Under Steve Keim, there hasn’t been a trench player drafted in the first two rounds since 2015

[DVontel]

If he’s unfortunately still the GM, will that change this year?

 

[jf-08]

 

[DVontel]

Actually, it was 2016.

Still a very long damn time.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

well last year he traded the pick so thats only 5 drafts. I dont think its out of this world reckless to not have drafted a trench player first round in 5 drafts is it?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

gross.

 

[jf-08]

well last year he traded the pick so thats only 5 drafts. I dont think its out of this world reckless to not have drafted a trench player first round in 5 drafts is it?

If I was a GM, I would only draft DL, OL, EDGE, CB in the first / second round unless a can't miss QB pops in there.

LBs, Safety, WR, RB, TE can be had 3+.

Build yourself an impenetrable/bull dozing OL and an assaulting DL/EDGE and you'll win more games than you lose.

 

[Zalixar]

If I was a GM, I would only draft DL, OL, EDGE, CB in the first / second round unless a can't miss QB pops in there.

LBs, Safety, WR, RB, TE can be had 3+.

Build yourself an impenetrable/bull dozing OL and an assaulting DL/EDGE and you'll win more games than you lose.

Some WR's are definitely worth in 1st/2nd, especially these days.

 

[DVontel]

If I was a GM, I would only draft DL, OL, EDGE, CB in the first / second round unless a can't miss QB pops in there.

LBs, Safety, WR, RB, TE can be had 3+.

Build yourself an impenetrable/bull dozing OL and an assaulting DL/EDGE and you'll win more games than you lose.

I would add WR in that first group.

Nowadays, you need two playmaking WRs to put you over the top.

 

[Zalixar]

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[Dback Jon]

Actually, it was 2016.

Still a very long damn time.

Yeah, but that was Robert Nkemdiche...

 

[Chopper0080]

The defensive front is probably the biggest surprise. He has tried to throw money at OL and DL and neither has worked to the degree they needed to. The middle round drafting of DL/OL/WR has yielded very little.

 

[HomerPimpson]

I've said this before and been hammered relentlessly, but Rod Graves (Aka the human snail) was a better GM. He put together our SB roster in 08. People often say Denny Green built that roster, but the fact is Graves was the GM. Keim was elevated after the Levi Brown pick over Adrian Peterson and was promoted to GM later (I won't relitigate this on the forum as there's tons of articles on it). I still contend Graves was right. If you draft AP you probably don't get Boldin and never get a Fitz. That roster was great. On offense we had weapons with Warner, Fitz, Boldin, Edge, and an average line even with Levi. On D we had Adub, Dockett, Rolle, DRC, etc a ton of role players and solid depth. That is how you build a roster and go to the SB. Our current roster is laughable compared to what we had before.

Keim is complete trash. To give him credibility because he wanted AP has proven, in my opinion, to be wrong anyway. AP didn't win anything, with better teams than the Cardinals.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

well last year he traded the pick so thats only 5 drafts. I dont think its out of this world reckless to not have drafted a trench player first round in 5 drafts is it?

Trading the pick doesn't matter. He still didn't use the pick to acquire an offensive or defensive lineman.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I've said this before and been hammered relentlessly, but Rod Graves (Aka the human snail) was a better GM. He put together our SB roster in 08. People often say Denny Green built that roster, but the fact is Graves was the GM. Keim was elevated after the Levi Brown pick over Adrian Peterson and was promoted to GM later (I won't relitigate this on the forum as there's tons of articles on it). I still contend Graves was right. If you draft AP you probably don't get Boldin and never get a Fitz. That roster was great. On offense we had weapons with Warner, Fitz, Boldin, Edge, and an average line even with Levi. On D we had Adub, Dockett, Rolle, DRC, etc a ton of role players and solid depth. That is how you build a roster and go to the SB. Our current roster is laughable compared to what we had before.

Keim is complete trash. To give him credibility because he wanted AP has proven, in my opinion, to be wrong anyway. AP didn't win anything, with better teams than the Cardinals.

Did you get a debate on this? By whom by chance?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I've said this before and been hammered relentlessly, but Rod Graves (Aka the human snail) was a better GM. He put together our SB roster in 08. People often say Denny Green built that roster, but the fact is Graves was the GM. Keim was elevated after the Levi Brown pick over Adrian Peterson and was promoted to GM later (I won't relitigate this on the forum as there's tons of articles on it). I still contend Graves was right. If you draft AP you probably don't get Boldin and never get a Fitz. That roster was great. On offense we had weapons with Warner, Fitz, Boldin, Edge, and an average line even with Levi. On D we had Adub, Dockett, Rolle, DRC, etc a ton of role players and solid depth. That is how you build a roster and go to the SB. Our current roster is laughable compared to what we had before.

Keim is complete trash. To give him credibility because he wanted AP has proven, in my opinion, to be wrong anyway. AP didn't win anything, with better teams than the Cardinals.

Adrian Peterson was drafted after we already had Fitz and Boldin on the roster. Cost us a Super Bowl.

Not surprised Keim the jackass is revisionist history on that pick. It’s quite common from the idiots over on Hardy. Just last week Kingsbury and Keim were saying how much they loved Kenneth Walker before the draft. Well then why didn’t you trade up a few spots for him instead of picking Trey McBride?

 

[HomerPimpson]

Adrian Peterson was drafted after we already had Fitz and Boldin on the roster. Cost us a Super Bowl.

Appreciate the correction, it matters.

 

[HomerPimpson]

Did you get a debate on this? By whom by chance?

Many times, but MaoTosiFanClub posted why.

I don't agree with it but can't dispute it.

 

[don7031]

Kurt Warner was the most hit quarterback in the league the year the Cardinals went to the Super Bowl.

 

[HomerPimpson]

Kurt Warner was the most hit quarterback in the league the year the Cardinals went to the Super Bowl.

And at the time the Steelers we faced in the SB had the worst offensive line in the NFL.

(Dockett almost had him man)

 

[ASUCHRIS]

And at the time the Steelers we faced in the SB had the worst offensive line in the NFL.

(Dockett almost had him man)

Dockett had a huge game. He's going to be a name that's forgotten as time goes by, (and the fact that he isn't a Bidwill favorite) but Darnell had a huge impact in terms of making us a legit team. We could really use a guy like him right now.

 

[HomerPimpson]

Dockett had a huge game. He's going to be a name that's forgotten as time goes by, (and the fact that he isn't a Bidwill favorite) but Darnell had a huge impact in terms of making us a legit team. We could really use a guy like him right now.

Docket was nasty. We need that.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Docket was nasty. We need that.

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the smiley face is what takes it to LOL territory. THOSE were fun teams to root for.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Dockett had a huge game. He's going to be a name that's forgotten as time goes by, (and the fact that he isn't a Bidwill favorite) but Darnell had a huge impact in terms of making us a legit team. We could really use a guy like him right now.

A joke that Palmer is in RoH over him.

MB is a spoiled, petulant man baby.

 

[HomerPimpson]

A joke that Palmer is in RoH over him.

MB is a spoiled, petulant man baby.

So agree with this. But I'm not a Palmer fan. He did what he always did, lose big games. Full stop.

 

[CardLogic]

A joke that Palmer is in RoH over Dockett.

Agree, but Palmer being a QB, it's not surprising. . .

Dockett was not only very good between the lines, but he was the progenitor of BIRDGANG, and a "take no prisoners" attitude; a critical element for any football team!