Updated Top Five Replacement Coach Wish List

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What would worry me about Coughlin is how he is the complete opposite of Mac. His strict regimen would not only damage the possibility of marquee free agents coming here, but also anger the players that are in here already.

I know this example is on the college level but remember when Mackovic came to Tucson to replace Tomey. Thise two were polar opposites in a similar way as Mac and Coughlin. Mackovic soon lost the team. I suugest we get someone who is more like a 'strict parent,' rather than a 'drill sergeant.'
 

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Originally posted by MaoTosiFanClub
What would worry me about Coughlin is how he is the complete opposite of Mac. His strict regimen would not only damage the possibility of marquee free agents coming here, but also anger the players that are in here already.

I know this example is on the college level but remember when Mackovic came to Tucson to replace Tomey. Thise two were polar opposites in a similar way as Mac and Coughlin. Mackovic soon lost the team. I suugest we get someone who is more like a 'strict parent,' rather than a 'drill sergeant.'

I whole-heartedly agree but, wait.
 

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I know he would never want to coach in the NFL, but we need to find the next Bill Snyder!

For you young ones out there...Kansas State used to be the WORST college football program in the entire universe. They have become one of the elite Division I teams, and are continually ranked high. Thats what the Cardinals need. Someone like Snyder to "resurrect", or should I say "erect" the Cardinal organization. Who can possibly do it?
 

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Originally posted by AZ Shocker
I know he would never want to coach in the NFL, but we need to find the next Bill Snyder!


Sorry you can't schedule Troy St., James Madison, Western Tennessee Tech, Baylor, and Iowa State in the NFL. K-State and Bill Snyder are an annual overrated joke.
 

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Originally posted by MaoTosiFanClub
Sorry you can't schedule Troy St., James Madison, Western Tennessee Tech, Baylor, and Iowa State in the NFL. K-State and Bill Snyder are an annual overrated joke.


True, but I think he's getting at the turn-around that Snyder put in place at KState. That program was arguable the worst in all of college football and are now at least respectable.

That's painful to say.
 

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
True, but I think he's getting at the turn-around that Snyder put in place at KState. That program was arguable the worst in all of college football and are now at least respectable.

That's painful to say.

I grew up in Kansas for a while, and KState was beyond bad in the 70's and 80's. Sure, K-State schedules some cupcakes in their nonconference games. But so do Oklahoma and Nebraska. And K-State has definitely held their own in the Big 12 since Snyder has been there.

In fact, some people, like Nebraska fans, might say K-State has more than held their own. It's tougher to get winning teams in places like K-State and Oregon State than it is anywhere in the NFL, including here. The rules of the NFL are built to produce parity. Hell, even we took advantage of that in 1998.
 

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Sorry you can't schedule Troy St., James Madison, Western Tennessee Tech, Baylor, and Iowa State in the NFL. K-State and Bill Snyder are an annual overrated joke.

But its okay for Florida St., Miami and all the other Top-20 schools to do so. Another note that most people don't know about since KSU doesn't get a lot of national press is the fact that Bill Snyder has to continually reload on is assistant coaches. Every year, he's losing good assistants to head coaching jobs elsewhere. If that doesn't show success, I don't know what does. Where do you think Bill and Bob Stoops learned how to play/coach defense and build a program?

btw...You conveintly left off all the teams he and K-State have beaten recently!

USC (twice) (Last year and the year before in Pasadena)
Tennessee
Iowa
Texas (with Heisman Ricky Williams)
Nebraska (4 out of 6 years)
Oklahoma (almost through the entire 1990's)
Arizona St.
Washington
California
Texas A&M
Colorado
Syracuse
Oklahoma St.
Missouri

...and Bill Snyder and K-state have quietly compiled the best Big 12 win/loss record (tied with Nebraska) since the Big-12 formed.

Big 12 Conference records

1a. KSU 48-15 .762
1b. Neb 48-15 .762
2. Tex 46-17 .730
3. OU 40-23 .635
4. CU 39-24 .619
5. A&M 36-27 .571
6. TTU 35-28 .555
7. OSU 25-38 .397
8. MU 24-38 .387
9. ISU 17-45 .274
10. KU 14-49 .222
11. Bay 05-58 .079

all in little old Manhatten Kansas.

Any questions?
 
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ajcardfan: Sorry you had to live in Kansas..it must have been awful.:D

Not that I am biased or anything (big Mizzou fan).
 

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Originally posted by AZ Shocker
But its okay for Florida St., Miami and all the other Top-20 schools to do so.


Any questions?

Actually if you do your research you will find that Kansas State's out-of-conference schedule does not even remotely compare with those of FSU or Miami. You gotta be kidding me arguing about K-State's schedule.
 

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Originally posted by AZ Shocker
But its okay for Florida St., Miami and all the other Top-20 schools to do so. Another note that most people don't know about since KSU doesn't get a lot of national press is the fact that Bill Snyder has to continually reload on is assistant coaches. Every year, he's losing good assistants to head coaching jobs elsewhere. If that doesn't show success, I don't know what does. Where do you think Bill and Bob Stoops learned how to play/coach defense and build a program?

btw...You conveintly left off all the teams he and K-State have beaten recently!

USC (twice) (Last year and the year before in Pasadena)
Tennessee
Iowa
Texas (with Heisman Ricky Williams)
Nebraska (4 out of 6 years)
Oklahoma (almost through the entire 1990's)
Arizona St.
Washington
California
Texas A&M
Colorado
Syracuse
Oklahoma St.
Missouri

...and Bill Snyder and K-state have quietly compiled the best Big 12 win/loss record (tied with Nebraska) since the Big-12 formed.

Big 12 Conference records

1a. KSU 48-15 .762
1b. Neb 48-15 .762
2. Tex 46-17 .730
3. OU 40-23 .635
4. CU 39-24 .619
5. A&M 36-27 .571
6. TTU 35-28 .555
7. OSU 25-38 .397
8. MU 24-38 .387
9. ISU 17-45 .274
10. KU 14-49 .222
11. Bay 05-58 .079

all in little old Manhatten Kansas.

Any questions?


I think Pinkel is better, we'll see on Saturday.... btw hey Pinnacle
:thumbup: :wave:
 

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THis is a little off of the topic, but in Madden 2004, Chuck Cecil is an option for a coach. Now I'm not saying he should be a head coach, but what's he been up to? He seems like he could be a good secondaries coach or assistant.
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
ajcardfan: Sorry you had to live in Kansas..it must have been awful.:D

Not that I am biased or anything (big Mizzou fan).

Well, it beats Oklahoma. :D

Only lived there until I was eight, but still have a lot of relatives there. There is still a family reunion every year at Lake Waconda. My family members are grads of KU or Ft. Hays St. If they went to college in Kansas, that is.
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
Romeo Crennel...at least he deserves an interview.

The negative I have seen posted is that Billicheck is the genius and perhaps romeo is along for the ride...but Romeo has spent most of his career working with either Parcells or Billicheck - and I do not see either of them hiring dummies...

Good to note, that at least one person on this board accepts that our former O-line coach (Mauch), who joined the Cowboys - in the offseason... was not a dummy :D
 

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Notherncard...assume you mean warhop - not mauck..

George Warhop joins the Cowboys after five seasons as the offensive line coach for the Arizona Cardinals. Warhop's experience in working with one of the NFL's largest and most powerful offensive lines in 2002 (6-5, 323-pound average) should pay off in Dallas as he guides Larry Allen, Flozell Adams, Ryan Young, and Andre Gurode.

I did not think Warhop did that great of a job in AZ..but Parcells obviously felt differently.. Warhop was responsible (from what I understand) - at least in part - for getting kendall here - I think warhop was his college coach..

Parcells wanted warhop and sullivan from our staff - and they both would have made lateral moves to join parcells (warhop did - sullivan almost did - but stayed when we promoted him)..this got me to thinking....warhop left for the same job...sullivan was going to and had to be begged to stay (as on OC - he would have been parcells receiver coach)..where is the loyalty to Mac? He seems to have loyalty to his coaches...guess it does not always go both ways..leaving for a promotion is ok..but a lateral move?
 

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ESPN just posted this list of assistants they think will be head coaches soon:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1665664

Jim Schwartz, defensive coordinator, Tennessee: Only four years ago, Schwartz was just a nondescript "defensive assistant," on Jeff Fisher's staff, a quality control aide. But he was elevated to linebackers coach in 2000 and then, when Gregg Williams became head coach in Buffalo in '01, promoted into his spot as coordinator. At age 37, the avid chess player is the youngest coordinator in the league.

Scott O'Brien, special teams, Carolina: Rare is the circumstance in which a special teams mentor is ever a candidate for a head coach position. Then again, O'Brien is a rare guy, one who studies the intricacies and nuances of special teams play and sweats all of the details of an often overlooked facet of the game. Given the success of the Carolina kicking game in 2003, O'Brien has commanded solid attention.

Charlie Weis, offensive coordinator, New England: In a few years, mark our words, people will be talking about the "coaching tree" that has sprung from the Bill Belichick staffs of the past and the present. Weis has been key to the development of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and, while skeptics criticize the wide-ranging mix of screen- and hitch-passes with which the New England offense is top-heavy, the scheme is evolving. The Pats are stretching the field more now and Brady is extending his grasp. Another current Belichick assistant, defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel, deserves mention as well. And two current college head coaches who were once on Belichick's staff with the Cleveland Browns years ago, Nick Saban (LSU) and Kirk Ferentz (Iowa), figure to be candidates for NFL jobs after this season, if they so choose.

Leslie Frazier, defensive coordinator, Cincinnati: Sure, being defensive coordinator for a team where Marvin Lewis is the head coach might be viewed by some as playing second chair in a symphony that includes one of the world's great violinists. But Frazier has lots of input and proved, during free agency, to be an effective recruiter. Frazier's a class act who has been vital in the Cincinnati turnaround.

Scott Linehan, offensive coordinator, Minnesota: Since he is only in his second season in the league, the inventive Linehan might have to serve an apprenticeship of a few more years before he is considered head coach material. Despite the current slump in which the Vikings are suffering, the offense still leads the league, and Linehan continues to design a high-octane attack that features power running and a vertical passing scheme. Definitely an up-and-comer.

Maurice Carthon, offensive coordinator, Dallas: Even though the Cowboys have slid from No. 1 in total offense to a perch near the middle of the pack, Carthon has done a nice job of getting production from a unit that doesn't have a lot of playmakers. Having the endorsement of Bill Parcells won't hurt, either, but Carthon is a guy who deserves a shot based on merit as well.
 

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Actually if you do your research you will find that Kansas State's out-of-conference schedule does not even remotely compare with those of FSU or Miami. You gotta be kidding me arguing about K-State's schedule.
Well, K-States "out of conference" schedule is not anything really to brag about. However it is currently rated higher (# 44) than 5 teams ranked ahead of KSU.

FSU and Miami are just 2 teams out of the Top-25 I referenced.
Probably not the 2 best to reference comparing schedules. But...Miami has certainly played some creampuffs over the past 5 years too.
Troy St
McNeese State
Louisiana Tech
East Carolina
Temple
Florida A&M
East Carolina
East Tennesse St.
Cincinnati
...all the while playing Rutgers, Temple every year.

Florida St. has played a tougher scedule no doubt. Really the only 2 weak opponents they've played the last 5 years are UAB
Louisiana Tech. BUT, FSU plays in a very weak ACC football conference.

What about 2 prestigious programs in Oklahoma and Nebraska?
Oklahoma has recently played:
North Texas
Fresno State
Tulsa
UTEP
South Florida

Nebraska has recently played:
Troy St. (like 4 times)
Utah St. (like 4 times)
San Jose St.
Rice
Texas Christian
McNeese St.

Also Kansas St. has NOT played James Madison, Western Tennessee Tech that you referred too anytime in the last 20 years (if ever).

Kansas State was also not hindered by its "perceived" lack of schedule strength this year (and it will climb even more after Sat, and should they play Oklahoma in the Big-12 Championship game). According to the BCS standings, K-State’s schedule ranks 43rd, ahead of LSU (72nd), TCU (90th), Miami-Ohio (55th), Mississippi (57th) and Virginia Tech (56th), five schools that rank above of K-State in the poll.
 

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Sorry Shocker I didn't want this thread to turn into a college football debate so let me explain and my side. Bill Snyder did an amazing thing by turning around K-State. He's a good coach buit part of the reason he has had success at State that he scheduled easy games throughout the 90s in order to pad the win total to ensure bowl games. The thing that bothered me in the late 90s was most of their games were at home.

But I'll give K-State props for scheduling tough home-and-homes recently since they have become a legit program. I imagine its pretty tough to get programs to come to Manhattan. Personally I hate it when teams don't ever play tough away games out-of-conference and ride their schedules to 10 win seasons. It happens all the time with many Midwestern schools while the Pac-10 has to travel every year in August/September to play out-of-conference games. As a west-coast guy and lifelong Pac-10 fan, it bothers me.

Now let's go back to the NFL and our future coaches.
 

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Originally posted by maddogkf
Why? Why, huh? WHy you givin me a hard time, huh? Why you bustin my balls?

I'm gonna kick yer ass!!!!



:D

yeah !!!

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