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[TJ]

I'd rather have Doncic or Young than Bagley, if we're taking on a likely defensive sieve then I'd want to get one that will make life for everyone on offense easier.

But there is no chance we can get Badley or Doncic (and keep Ayton) IMO.

Doncic isn’t great on defense either and Young can be a turnover machine. Bagley is at least inches away from Ayton’s offensive arsenal and is a tremendous rebounder.

You’re right though. It’s an either/or situation.

 

[Phrazbit]

If Doncic and his agent not only don’t meet with teams but flat out don’t answer calls or even acknowledge them, would they still draft him?

Can you take a guy in the top-5 that not only ignores you but has the option to stay in Europe unlike college prospects?

I think we're jumping the gun a bit. My guess is this threat is specific to the Kings. A terrible team in a tiny, inland city, with an idiot and meddlesome owner who makes Sarver look like Jerry Buss.

I feel bad for their fans.

 

[Carolinacacti]

I would think Doncic would want to play for the Kings. They have Bogdon and Vlade is the GM .

 

[GatorAZ]

I think we're jumping the gun a bit. My guess is this threat is specific to the Kings. A terrible team in a tiny, inland city, with an idiot and meddlesome owner who makes Sarver look like Jerry Buss.

I feel bad for their fans.

Our playoff drought doesn’t sound to bad compared to the Kings.

 

[Hoop Head]

Can you take a guy in the top-5 that not only ignores you but has the option to stay in Europe unlike college prospects?

Isn't this exactly why Rubio fell years ago? I think he was picked #5 and he was hyped big before that draft. Minnesota gambled taking him because that wasn't a preferred destination but they had a few top picks that year. They selected another PG #6 to ensure they were covered at PG. There aren't any teams with 2 high lottery picks this year to gamble on Doncic like the Wolves did with Rubio. I can see a team calling his bluff but not until #6 or #7 when the other top prospects have been selected. Doncic may shoot himself in the foot trying to force his way somewhere. I know Phoenix is a destination he'd like to go to but we can only do so much, he doesn't fill the right holes on our roster so taking him at #1 would be questionable, especially if the Suns don't take him #1 he could realistically fall down to #7 or #8 because he's tried forcing himself to a certain destination. That would be about a million less a year in salary also, falling that far.

 

[pokerface]

Isn't this exactly why Rubio fell years ago? I think he was picked #5 and he was hyped big before that draft. Minnesota gambled taking him because that wasn't a preferred destination but they had a few top picks that year. They selected another PG #6 to ensure they were covered at PG. There aren't any teams with 2 high lottery picks this year to gamble on Doncic like the Wolves did with Rubio. I can see a team calling his bluff but not until #6 or #7 when the other top prospects have been selected. Doncic may shoot himself in the foot trying to force his way somewhere. I know Phoenix is a destination he'd like to go to but we can only do so much, he doesn't fill the right holes on our roster so taking him at #1 would be questionable, especially if the Suns don't take him #1 he could realistically fall down to #7 or #8 because he's tried forcing himself to a certain destination. That would be about a million less a year in salary also, falling that far.

We're better off making a serious push for Young. But not much better off...pfft

 

[JCSunsfan]

OK. I would want Doncic over Young. But just looking at the team with Ayton, we need a defensive, distributing, shooting pg. Does not have to be flashy but has to do all those well. Neither Doncic or Young fill all those roles.

 

[GatorAZ]

Isn't this exactly why Rubio fell years ago? I think he was picked #5 and he was hyped big before that draft. Minnesota gambled taking him because that wasn't a preferred destination but they had a few top picks that year. They selected another PG #6 to ensure they were covered at PG. There aren't any teams with 2 high lottery picks this year to gamble on Doncic like the Wolves did with Rubio. I can see a team calling his bluff but not until #6 or #7 when the other top prospects have been selected. Doncic may shoot himself in the foot trying to force his way somewhere. I know Phoenix is a destination he'd like to go to but we can only do so much, he doesn't fill the right holes on our roster so taking him at #1 would be questionable, especially if the Suns don't take him #1 he could realistically fall down to #7 or #8 because he's tried forcing himself to a certain destination. That would be about a million less a year in salary also, falling that far.

I know Curry refused to meet with Minnesota that year but I don’t know about Rubio. I though it was somewhat known he wasn’t coming over right away after the draft.

https://www.theringer.com/2017/5/25/16044118/lonzo-ball-workout-refusal-boston-celtics-c645d49fa3af

 

[hcsilla]

Isn't this exactly why Rubio fell years ago?

Yes, it is, at very least partially.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He Vlade! Ever heard of Fran Vazquez? Ask Orlando about him.

 

[rocker]

This is getting crazy now. This simply can't all be coincidence.

March 30th - Billy Duffy does an interview for a European television station where he mentions only 2-3 situations where Doncic would go to. Mentions Kokoskov and the Suns in basically the same sentence with Doncic. He says if he was a magician he would make it happen.

At this time the Suns were not even known to be speaking to coaches let alone an agent basically saying that he is the Suns coach.

April 9th. Gambo who literally said on twitter that he only works with inside information runs down Doncic on the air saying he is immature and unliked by his teammates.

April 13th. Sarver attends Doncic's game without any other Suns scouts or GMs. He is only discovered to be there because a European reporter recognizes him.

April 29th Sarver has a one on one interview with 2 hours with Kokoskov without the GM or other Suns representatives.

May 2nd Kokoskov is unofficially named the Suns head coach

May 14th Kokoskov introduced as Suns head coach officially

May 15th the Suns with the lottery and the #1 pick.

May 16th. Gambo says that it 100% a lock the Suns draft Ayton. Asked if it is gut or factual knowledge and he says he never works from the gut.

May 16th. Gambo again runs down Doncic on his show inexplicably

May 16th. Suns GM heads to the Euro Four to scout Doncic

May 17th. Doncic announces he may stay longer in Europe

Look at the video at minute 3:00, in fact, the journalist asks him that everyone is talking about Kokoskov to go to Phoenix. And interview was made in early March. Over here it was soon after the Eurobasket 2017 clear, that Kokoskov is the most likely option for Phoenix. And these rumors had to come from U.S.

https://svet.24ur.com/clanek/svet-sporta/dosje-luka-doncic-tik-pred-odhodom-v-nba.html

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

What stops Doncic, or any player who would certainly be drafted, from just "walking on" to the team for which he wishes to play? There must be rules against that somehow, right? Does someone determine "This guy is too good" and he is not allowed to do that? I get that the money aspect may be tough for the player.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What stops Doncic, or any player who would certainly be drafted, from just "walking on" to the team for which he wishes to play? There must be rules against that somehow, right? Does someone determine "This guy is too good" and he is not allowed to do that? I get that the money aspect may be tough for the player.

Collective bargaining agreement precludes them from doing so unless they declared for draft and went undrafted or I believe are a certain age or certain number i years removed from college. Regardless it can’t happen with a top prospect. They have to go to team that drafts them rather than pick their team.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Collective bargaining agreement precludes them from doing so unless they declared for draft and went undrafted or I believe are a certain age or certain number i years removed from college. Regardless it can’t happen with a top prospect. They have to go to team that drafts them rather than pick their team.

Thanks for the info!

 

[Chaplin]

Collective bargaining agreement precludes them from doing so unless they declared for draft and went undrafted or I believe are a certain age or certain number i years removed from college. Regardless it can’t happen with a top prospect. They have to go to team that drafts them rather than pick their team.

Yeah that was my question as well.

What's the statute of limitations when a player can simply sign as a free agent versus being forced to participate in the draft?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah that was my question as well.

What's the statute of limitations when a player can simply sign as a free agent versus being forced to participate in the draft?

That i don’t know.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The conspiracy thickens. If the Suns pick up the #4 pick, Duffy could manipulate enough to get Doncic to fall that far. If Sac or Atlanta takes him, then we just take Bamba, Bagley, Young, or even Porter and call it a day.

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[Hoop Head]

Yeah that was my question as well.

What's the statute of limitations when a player can simply sign as a free agent versus being forced to participate in the draft?

A player becomes eligible after 4 years of college ball or 22 years old overseas. If they go undrafted then they can sign with whoever for whatever. Had that same question yesterday and found this...



https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Europe...aft-Cant-they-just-get-a-contract-with-a-team

 

[Mainstreet]

The conspiracy thickens. If the Suns pick up the #4 pick, Duffy could manipulate enough to get Doncic to fall that far. If Sac or Atlanta takes him, then we just take Bamba, Bagley, Young, or even Porter and call it a day.

Just do it if the price is not off the wall.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That i don’t know.

I think its 24 years old. Thats what I remember anyway, but that could have been a previous CBA. But if they have entered the draft, the team that drafts them has their rights forever.

Ah. Its 22. Corrected.

 

[Mainstreet]

Another thought. If the Suns can get to #4 without giving up the farm, it's much easier to negotiate with teams at #2 or #3.

A team drafting at #2 or #3 is more willing to drop to #4.

Or the Suns may just draft BPA at #4 for a player like Young or Doncic.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Another thought. If the Suns can get to #4 without giving up the farm, it's much easier to negotiate with teams at #2 or #3.

A team drafting at #2 or #3 is more willing to drop to #4.

Or the Suns may just draft BPA at #4 for a player like Young or Doncic.

Nah. Just stay at #4. Let Doncic make his threats. They won't risk it. Bagley, Porter, Bamba, Jackson are all good players.

After all. If we managed to get the #4 pick and Sac takes Doncic, I would be really intrigued with any of those players myself. Imagine if Porter's back checks out. He could be fantastic. It could be like drawing AD and KD in the same draft.

 

[Mainstreet]

Nah. Just stay at #4. Let Doncic make his threats. They won't risk it. Bagley, Porter, Bamba, Jackson are all good players.

After all. If we managed to get the #4 pick and Sac takes Doncic, I would be really intrigued with any of those players myself. Imagine if Porter's back checks out. He could be fantastic. It could be like drawing AD and KD in the same draft.

I know JC. I'm just so excited by all the options in the draft. Finally the Suns are in position to wheel and deal.

It's our time.

 

[Chaplin]

It could be like drawing AD and KD in the same draft.

Geez.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Another thought. If the Suns can get to #4 without giving up the farm, it's much easier to negotiate with teams at #2 or #3.

A team drafting at #2 or #3 is more willing to drop to #4.

Or the Suns may just draft BPA at #4 for a player like Young or Doncic.

Didn’t I just say that somewhere?