Updated Top Five Replacement Coach Wish List

[kerouac9]

1. Jim Fassell - Offensive coach, good game manager, experienced, excellent motivator, good judge of talent. Complete package, and knows the Valley. If he's out, he should be here.

2. Jim Schwarz - Those Titans defenses are good year after year with mid-level talent for a reason, and that's Jim Schwartz. Might also aid in the recruitment of Javon Kearse to the Valley as a free agent. I think he also worked with Duane Starks in Baltimore.

3. Tom Coughlin - Because he's been out of football, he might cede some control over personnell matters. He's experienced and detail-oriented, which is something that this team has needed desperately. I don't think that this team is as bad as some do, so I'm not totally concered about his ability to help recruit free agents. He's not at the top of my list, but he'll do, and do well.

4. Dan Reeves - The bloom has kind of come off the rose with Reeves, but I think that he can still be a strong coach and influence on this young team. His offensive system fits well with the personnel we have here, and can recruit very good assistants.

5. Gregg Williams - You want blitzes? You want high-risk, high-reward D? Williams is your guy. Could help recruit Antowine Winfield in offseason.

Just some thoughts.

 

[40yearfan]

How about Winkle Von Borowitz, the town drunk. He don't know a lot about football, but he'll work for peanuts and bourbon.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by 40yearfan
How about Winkle Von Borowitz, the town drunk. He don't know a lot about football, but he'll work for peanuts and bourbon.

Mmmmm. Peanuts and Bourbon...

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by 40yearfan
How about Winkle Von Borowitz, the town drunk. He don't know a lot about football, but he'll work for peanuts and bourbon.

Hey 40yr.....you forgot to mention, he's never lost a game as a pro coach either.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
1. Jim Fassell - Offensive coach, good game manager, experienced, excellent motivator, good judge of talent. Complete package, and knows the Valley. If he's out, he should be here.

2. Jim Schwarz - Those Titans defenses are good year after year with mid-level talent for a reason, and that's Jim Schwartz. Might also aid in the recruitment of Javon Kearse to the Valley as a free agent. I think he also worked with Duane Starks in Baltimore.

3. Tom Coughlin - Because he's been out of football, he might cede some control over personnell matters. He's experienced and detail-oriented, which is something that this team has needed desperately. I don't think that this team is as bad as some do, so I'm not totally concered about his ability to help recruit free agents. He's not at the top of my list, but he'll do, and do well.

4. Dan Reeves - The bloom has kind of come off the rose with Reeves, but I think that he can still be a strong coach and influence on this young team. His offensive system fits well with the personnel we have here, and can recruit very good assistants.

5. Gregg Williams - You want blitzes? You want high-risk, high-reward D? Williams is your guy. Could help recruit Antowine Winfield in offseason.

Just some thoughts.

I like your top three, but I wouldn't want Reeves or Williams.

Reeves is no longer a great coach, and I think the game has passed him by in some aspects. We still need a moderately young coach.

Williams is about to be fired, so obviously there is something wrong there. To be totally honest, I don't keep up with Buffalo that much so I'm to keen on what's going on there.

I would add:

4. Romeo Crennel- Patriots Defensive Coordinator. Has worked under Bill Belicheck for years, so he has seen first hand how an NFL team is run. He is considered by many to be an extremely bright defensive mind.

 

[SECTION 11]

I'm still not thrilled with the Reeves suggestion.
I agree with Fassel though. I think he's done a great job in New York.

 

[SECTION 11]

Re: Re: Updated Top Five Replacement Coach Wish List

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
4. Romeo Crennel- Patriots Defensive Coordinator. Has worked under Bill Belicheck for years, so he has seen first hand how an NFL team is run. He is considered by many to be an extremely bright defensive mind.

Or Charlie Weis, the OC in New England for that matter.
Here's a snipet...
http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/features_2001/sb_0201023.asp

 

[kerouac9]

Re: Re: Re: Updated Top Five Replacement Coach Wish List

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Or Charlie Weis, the OC in New England for that matter.
Here's a snipet...
http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/features_2001/sb_0201023.asp

I don't really like the offense that New England runs. We don't have the personnel for it, for one, and two, I just don't think that it's aesthetically pleasing. New England's O gets away with a lot of BS because their D is so good.

I don't like the OC in Pittsburgh for similar reasons: he just is too taken up with his system. He didn't even seem to look at how the Cards beat the Niners: run the ball straight at 'em. All that trickery plays right into their strength.

I understand that Reeves isn't going to set the town on fire, but I think that he's solid, and I think that's what this team needs. He could even be a three-year bridge to a hotshot coordinator or something. I think that he can build the team.

 

[ajcardfan]

I brought up Schwartz yesterday in another thread. He's been in Tennessee for five years, three as the DC, so I don't think he worked with Starks. I like the fact that he's learned from Fisher who has proven he can consistently win in the NFL. And, although Fisher has been the Oilers/Titans coach for quite a while, he has not gotten stale with his team like it seems has happened to Mac and Cowher this year.


It'll sure be interesting once we hear a list of real candiates, not just guessing like we are now.

 

[pinnacle]

Romeo Crennel...at least he deserves an interview.

The negative I have seen posted is that Billicheck is the genius and perhaps romeo is along for the ride...but Romeo has spent most of his career working with either Parcells or Billicheck - and I do not see either of them hiring dummies...also - per his resume - he was on his own one season in cleveland without billicheck and he improved their sack total from 25 the year before he arrived to 42...the entire cleveland staff was flushed - so he went back to be the DC of the Patriots in their super bowl year (he was I think linebackers coach before he left)....I doubt billicheck is 100% responsible for the defense of the Patriots for the year they won the super bowl...at least some of the credit should go to Romeo..not all..but some.

Also...I think he is the kind of guy that would take the job..it would be a big promotion and alot more $$.

 

[earthsci]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Updated Top Five Replacement Coach Wish List

Originally posted by kerouac9
I understand that Reeves isn't going to set the town on fire, but I think that he's solid, and I think that's what this team needs. He could even be a three-year bridge to a hotshot coordinator or something. I think that he can build the team.

Now I see where you are coming from. I don't like Reeves but I do agree with you that he would make this team better than it is. I would hope to hire a coach (like Carolina did with Fox) that we wouldn't plan on getting rid of at a certain point.

How much money do you think that it would take to get Bob Stoops? Who am I kidding?

 

[kerouac9]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Updated Top Five Replacement Coach Wish List

Originally posted by earthsci
How much money do you think that it would take to get Bob Stoops? Who am I kidding?

Yourself. Did you read the little article in SI a couple weeks ago? The guy LOVES being a college coach in Oklahoma. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up like JoPa, only with more wins and national championships.

Romeo Crennel would deserve a good look. I just would like to see someone with some game-management experience first hand, and not sitting in the booth. That's one of my primarny requirements in drafting a list. I also think that we need to move in a new direction. Finally, Crennel has dealt with veteran players, and doesn't have a lot of experience with young teams. I'd prefer to deal with a coach that has built solid systems from the ground up.

 

[earthsci]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Updated Top Five Replacement Coach Wish List

Originally posted by kerouac9
Yourself. Did you read the little article in SI a couple weeks ago? The guy LOVES being a college coach in Oklahoma. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up like JoPa, only with more wins and national championships.

Romeo Crennel would deserve a good look. I just would like to see someone with some game-management experience first hand, and not sitting in the booth. That's one of my primarny requirements in drafting a list. I also think that we need to move in a new direction. Finally, Crennel has dealt with veteran players, and doesn't have a lot of experience with young teams. I'd prefer to deal with a coach that has built solid systems from the ground up.

You're right. He would be an idiot to leave the college ranks.

We do need to find a great coordinator like Crennel or Lovie Smith. Not someone thats real likable. Someone who gets results.

 

[artp]

I think the Cardinals need to do everything they can to get a guy that has been a successful HC. Green, Fassel, Coughlin, Cowher, etc. Someone has to generate some excitement going into the new stadium. For the most part, we've always hired assistants (Bugel, Tobin, Mac). It hasn't worked. Why do we think it will this time?

 

[SECTION 11]

Stoops re-upped for around $2M for I think another four years.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Have been looking at some stuff Jim Schwartz DC of the Titans has done. Pretty impressive especially with how young his defense is. Carlos Hall was a 7th round pick and made an immediate impact. As have Rocky Calmus and and Rocky Boiman. He believed in developing Keith Bulluck instead of throwing him into the fire and now he is one of the best LBs in the leaugue. Haynesworth who was drafted three picks after Wendell is a player. Plus Chuck Cecil is on his staff so he might come with if Schwartz were to come here. This guy definitely needs a look.

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by artp
I think the Cardinals need to do everything they can to get a guy that has been a successful HC. Green, Fassel, Coughlin, Cowher, etc. Someone has to generate some excitement going into the new stadium. For the most part, we've always hired assistants (Bugel, Tobin, Mac). It hasn't worked. Why do we think it will this time?

Every one of those successful HC was a coordinator first. Don't you wish that John Fox was our coach? There is a reason why Green and Coughlin are unemployed. JMO but I don't like them. Fassel or Cowher I would jump on in a second if they were available.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by artp
I think the Cardinals need to do everything they can to get a guy that has been a successful HC. Green, Fassel, Coughlin, Cowher, etc. Someone has to generate some excitement going into the new stadium. For the most part, we've always hired assistants (Bugel, Tobin, Mac). It hasn't worked. Why do we think it will this time?

It's more about who the assistant you're hiring is than just "don't hire an assistant." Marvis Lewis is a rookie head coach, too.

The only assistants I'd be really interested in are Crennell, Schwartz, and Smith (who is just borderline for me, I don't know; those teams are so up and down). I agree that a coach with some head coaching experience is very important (even as just a high school or college head coach), I think that just being able to game plan and think on your feet and make quick decisions are important. If an assistant can do that, snatch him up.

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by kerouac9
3. Tom Coughlin - Because he's been out of football, he might cede some control over personnell matters. He's experienced and detail-oriented, which is something that this team has needed desperately. I don't think that this team is as bad as some do, so I'm not totally concered about his ability to help recruit free agents. He's not at the top of my list, but he'll do, and do well.

K9:

Tom Coughlin is at the top of my list, for the reasons you've mentioned and then some. (BTW, he's already gone on record with his willingness to give up personnel control.) If there's playoff-caliber talent in the Cardinals roster, he'd find it. No one works harder, puts in longer hours, or sweats the details more. And his teams don't burn three TOs in the first quarter, jump offsides at the hint of a hard count, or commit the many other errors that have contributed to the Cards' meltdown this season. Finally, as the #2 candidate for the Cincinnati job, he's clearly not afraid to work for one of the league's least-successful organizations.

I don't think the Cards will get him, though. They could've had Coughlin at hello, during the bye week. By waiting until the end of the season, they'll be in line with all the other teams looking for a proven winner as head coach.

Unless Graves makes him an offer he can't refuse--unlikely, given this franchise's history of HC compensation--Tom Coughlin will replace Dave Wannstedt in Miami. (Don't think Wayne Huizenga has forgotten the 62-7 drubbing Coughlin's Jaguars gave his Dolphins in the '99 playoffs, effectively ending Jimmy Johnson's and Dan Marino's careers.) Take it to the bank.

WC

 

[Capital Card]

Someone that should be looked at is Al Saunders.

He is the Assistant Head Coach AND Offensive Coordinator for Kansas City. Prior to that, he was the receivers coach for the Rams when they won the Superbowl.

I think he would make a solid choice, but I'm not sure he would leave KC, where he could take over for Vermeil in a year or two.

But, as everyone like to add some Arizona reference, the guy was born in England, so maybe we could show him the London Bridge.

Go Cards!!!

 

[pinnacle]

capital card...saunders would be at the top of my list...but - as you say - everyone thinks vermeil is leaving after this season or next - and saunders will be the head coach...I doubt he would consider going anywhere...but other than that - he would be a strong candidate.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I had posted on another thread about how Bidwill and Co. should consider Maurice Carthon as a candidate. He would be ideal for Shipp and Anderson, but of course they already are under the tutelage of Emmit anyways.

Then I came across someone who probably would be suited, which is Sean Payton (click on name).... If the Cardinals indeed use their 1st selection on a QB, Payton would be able to apply the same magic he has used to improve the likes of Kerry Collins and now Quincy Carter has improved his over-all game with Payton guiding him..... He's also coached under both Fassel and Parcells, so he's gained a lot of input from them.... Payton (similar to Carthon) wouldn't command the lucrative contract and over-all player-personnel control that Dennis Green or Coughlin would demand....

If the Cardinals don't consider Payton, I won't be shocked if he has a head-coaching position w/in the next 2-5 yrs.....

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by KingLouieLouie
I had posted on another thread about how Bidwill and Co. should consider Maurice Carthon as a candidate. He would be ideal for Shipp and Anderson, but of course they already are under the tutelage of Emmit anyways.

Then I came across someone who probably would be suited, which is Sean Payton (click on name).... If the Cardinals indeed use their 1st selection on a QB, Payton would be able to apply the same magic he has used to improve the likes of Kerry Collins and now Quincy Carter has improved his over-all game with Payton guiding him..... He's also coached under both Fassel and Parcells, so he's gained a lot of input from them.... Payton (similar to Carthon) wouldn't command the lucrative contract and over-all player-personnel control that Dennis Green or Coughlin would demand....

If the Cardinals don't consider Payton, I won't be shocked if he has a head-coaching position w/in the next 2-5 yrs.....

Sean Payton would be a good choice as OC, but not head coach. He's doing an all right job with Carter in Dallas, but he got stripped of his playcalling duties in New York last year and was summarily fired by Fassel after last season. Furthermore, I don't know how much of Quincy's development in Dallas is Payton and how much is Parcells.

Payton was once on the fast track to an HC job, but now his luster has worn off, and it would look to many like a "fall back" choice. I don't think it would excite the fan base here very much, either.

I also don't think that the fan base would be that excited about Coughlin, which is why he's lower on my wish list, WC. He'd be a solid choice, but you know what you're getting from him. I also think that the difference between him and Mac in the P.R. department would be so striking as to turn off a lot of fans and the media, and what this franchise needs is a dawning in the public eye. I think that Coughlin would be a solid choice, but not at the top of my list. He'd probably do better in Miami, where all they want is to win.

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I think that Coughlin would be a solid choice, but not at the top of my list. He'd probably do better in Miami, where all they want is to win.

Huh? All I want is to win too. What more could the Cards need than that?

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

2 Words

Originally posted by MaoTosiFanClub
Have been looking at some stuff Jim Schwartz DC of the Titans has done. Pretty impressive especially with how young his defense is. Carlos Hall was a 7th round pick and made an immediate impact. As have Rocky Calmus and and Rocky Boiman. He believed in developing Keith Bulluck instead of throwing him into the fire and now he is one of the best LBs in the leaugue. Haynesworth who was drafted three picks after Wendell is a player. Plus Chuck Cecil is on his staff so he might come with if Schwartz were to come here. This guy definitely needs a look.

2 words why I like Schwartz.....CHUCK CECIL.

But seriously folks.....I'd rather go this way than the washed up head coach way......it CAN work.....2 words again....MARVIN LEWIS.

The only ex-head coach I like is Fassel and maybe Norv Turner who is currently an OC (Miami).