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Lyons' decision-making hurt all game, but he's also a big part of the reason we were leading. Like somebody said earlier this year, Lyons is the reason Arizona is good but also the reason they're not great. But come Tournament time your biggest strengths and weaknesses bubble to the surface. Arizona struggled defending the 3 and went through long scoring droughts all season. That's what cost us the game.

Overall though the program is set for the next couple decades. We'll get over the hump soon.
 

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If Gordon gives his verbal to UofA next week, that will numb the pain a little.
 

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UCLA hires Alford. That sure doesn't win the press conference. :)
 

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Lol @ UCLA. Maybe time for Bruins fans to reevaluate their school's place in today's NCAABB hierarchy, because it's not where they thought it was.
 

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Alford has only coached one team to the Sweet 16.
 
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I think this is a big time whiff on UCLA's part. ESPN was shoveling dirt on them when Stevens turned them down. I guess I understand UCLA moving on but when you get rid of a coach that went to three final 4s other coaches may think the job isn't worth it. There has to be a reason people are turning them down.
 

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Lateral move at best firing Howland for Alford. And I'm being very generous.

Miller should be able to own almost all So Cal recruits moving forward
 

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With Howland out of the picture it removes one obstacle but hopefully it's too late to make much of a difference.

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There's a chance for everything, but there are four (maybe five, if Cal is legit) contenders for Gordon. And rumor has it, he gave his verbal to Miller, already.

We'll see. He's set to announce on Tuesday.
 

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Wow, that is a really sad hire...

18 years of D1 coaching, one sweet 16, 5 total wins in the tourny, twice he has lost as a 3 seed in the 1st round. Couldnt hack it at Iowa during a time when the Big 10 was struggling as a conference.

Yuck...
 

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UCLA hires Alford. That sure doesn't win the press conference. :)
Not a terrible hire but not one I'm thrilled with.

Hiring an ex college guard who couldn't cut it in the NBA but seems like he might be a good recruiter is a good way to finish 4th in the conference with teh best roster.
 

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This is like Tim Floyd to Arizona except Alford said yes. Just a very shortsighted hire.

Except Alford didn't blatantly violate all sorts of NCAA rules on his way out at UNM.

But I'm certainly not excited about the hire.

I just hope we don't find out in a few years it was to try and get Gordon and Kirk. If they went that route with a head coaching hire I'd be furious.
 

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What are the odds of Gordon going to UCLA now?

He's announcing tuesday, highly unlikely. You have to remember while the family hated Howland, there's been a few years of ill will between people at UCLA and the family. I'd be surprised if Alford can overcome that in a weekend.
 

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Wow, that is a really sad hire...

18 years of D1 coaching, one sweet 16, 5 total wins in the tourny, twice he has lost as a 3 seed in the 1st round. Couldnt hack it at Iowa during a time when the Big 10 was struggling as a conference.

Yuck...

Thats my thought, his record got worse at every stop until he got to UNM. There's talk that UCLA might go after Keating or Tony Bland or Ed Schilling as assistants, but while they're all good recruiters I'm not sure they really need a recruiter as much as they need someone to help Alford coach.

He's not Lavin, but he's never struck me as a very good coach, odd given his dad coached and he grew up with the game.
 

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Thats my thought, his record got worse at every stop until he got to UNM. There's talk that UCLA might go after Keating or Tony Bland or Ed Schilling as assistants, but while they're all good recruiters I'm not sure they really need a recruiter as much as they need someone to help Alford coach.

He's not Lavin, but he's never struck me as a very good coach, odd given his dad coached and he grew up with the game.

Yeah, his poor tournament record with some bad loses to low seeds makes me think a lot of his problem is Xs and Os. Maybe he just struggles with adjustments... I dunno, but the results are not pretty, especially in comparison to what you'd expect out of a UCLA candidate.

Even as an Arizona fan that hire bums me out. Its good for the Wildcats for the Pac-12 to have a strong brand, good to have some consistent strong programs in the conference. Unless Alford changes his career path I'd guess the Bruins are going to tread water for the next 4 years until he gets replaced.
 

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Yeah, his poor tournament record with some bad loses to low seeds makes me think a lot of his problem is Xs and Os. Maybe he just struggles with adjustments... I dunno, but the results are not pretty, especially in comparison to what you'd expect out of a UCLA candidate.

Even as an Arizona fan that hire bums me out. Its good for the Wildcats for the Pac-12 to have a strong brand, good to have some consistent strong programs in the conference. Unless Alford changes his career path I'd guess the Bruins are going to tread water for the next 4 years until he gets replaced.

I think he'll get players right away, new hires at a place like UCLA normally do. I expect UCLA to have a very good class in 14 and 15. The AAU guys like Alford.

I'm just not convinced he's a good enough coach but we'll see. There's been a lot of talk on UCLA boards that they were blindsided when the board of regents notified Guerrero that they had to approve any contract, regardless of how much of it was from boosters, and that anything over 3 million was going to be frowned upon. That if true suddenly changed the whole search as guys they were after weren't going to take 3 or less. I have no idea if that's true or not, Guerrero is denying several things that I've been taking as fact for months now. That he knew in Dec he was firing Howland, that he had an outside search firm contacting agents of coaches during the season, Dan G is denying all that now and it's hard to know if he's telling the truth or not.

If i had known in Dec Dan was going to make the hire I wouldn't have been expecting a better hire.
 

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Hiring an ex college guard who couldn't cut it in the NBA but seems like he might be a good recruiter is a good way to finish 4th in the conference with teh best roster.
You mean the same guy who has as many NCAA Tournament wins in his four years at his current stop as his newest main coaching rival has in his entire 18 year career?

This UCLA fan notion that Miller can't coach really is funny considering what he inherited. He didn't have the best roster last year (that would be the Bruins) and has still yet to start a true point guard. You'll get to see Miller's coaching ability over the next six years with McConnell/TJ and in the meantime with one of the glut of McD's AA that will be maturing.
 

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You mean the same guy who has as many NCAA Tournament wins in his four years at his current stop as his newest main coaching rival has in his entire 18 year career?

This UCLA fan notion that Miller can't coach really is funny considering what he inherited. He didn't have the best roster last year (that would be the Bruins) and has still yet to start a true point guard. You'll get to see Miller's coaching ability over the next six years with McConnell/TJ and in the meantime with one of the glut of McD's AA that will be maturing.

Cmon now when the media voted on the Pac 12 they picked UA first, UCLA 2nd. UCLA had more first place votes but a couple of guys were concerned Bazz might not clear so they voted UCLA down and that's how UA finished first. Of course when that vote was taken, Josh Smith and Tyler Lamb were still members of UCLA's team. You don't think if the media knew UCLA was going to have 8 players they would have voted UA even more first place votes?

UCLA had 8 players and were bad enough to lose to Cal Poly during the OOC. Miller had several key returning uppper classmen, a key transfer, and 3 future NBA bigs coming in. He had a terrific OOC, and then the team didn't improve in conference anywhere near as much as everyone else did and he managed to not win the conference despite having the best roster and being the only one of the top teams to NOT have any problems. He didn't have 2 players transfer out, he didn't have a key starter get hurt and miss games(Travis Wear, Dominic Artis, Roberson). He had the deepest roster, totally healthy, and still didn't win the conference.

I don't think he's a terrible coach, I do think the Cats clearly underachieved in conference play and if we're going to judge a coach, I think conference play is the best metric to use. It is the same teams playing against each other. It's not a full play each other twice schedule anymore but if noticed, UA had one win against the best teams in the Pac 12 this season(regular season) and that was the controversial Colorado one, every other game against a good Pac 12 opponent they lost. You can take that 2 ways, they didn't have many collapses (like UCLA against WSU), or they never beat anyone that had somewhat comparable talent in conference.

Conference games are all about coaching ,everyone's seen your OOC film, often you have kids they recruited so they know your roster. Conference games are tougher for that reason, less surprise and better preparation.

I think Miller is a better coach than Alford I'm not at all happy we hired Alford. But I do think it's accurate to suggest Miller isn't the greatest coach. How many times do you have to lose for the same reason, mark Lyons jacking up 3's, before you start pulling him from games when he does it?

I should add the best coaching job in the conference was done by Altman IMO, if he doesn't lose Artis to injury they likely would have won the conference outright.
 

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Yep that's one of the main reasons I never wanted Alford at UCLA. I know it's quite awhile ago and a very biased story, but hard to defend Alford's actions in that situation.

After the way Howland protected Nelson and slapped the wrist of Jerime Anderson, I really hope Alford won't make the same mistake again if something like that were to happen again.

I'll give him time to prove himself and I expect him to recruit well, just not convinced he's a good enough coach.
 

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