calm down UofA fans, just thought it was a funny video. saw this on the syracuse board, too funny not to pass on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxyPeME9TbI&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxyPeME9TbI&sns=em
UA's best chance of making the dance?
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Ironic coming from you considering ASU is an extreme longshot to make the Tournament itself and your boy Jim Boeheim has been stupidly lobbying for Tournament expansion for years.
Is there anyone in the Pac-10 that deserves to be in the tourney this year? Both Arizona schools may back into the tourney this year.
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Someone's going to have to win in Seattle or Berkeley, other than that game there's not much left on the schedule for either team that will constitute a quality win for the selection committee. I think only UW, Cal, and the conference Tournament winner make it and that's being generous.
lets give it up for Mao for getting the fact that it was on the Syracuse board for a reason! I knew you'd get your panties in a bunch though.
Im sorry, but that was just dumb.. Not only was there no UofA reference, it was so absurd, it was well, dumb..
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ASU and UA have the same odds of making the tournament this year... Winning at Staples.
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Gotta disagree with you there.. While I agree UofA coming off 17 point drubbings to Oklahoma and San Diego St. being 4-5 and in all likelyhood 5-7 before they get into conference play, the chances of UofA extending their tourney streak is squarely on winning the PAC-10 Tournament...
The Devils are NOT in the same boat.. Their losses are a close on a neutral court to Duke, a close (albeit bad) loss at home to Baylor, and a tough loss on the road at BYU (a place where they are something like 73-2 their past 75 games)
The Devils have a good chance at being 10-3 when conference play starts and a 20-22 win season will get them in (meaning 10-8 conference record or better and a win or two in the PAC-10 tourney)
I am CERTAINLY not saying the Devils are a lock or anything, but saying ASU and UofA are both in the same boat at this point is like the Devils saying this year before the riverally game that we both were in the same boat to go to the Rose Bowl....
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The problem you're conveniently ignoring is ASU's RPI sucks and there's not much left on the schedule to drive it up. Probably will only be six or seven games left in the schedule against top 100 teams. And there's zero chance a 10-8 in this year's Pac gets you in as an at-large.
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Fair enough about their RPI, but I counted 10 games left against the top 100, and maybe a 10-8 PAC-10 team will not get an at learge bid, but if they have a top 100 RPI at the end of the season with 21-22 wins, you really think they have "no shot" at making the tournament?
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They would have to be top 50 RPI and even then it would be close. Auburn, Florida, and South Carolina had top 75 RPI's last year and winning records in the SEC and got left out.
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I think there is a serious miscalculation of how good the Pac 10 conference is this year if you're thinking a 10-8 conference record and 21 wins would get you an at large. The A-10 might be a better conference this year.
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22 wins form the Pac-10 puts you on the bubble this year.
The conference is so bad, playing teams like Oregon, Furd, UCLA, UA, SC, arent going to help your RPI and in some cases is going to lower your RPI.
Granted it was Kansas, but the win over UCLA dropped their RPI.
The conference is so bad, playing teams like Oregon, Furd, UCLA, UA, SC, arent going to help your RPI and in some cases is going to lower your RPI.
Granted it was Kansas, but the win over UCLA dropped their RPI.
^ why RPI is stupid.
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True and good points about past teams, and how poor the SEC was look on last year...
It will be interestng... but I think I agree it will take 22 wins to get to the bubble... but I do think assuming Cal/Wash win the Pac-10 tournament there should be 1 more that makes the tournament right? WAZZU/ASU should get it if one of them has 22 wins..
One of the factors that will impact the Pac 10 this year especially is the plethora of good teams from non-BCS conferences.
For expample, the A-10 could get four teams in this year. C-USA the same. MWC could get 2. Horizon, MVC, WCC all have multi-bid possiblities.
For expample, the A-10 could get four teams in this year. C-USA the same. MWC could get 2. Horizon, MVC, WCC all have multi-bid possiblities.
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Not necessarily, the SEC last year only got three because Mississippi State came out of nowhere to win the SEC Tournament. 22 wins, top 50 RPI, and top 3 regular season finish probably gets you in. Anything less and it's very dicey considering the conference's repuatation.
And total wins are essentially meaningless. The committee is more concerned with quality wins.
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I think they care less about quality wins and more about quality losses.
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Who is "they"?
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I think he's referring to the committee. But like most novice fans he's still confused as to why the selection committee would prefer rewarding teams that schedule good teams and lose a few of them than programs who schedule cupcakes and win.
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Strength of schedules are tough things to plan for in such advance.
For instance, when KU made their schedule for this year a couple of years ago
MEM neutral court
@ UCLA
Michigan
California
all looked like more competitive games than they might end up being.
However, the idea that the committee would look more at quality losses than quality wins makes no sense in any context.
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Not really, KU was going to beat those teams handily anyways. They go to Tennessee and Temple too right? That's a perfectly acceptable OOC schedule.
And you're missing the point - I never said the committee looks at quality wins vs quality losses. The committee looks at strength of schedule as a whole and has been adamant about this both publicly and privately for years. That means they'd rather have a good team play at Kansas and lose than play at home against Weber State and win. Bitch and moan if you want but that's how it works. TV games like the former is how these AD's and university Presidents the NCAA makes money off the sport.
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