Uncalled For Media Anger

[Chopper0080]

Kliff isn't running what he did here. Not even close. He adapted at USC with Caleb.

KK is a good OC, bad HC, and terrible HC/OC. I gave that guy a lot of grace here.

What did he adapt at USC when he was an offensive analyst? He is running basically the same offense in Washington that he did in AZ. It looks a bit different because of the QB executing it.

Agree that Kliff looks to be better suited as an OC than a HC.

 

[WisconsinCard]

What did he adapt at USC when he was an offensive analyst? He is running basically the same offense in Washington that he did in AZ. It looks a bit different because of the QB executing it.

Agree that Kliff looks to be better suited as an OC than a HC.

Perfectly stated.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

So far, this draft appears to be an absolute disaster. Monti thought he was outsmarting everyone by stacking up as many picks as possible. Most of them seem to be abysmal disappointments. And I am not just talking Harrison and Robinson: from the trade down for Max Melton down, all of the picks other than Tip Reiman have disappointed. Maybe Monti isn’t the genius he thinks he is. He also failed free agency

I'm not a big Monti fan but I disagree with this. The Cards are getting lots of playing time/production from their last 2 draft classes. I know a lot of that is based on the Cards lack of overall talent but they were right there playing for a playoff spot with what has to be one of the youngest rosters, PT wise, in the league. I know they're not playing at great levels but these guys are going to continue to improve. Plus, his 2 biggest defensive players drafted have been very limited by injury. They will improve with health and PT as well.
Rieman is pretty easy to be successful in his role. He comes in to mainly block and he's good at it.

I 100% agree on the free agency part.

 

[D-Dogg]

What did he adapt at USC when he was an offensive analyst? He is running basically the same offense in Washington that he did in AZ. It looks a bit different because of the QB executing it.

Agree that Kliff looks to be better suited as an OC than a HC.

Let me rephrase. He was informed by his experience at USC, and adapted his offense with his time there. His route trees now are much more complex and logical. With Hop, the route tree was simplistic. The playbook was also not that deep. You can say that's K1, won't argue that because we don't know, but in Washington the offensive concepts are more varied and open than they were here.

 

[Dayman]

Why is everything kyler 100% the problem or 100% not?

He's PART of the problem. Nothing said in what you quoted is incorrect. He carries blame, but ffs, we are lousy with issues that NOBODY is gonna come in and light it up with. BFFR.

I think the issue is that this board is so used to Kyler fights that it doesn't know what to do when nobody is defending him. Kyler has choked again down the stretch. There is no denying it. So the only thing left to do is blame him with more conviction and hyperbole.

It's also much easier to blame this team's troubles on one dude rather than admitting that this rebuild looks mediocre at best so far. I mean, I really wish Kyler was the only problem, too, but the roster construction and coaching issues tell me otherwise.

 

[DeAnna]

I don't call losing 4 of the last 5 with the likelihood of at least losing 1 or even both of our remaining games progress at all. The team is in meltdown mode, the coaching staff suddenly can't prepare the team, the offense functions like a misfiring Yugo, we have a choker checkdown Charlie QB, we are devoid of talent on defense, and we have an uber conservative GM who doesn't have the balls to spend to the cap or an owner who won't let him. I call all of that the opposite of progress. We might win 3 or 4 more games after an awful year last year, and still show no sign of being anything like a playoff team. Yay!

Well, when you put it THAT way ...

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think the issue is that this board is so used to Kyler fights that it doesn't know what to do when nobody is defending him. Kyler has choked again down the stretch. There is no denying it. So the only thing left to do is blame him with more conviction and hyperbole.

It's also much easier to blame this team's troubles on one dude rather than admitting that this rebuild looks mediocre at best so far. I mean, I really wish Kyler was the only problem, too, but the roster construction and coaching issues tell me otherwise.

Plenty of people have been arguing that the rebuild looks mediocre at best so far… and have been doing so for a while.

 

[Chopper0080]

Let me rephrase. He was informed by his experience at USC, and adapted his offense with his time there. His route trees now are much more complex and logical. With Hop, the route tree was simplistic. The playbook was also not that deep. You can say that's K1, won't argue that because we don't know, but in Washington the offensive concepts are more varied and open than they were here.

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It still is very simplistic. The route tree is not deep. It's the same offense. It's the same playbook. (Mostly. Kliff adjusted his every year he was in AZ)

 

[D-Dogg]

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It still is very simplistic. The route tree is not deep. It's the same offense. It's the same playbook. (Mostly. Kliff adjusted his every year he was in AZ)

 

[D-Dogg]

And when I say "logical" i mean motions, backfield hand-off, crossing routes, etc. Move your best targets around. Here, KK was not that OC. In Wash, he's opened up his scheme to be more creative.

The weird thing in my mind is that, without HC duties, he'd probably have had a stellar OC season with this roster this season.

 

[Stout]

I think the issue is that this board is so used to Kyler fights that it doesn't know what to do when nobody is defending him. Kyler has choked again down the stretch. There is no denying it. So the only thing left to do is blame him with more conviction and hyperbole.

It's also much easier to blame this team's troubles on one dude rather than admitting that this rebuild looks mediocre at best so far. I mean, I really wish Kyler was the only problem, too, but the roster construction and coaching issues tell me otherwise.

I know for my part, my recent angst is coming from the idea that bringing Kyler back for next season is a fait accompli. That would be a level of institutional ineptitude I cannot abide.

 

[Harry]

It probably depends on your view of Kyler. It's tough for an OC to be "good" when his QB is "mid" to bad". So if you think Kyler is not good, it isn't realistic to be overly critical of the OC.

Look at Kliff and the criticism his offense got. The key to fixing Kyler was putting him in a "pro" offense and getting him away from Kliff. Yet here we are. Kliff's offense looks great with Daniels, and Kyler continues to struggle. It doesn't matter what deep routes Petzing calls, if Kyler doesn't want to throw it deep, he won't. Every defense knows McBride is the focal point. If Kyler can't figure out how to get him the ball...teams can take him away.

While I indicated a number of Murray faults, I failed to mention I thought he threw better from the pocket. If they can improve the Oline, the receiver corps and get him to slide, opening throwing lanes, Murray could take a big step forward. Petzing deserves some of the criticism, but was far from a disaster.

 

[kerouac9]

While I indicated a number of Murray faults, I failed to mention I thought he threw better from the pocket. If they can improve the Oline, the receiver corps and get him to slide, opening throwing lanes, Murray could take a big step forward. Petzing deserves some of the criticism, but was far from a disaster.

Yes, if Kyler were a different player the results would be different.

 

[Redsz]

I know for my part, my recent angst is coming from the idea that bringing Kyler back for next season is a fait accompli. That would be a level of institutional ineptitude I cannot abide.

It's gonna happen. They will point to improvements in statistical categories to justify it.

 

[Redsz]

While I indicated a number of Murray faults, I failed to mention I thought he threw better from the pocket. If they can improve the Oline, the receiver corps and get him to slide, opening throwing lanes, Murray could take a big step forward. Petzing deserves some of the criticism, but was far from a disaster.

Hi Harry, what's your take on Kyler not attempting passes beyond 20 yds?

 

[Harry]

Hi Harry, what's your take on Kyler not attempting passes beyond 20 yds?

No receiver speed. Not enough time to throw to let this group get there. It also accounts for the lack of double move routes by the receivers.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Plenty of people have been arguing that the rebuild looks mediocre at best so far… and have been doing so for a while.

Admittedly I haven't watched every WC game this year but the first thing that jumped out to me was it seemed like he's using more pre-snap motion. But that could be because his new QB can use that to their advantage. Who knows.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Where does that leave us? Back here in 4 years, again, same arguments. I'm tired of firing everyone being the "solution" with this franchise. It isn't working.

So the alternative is keeping bad players, coaches and front office personnel?

 

[Stout]

No receiver speed. Not enough time to throw to let this group get there. It also accounts for the lack of double move routes by the receivers.

No accountability for Kyler at all? lol