kind of success that strikingly few modern coaches -- Mike Krzyzewski, Roy Williams -- are able to sustain.

Those two-plus decades since Olson headed West from Iowa have been marked by some of the greatest tumult in the history of the college game. Rosters have been decimated by the NBA's increasing hunger for young talent and the natural give and take of a semi-open market. Most coaches today know that if they have an exceptional talent, they will sooner or later (probably sooner) be faced with the issue of whether that player will stay for two years or three.

Four? It's just about out of the question. Put the talent-turnover issue alongside modern booster scandals, the kind of crushing media attention that was unheard of in Wooden's day and the rise of the NCAA Tournament, with its pressure-inducing financial windfall for the 64 teams who climb into it, and you have a recipe for an abbreviated career at any one job.

Olson has won his games at a time when tenure among college coaches is basically an inside joke. His record at Arizona really is as noteworthy for its stunning longevity as for anything else -- and that is taking into account the fact that he has won at almost the same searing clip as did Wooden, with his wonderful teams of the '60s and '70s.

Olson, of course, hates the analysis, which only identifies him as a fully sentient human being. He knows it's a loser's game to begin comparisons to the Wizard. All are eventually diminished in the presence of Wooden, and that's just the fact -- an acceptable fact, really, for anyone who loves and appreciates the game.

But this, too: Before this season is done, Lute Olson, not Wooden, will hold the record for the most league games ever won by a basketball coach in the history of the Pac-10 Conference.

Olson will have come by that record honestly, to say nothing of bloodfully, sweatfully and tearfully. It's the modern era, and two decades of A-level work on the job qualifies as a minor miracle. Olson can stand on his own, and on his work, just fine.

Mark Kreidler is a columnist for the Sacramento Bee and a regular contributor to ESPN.com. Reach him at [email protected].
 

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You can't debate Wooden and Olson because there's no other John Wooden. Although Lute is easily the best coach in the Pac-10 since Wooden retired.
 

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It was a good game. Should've been decided in OT though. That was a blatant travel by Stoudamire on the winning shot.
 

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ajcardfan said:
It was a good game. Should've been decided in OT though. That was a blatant travel by Stoudamire on the winning shot.

Salim's pivot foot(left) did not move. Watch the replay closely. Also, he was pushed right before he shuffled his right foot. What I liked was the ref let them play in that last sequence.

As for the tournament, the UofA will play Cal as ASU plays Washington. I believe ASU can give Washington a battle. The Sun Devils should have confidence knowing they played them well last week in Seattle. ASU has lost three close games in a row. They are due for a win.
 

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Zona90 said:
Salim's pivot foot(left) did not move. Watch the replay closely. Also, he was pushed right before he shuffled his right foot. What I liked was the ref let them play in that last sequence.

As for the tournament, the UofA will play Cal as ASU plays Washington. I believe ASU can give Washington a battle. The Sun Devils should have confidence knowing they played them well last week in Seattle. ASU has lost three close games in a row. They are due for a win.

Well, I did watch the replay closely several times, he took a little hop. But, whatever. ASU failed to rebound the previous missed shot and that's what really sunk them. They gave up way too many second chances and it was like that from the very first possesion of the game until the last one.

ASU has played Washington okay, but they won't win unless the Huskies have a bad shooting game like they did against Stanford today.
 
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Great game by ASU they made it very close.

I disagree about the travel. His pivot foot skipped as it came down originaly and then he moved his other foot. It wasn't pretty but I don't think it was traveling.
 

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SirChaz said:
Great game by ASU they made it very close.

I disagree about the travel. His pivot foot skipped as it came down originaly and then he moved his other foot. It wasn't pretty but I don't think it was traveling.

You saw it the way I saw it. And, that is traveling.

But, I really don't want to argue it. Rebounding and free throws were far more damaging to ASU in determining the outcome.
 
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