Undefeated Super Bowl QBs with multiple rings

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With Peyton Manning adding a Super Bowl loss to his resume I was curious as to how many quarterbacks won multiple Super Bowls without losing. Here's the list:

4 - Terry Brandshaw, Joe Montana
3 - Troy Aikman
2 - Bart Starr, Jim Plunkett, Ben Roethlisberger (bah)

Hopefully Matt Leinart ends up on the list some day. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_wins
 

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Edit - I am forgetful.
 
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Odd how getting to the Super Bowl and losing with a "top tier" franchise can tarnish your legacy, PManning. While getting to the Super Bowl and losing with an historically moribund franchise can greatly enhance it, Warner.

BTW: I don't agree with those in the media who are saying the loss taints Peyton's legacy. And if they are only throwing out the question my answer is no.

Some were talking about how being 9-9 in the playoffs is sub par. Me, I think anybody who played well enough to QB his team in 18 playoff games in a career is pretty darn good.
 

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Some were talking about how being 9-9 in the playoffs is sub par. Me, I think anybody who played well enough to QB his team in 18 playoff games in a career is pretty darn good.
Not only that, but chances are that unless you WIN the Super Bowl, any given team is going to finish with a .500 record in the playoffs. The only exception would be a team that makes it to the game from the wildcard round.
 

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Well, Manning is essentially playing with house money at this point since he got is trophy against the Bears. He will rank higher than say, Fouts or Marino who never got one. But he will be lower first tier or top 2nd tier when it comes to discussing all-time greats.

It's bad enough for his reputation to have a loss in a Super Bowl but the pick-6 to end the game will be a lasting scuff on his legacy.
 

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Well, Manning is essentially playing with house money at this point since he got is trophy against the Bears. He will rank higher than say, Fouts or Marino who never got one. But he will be lower first tier or top 2nd tier when it comes to discussing all-time greats.

It's bad enough for his reputation to have a loss in a Super Bowl but the pick-6 to end the game will be a lasting scuff on his legacy.

Probably, but even that would be unfair. After all the pick six that Warner threw last year doesn't seem to have scuffed his legacy any. Of course that's probably a result of his getting his team back in front afterward. But still if he doesn't throw that pick the Cards likely win SB 43.
 

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Not only that, but chances are that unless you WIN the Super Bowl, any given team is going to finish with a .500 record in the playoffs. The only exception would be a team that makes it to the game from the wildcard round.

How about this? Since moving to Arizona the Cardinals have a postseason winning percentage of .625!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I still think Manning is going to go down in history as the greatest ever to play. I think he has a few more superbowl runs left in him. To talk about his fall from grace after yesterday is WAY premature, IMO.
 

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I'll take the QB that has no turnovers in the superbowl.
Joe Cool! The greatest QB to ever play the game!
Thank You very Much!
 

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I'll take the QB that has no turnovers in the superbowl.
Joe Cool! The greatest QB to ever play the game!
Thank You very Much!

As great as Montana was the 49ers still went one and done 3 years in a row in the post season. '85,86,'87.

Shows how tough it is in the postseason in the NFL.
 

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Probably, but even that would be unfair. After all the pick six that Warner threw last year doesn't seem to have scuffed his legacy any. Of course that's probably a result of his getting his team back in front afterward. But still if he doesn't throw that pick the Cards likely win SB 43.
I know what you mean but there is no way to guess at how the entire 2nd half would have gone. A pick-6 to end the half is far different than a pick-6 to effectively end the game. Neither are good of course but being in a hole is far different than having the door shut in your face.

Unfortunately for Manning, that play only reinforces the stigma that is already attached to him. Many other HOF QB's have lost Super Bowls but it's uncommon for one of them to throw the game away like that. The "great" ones drive down and tie or win the game in that situation. Throwing that pick-6 will hold far more significance in Manning's career than it would someone else's.

It won't remove him from greatness but that type of play in that type of game is going to stick.
 

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I still think Manning is going to go down in history as the greatest ever to play. I think he has a few more superbowl runs left in him. To talk about his fall from grace after yesterday is WAY premature, IMO.


Agreed... I'm pretty sure that had Garcon not dropped that key 3rd down pass that was right in his chest, or had Reggie Wayne stepped in front of Porter on the pick-6, or had Wayne caught the TD pass that went right thru his hands late in the 4th quarter, Manning would be taking a few less hits. It's amazing that people are all over him, when in the same game he made one of the greatest throws ever made in the Super Bowl - rolling right he dropped it over 3-4 defenders and perfectly placed it in the hands of (Clark?)...
 

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I know what you mean but there is no way to guess at how the entire 2nd half would have gone. A pick-6 to end the half is far different than a pick-6 to effectively end the game. Neither are good of course but being in a hole is far different than having the door shut in your face.

Unfortunately for Manning, that play only reinforces the stigma that is already attached to him. Many other HOF QB's have lost Super Bowls but it's uncommon for one of them to throw the game away like that. The "great" ones drive down and tie or win the game in that situation. Throwing that pick-6 will hold far more significance in Manning's career than it would someone else's.

It won't remove him from greatness but that type of play in that type of game is going to stick.

Several NFL players past and present have said that the pick-6 was more of a screw-up by Wayne than by Manning...
 

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Manning said it was a great play by the DB.


Yup... and the same past and present NFL players said that Manning's quote shows he has grown up and matured, as several years ago after a tough playoff loss where he was pressured and sacked all game, Peyton's post-game quote was "we had serious protection problems."
 

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I know what you mean but there is no way to guess at how the entire 2nd half would have gone. A pick-6 to end the half is far different than a pick-6 to effectively end the game. Neither are good of course but being in a hole is far different than having the door shut in your face.

Unfortunately for Manning, that play only reinforces the stigma that is already attached to him. Many other HOF QB's have lost Super Bowls but it's uncommon for one of them to throw the game away like that. The "great" ones drive down and tie or win the game in that situation. Throwing that pick-6 will hold far more significance in Manning's career than it would someone else's.

It won't remove him from greatness but that type of play in that type of game is going to stick.

Like that 64 yard TD pass to Fitz to take the lead. Greatest and most fleeting high ever for a Cardinal fan. Things like that tend to make people forget earlier problems.

That's one thing Warner and the Cards offense did consistently over the last two seasons, follow up a royal screw up with great games.

After 7 turnovers vs the Jets in '08 Warner goes 55-72 with 4 TDs the next two games. After throwing 5 picks this season vs Carolina he comes back and throws 12 TD passes without a pick.

Didn't someone mention he was the only QB to ever throw 5 picks one week and 5 TD passes the next?

Get hammered in 3 of their last 5 games in '08 and then blitz through the playoffs to the Super Bowl where they come back from down 20-7 to take the lead in the 4th.

Kind of appropriate for a QB and team playing in "Phoenix".
 

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Yup... and the same past and present NFL players said that Manning's quote shows he has grown up and matured, as several years ago after a tough playoff loss where he was pressured and sacked all game, Peyton's post-game quote was "we had serious protection problems."
So what are you trying to say?

I think the DB jumped the route and made a great read but you seem to be implying that it was all Reggie Wayne's fault and Manning should be given credit for not blaming him.

I don't really know what all these expert opinions really mean though. One ex-QB was saying that Manning clearly should not have thrown the ball. Which is most credible?
 

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So what are you trying to say?

I think the DB jumped the route and made a great read but you seem to be implying that it was all Reggie Wayne's fault and Manning should be given credit for not blaming him.

I don't really know what all these expert opinions really mean though. One ex-QB was saying that Manning clearly should not have thrown the ball. Which is most credible?


What I'm saying is that there are several dudes who know the game better than you, who believe that INT was more a fault of Wayne than Manning.
And while I am certain Peyton would love to come down on Reggie Wayne for essentially not showing up to the biggest game of the year, as well as Garcon for dropping a pass thrown right in his chest, he took the higher road and pointed out the solid play of Porter.
 

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What I'm saying is that there are several dudes who know the game better than you, who believe that INT was more a fault of Wayne than Manning.
And while I am certain Peyton would love to come down on Reggie Wayne for essentially not showing up to the biggest game of the year, as well as Garcon for dropping a pass thrown right in his chest, he took the higher road and pointed out the solid play of Porter.
But there is a former QB who says that it was Manning who should have, at worst, thrown the ball to Wayne's back shoulder as it looked like that is what he was expecting and ideally, should not have thrown the ball at all. That it was a bad decision by Manning.

Why shouldn't I believe that ex-player instead of the one's you've mentioned?

But taking the commentators opinions out of it, I think it just looked like a missed read or miscommunication. And Manning said it was a good play by the DB and the DB said he jumped the route because it was something he'd seen many times in his film studies...sometimes the obvious answer is the right answer. Manning threw a pick-6.

It wasn't tipped, the receiver didn't cut out instead of in, Manning wasn't being hit as he threw the ball, the defender didn't peel off his receiver into the passing lane...I don't really see how that one can be anything but as it appeared. Manning isn't perfect and the DB guessed right.
 

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Hard to tell without knowing what the route was suppose to be. If that was the correct route tho, maybe Manning should have thrown the ball a bit deeper and to the outside. The worst thing to do is throw a pick 6 in that situation. The 4th and goal pass it really looked like Wayne should have caught it, but let it go through his arms. The Colts look to be in good shape though and I'd be surprised if they don't get back to she SB in the upcoming years.
 

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As great as Montana was the 49ers still went one and done 3 years in a row in the post season. '85,86,'87.

Shows how tough it is in the postseason in the NFL.

NFL SB winners:
85-Bears 15-1
86-Giants
87-Redskins (strike shortened season)

The NFC was the tough conference.
 

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