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Yes, my reaction to Green's fabrications, double standards and manifestations of his insatiable ego was preciptous. No question. I gotta tell you...I wrote the editorial from 2:00-4:00 AM...because I couldn't sleep. The tape of the Viking game was really eating at me. I did not like what I saw at all...to me the players looked dis-spirited...and, for that matter, so did all the coaches. Dennis Green was looking on in chagrin...seemingly above it all. I couldn't stop thinking of new offensive coordinator Alex Wood...and I had this indelible image of Green hovering over Wood's shoulder...Wood, who looks alot like Tony Dungee, looked like a deer caught in the headlights...he appeared so nervous I thought his hands were trembling.

The problem with me is...I am always more loyal to the players than I am to the coaches or the administrators..that's the teacher and coach in me. TE Steve Bush may be irrelevant and insignificant to some of you. To me, when I think of Steve Bush I think of how hard he played for the Cardinals. I never once saw this guy slacking on the field...never. And if Bush didn't make that nice sliding TD catch on fourth down on the penultimate drive in the Minnesota game...Nathan Poole never would have been given the keys to city of Green Bay. Therefore, when a diligent and loyal player like Steve Bush is cut without the chance to even try to make the team in training camp, it bothers me to the bone. Dennis Green has been with the Cardinals for six months...Steve Bush has worked his butt off for this franchise for three years. This is where the organization should make sure that players like Bush get at least a fair chance to compete for his job.

I think it was a major coup last year when Rod Graves was able to sign soon-to-be unrestricted free agent, L.J. Shelton. How many times has that happened with the team's better players? Therefore, I feel especially loyal to L.J., because he was especially loyal to the organization. And I think some of you may be forgetting all the good things Graves and the Bidwills have done over the past few years. They have shown exemplary loyalty to the players...to the point of abandoning their old contract policies...by allowing for bells and whistles...in order to keep up with the times and ultimately get players signed on time. And they've started to get players signed before the end of the season...the way the Eagles have done so commendably the last few years.

The irony is that I really don't think Dennis Green has to rehaul the current roster all that much. Why? I think that there's good talent on this roster...(except at nose tackle) that needs to be developed in ways the previous staff were unable to, partly because the old staff was so set on sticking with the veterans, many times regardless of their lackluster performances.

When the Cardinals win a game this year, the media will undoubtedly say that it's all about Dennis Green. Does that stick well with you? Will it stick well with the players? IMO the two best coaches in the NFC right now are Andy Reid (PHI) and John Fox (CAR)...both unassuming, diligent, blue collar guys who shine the spotlight on their players...and, take the burden on their own shoulders when things don't go well.

As for the Green and Parcells comparisions...they are very different. Parcells develops remarkable relationships with his players...even asks them to call him Bill. Yes he drives them...but...he is able to because he takes the time to learn what buttons he needs to push with each player. Parcells is also perhaps the most accessible coach in the NFL to the media. Green fosters a disdain for the media...why? Because of credibility issues. No one questions Parcells' credibility. The media has ALWAYS questioned Green's credibility and rightly so. Question to ponder: Why was Green so emphatically booed in Minnesota upon his return?

Russ, you are right that Green got a nice settlement from the Vikings when he stepped aside...but consider this scenario. Suppose two years ago, Tampa Bay put Dennis Green on the top of their list over Jon Gruden...Green would have hopped all over that job. The thing is..no team courted Green the last two years. None. This year there were so many head coaching vacancies, Green was finally able to get a sniff.

Green won in Minnesota...with several different QBs...but all of those QBs had Cris Carter and Jake Reid to throw to...and then Randy Moss (who dropped into Denny's hands...and to Denny's credit, he reined Moss in, for the most part). His defenses were not very good...adequate at best...which is why they experienced quick exits in the playoffs. Despite the winning, Green aliented a lot of perople in Minnesota...mostly because...he felt he was bigger and better than the whole organization...bigger than the players, bigger than the fans and bigger than the owner.

Yes, this coach can win. The question is...is Green's way the way you want the Cardinals to win? If I was Mr. B., I'd send Green packing and name Mike Kruczak the interim head coach...before Green starts cutting the likes of L.J. Shelton, Levar Fisher, Dennis Johnson and Dexter Jackson.

P.S. Tango...you and I go waaaaay back, my friend. Props to you.

Red Desert, Shane, Section 11 & 40 yr. fan: Thanks for watching my back. You guys are four of the major reasons why I write these articles...you are first-rate fans, through and through.
 

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Good stuff as always Walter, however I disagree.

If Green can win, I dont care how he does it. I just want to see this team go to the playoffs, and eventually win a SB.
 
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Arthur: As long as the Cardinal smiles!

I just don't think the players are going to buy into DG's b.s....which will mean mutiny...no playoffs, ergo, no SB.
 

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Walter Mitchell said:
Yes, this coach can win. The question is...is Green's way the way you want the Cardinals to win? If I was Mr. B., I'd send Green packing and name Mike Kruczak the interim head coach...before Green starts cutting the likes of L.J. Shelton, Levar Fisher, Dennis Johnson and Dexter Jackson.

Walter, it's more likely that Pluto would become hotter than the sun than Mr. Bidwill would fire anyone and pay them 10 million dollars to coach one preseason game. It's so farfetched, I can't understand why you'd even float the idea no matter how much distaste you have for Green's methods.

I respect your opinion Walter. But, fact is, we are on the outside looking in. We have no clue as to how the Bidwills and Graves feel about how Green is handling the team. IMO, nothing has happened without their permission. They are not milksops, so weak-kneed they are unable to control Green. You have a high opinion of them, right? Ultimately, they are still the responsible ones. They hired Green and they still control the player contracts.
 

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Walter Mitchell said:
Arthur: As long as the Cardinal smiles!

:raccoon:

Walter Mitchell said:
I just don't think the players are going to buy into DG's b.s....which will mean mutiny...no playoffs, ergo, no SB.

Thats why I think there will be more overhaul. Players will follow even if they do not agree.

Thats all the players need to do...follow.

Don't think, follow. Listen mindlessly. Do your duty. (this insight brought to you by the Iliad)
 
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Walter, you are obviously a knowledable football guy but you cannot be taken seriously if you, after all the debate here still say remove Coach Green at this juncture of his tenure. #1 it will never happen but beyond that he is a proven comodity where as the coaches we have employed in the past were not. Be in love with the players if you must but at the NFL level it is a business and none of them are playing the game like they did as a kid. Green treats them like men and expects them to act like men. Simple as that. Produce at the level you are expected or be sent packing. This whole roster can turn over for all I care If it will bring this franchise to respectability. I had lunch with Dante Culpeppers cousin who also played in the NFL with Tampa and he said that most players to a man respect what Coach Green is all about. The ones who don't unfortunatly are misinformed or just lazy. Hard work, attention to detail is required at the level these men are employed at. They should come to camp ready to don pads not to get in game shape. Demand the best and you will be the best over time. I hope and want that for the Cardinals. I hope it starts this weekend against San Diego as I will be there rooting them on. All that said keep writing...it provides lively debate and keeps things interesting. Just rethink the can DG thing...This franchise more than any other needs him or someone like him to build the team.
 

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Can't say that I agree with what you have been saying Walter. It seems from my POV that people have developed an attachement to certain players because they where the bright spots on a bad team for many years.

But there has to be a driver for the car. And Green is that driver. If the players you like aren't responding, then that's unfortuante. But you can't have players under mining you as a coach.They ether have to buy in or get out.

Do I like Shelton and Kendall? Heck yeah. But if it means keeping players we like on a team or winning? I will pick winning every time.

BTY: Whats with all this stuff about Jackson being cut? The guys been injured. I haven't heard anything about him being cut.
 
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arthurracoon said:
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Thats why I think there will be more overhaul. Players will follow even if they do not agree.

Thats all the players need to do...follow.

Don't think, follow. Listen mindlessly. Do your duty. (this insight brought to you by the Iliad)

Your best post ever, such simple wisdom ! :raccoon:

Walter, I like your posts and articles, and I respect your opinion. However with the hiring of Denny Green your objectivity has taken a leave of absence. :shrug:

I for one hope that you are able to recover your equalibrium.
 

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Walter just want to say I appreciate your work effort for the site and think it's awesome you write articles. Putting your opinions up there to be jeered or cheered for by a group of Die hard fans, I'm sure is alot harder then it looks. We all have are opinions and own Points of view, regardless of that I always read your articles and I hope this doesn't make you 2nd guess doing it. :thumbup:
 

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Walter Mitchell said:
Therefore, when a diligent and loyal player like Steve Bush is cut without the chance to even try to make the team in training camp, it bothers me to the bone. Dennis Green has been with the Cardinals for six months...Steve Bush has worked his butt off for this franchise for three years. This is where the organization should make sure that players like Bush get at least a fair chance to compete for his job.


If Steve Bush were actually cut, I'd totally agree with you. I liked the guy and think he should've been retained, but he wasn't and we have move on. For the record, I believe Steve was one of the F/A's that we didn't tender an offer to. Look at it this way, at least he found out his fate when the weather was still cold...not like Kendall.
 

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Steve Bush has worked his butt off for this franchise for three years. This is where the organization should make sure that players like Bush get at least a fair chance to compete for his job.

Bush had 3 years, doesn't DG deserve at least one?
 

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Man I have to say that what you said amazed me. You actually think that Steve Bush was not given a chance to compete? The guy has done basically nothing in this league. He only got a chance with the Cards at the time because he was an old ASU teammate (if I remember correctly) of Jake Plummer. He had his chance to compete every year he has been here. Do you think this guy would have made it off the practice squad for anyone one else? It is not personal. This guys are in a business that they know only lasts for a short time so you have to make the best of it.


I really think that LJ will be back in the starting lineup by the time the season starts no matter what DG says or doesn't say.

I for one would love to be loyal to the players, but I learned awhile ago that no one is guaranteed anything. If Joe Montana can leave the 49ers after what he did with that team then Steve Bush and Pete Kendall can get cut.
 

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There's no chance of Green going anywhere soon, win or lose.

Personally, I can't stand him and wish he wasn't our coach.

I am a fan of the team...of the players...but not of Denny Green.

BIM

P.S. Keep writing, Walter. :thumbup:
 

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I'm not sure why anyone is freaking out... He has made some unpopular moves that I too disagree with, but hey, its not like we were superbowl or even playoff contenders last year. Lets see how the season goes before we castrate him.
 

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Walter, you have a couple of good points about Green's talent as a GM, but for the most part I disagree with you.

But, that really besides the point, because you have the right to your opinion and I respect it. While I disagree with most of your points, it certainly gave me something to think about and your article will probably stuck in the back of my head as long as Green is coach.

One thing I don't understand, though. You keep saying that the Cardinals were the only team interested in Green, but Green interviewed with several team and was (rumor) offered the job with the Raiders...
 
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Man I have to say that what you said amazed me. You actually think that Steve Bush was not given a chance to compete? The guy has done basically nothing in this league. He only got a chance with the Cards at the time because he was an old ASU teammate (if I remember correctly) of Jake Plummer. He had his chance to compete every year he has been here. Do you think this guy would have made it off the practice squad for anyone one else? It is not personal. This guys are in a business that they know only lasts for a short time so you have to make the best of it.


I really think that LJ will be back in the starting lineup by the time the season starts no matter what DG says or doesn't say.

I for one would love to be loyal to the players, but I learned awhile ago that no one is guaranteed anything. If Joe Montana can leave the 49ers after what he did with that team then Steve Bush and Pete Kendall can get cut.

Is VF back?????
 

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I may not agree with your take, Walter, but as an aspiring journalist myself I respect what you wrote and how you wrote it. Your articles are very well written and very well thought out, so that if anyone disagrees with you at leasat your writing cannot be criticized. Keep up the good work, but let's all hope you're wrong! :thumbup:
 

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While I'm really surprised by the proportion of this topic I have this long growing feeling that this board tends to go overboard with things real fast.

I was all for coach Mac to get his last contract year. But at the end of last season all I could read on this board was how bad he and his team was. He certainly did not distinguish himself but not ALL was bad he did and at least I saw some long term development on the team. But boy, this board was all over him and only part of that was well deserved from my point of view.

The same with Kendall, just short before his release there was a discussion on moving him back to guard because he was our best lineman and now we are stacked at center. Next thing I know he ist released and everybody screams on how bad/mediocre/old/bad influence this former OL leader was. Thats for sure the reason he got the contract with the Jets too.

Now Green, he sure has a good track record of winning, he also has a bad track record about his style. Everybody should get the benefit of the doubt first and I will bear DG gladly if he wins for us. But I have to concur with Walter almost to the point, there is an uneasy feeling about this man growing and I just hope that I'm wrong. Is he a Buddy Ryan to happen as many have compared him long before this thread hit the roof? Again I hope not and we all will be much more enlighted when the season really kicks in and we get to see DG style football for the cards.

Lastly I would ask everybody to calm down on things. There is never just black and white and if it would be it would only be half as much fun.
 
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Walter Mitchell

Great article on DG. I don't agree with most of what you wrote but I loved reading it. Did agree with your Kendall assessment but as far as the DL, where you pointed out that the nose tackles are the only weakness, well I can only hope you're right. To me LDE is a major weakness, which I hope Darnell Dockett will fix. And when Ross K. has to start at the "under" this week well that doesn't give me a warm feeling. One thing I do like about DG is that he is very willing to make changes, something previous coaches were loathe to do. I read that he agrees with many posters about Larry Croom but was disappointed that he hasn't been impressed with Nate Poole. We all know that Bill Bidwill won't fire him (as you know as well) but I guess you're planting a seed that might grow into an oversight tree. We'll see, but keep those articles coming.
 

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Walter Mitchell,


Dennis Green is trying to turn a losing franchise into a winner, you act as if you don't know this. For Coach Green to do this, he must grab the team by the hair and drag it around to shake the "loser syndrome" out of it, and believe me, he's not going to make friends doing so. If there is any ego to be feed, it would be yours. Sorry.


I read your articles from time to time and don't always agree with you but halfway enjoy your views because I have an open mind. I'm not a college grad. or a man of words like yourself, but I just had to respond to your post.


In '06 the new stadium will be ready for NFL football. Its time the Cardinals shed a losing tenure and put up some wins. The Az people want winning football and will get it, maybe not this year, but by '06 they will have to. There is noone more qualified for the job right now other than Coach Green.


I guess what I'm saying is...you need to deal with the loss of some of your favorite players and look at the big picture. Dennis Green knows what he is up against, or he wouldn't have to cut players that are fan favorites. Example...Pete Kendall.


Az. having a winning franchise is more important than your small town articles. If you don't believe me, just look how much money is involved in the new stadium. Then, and only then, you will see the big picture.
 

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All i am looking for in this next pre-season game is progress on both sides of the ball and hopefully no serious injuries. An interesting interview with Kyle Vanden Bosch on Arizona Sports Report last weekend when he stated the Cardinals kept there defense very "vanilla" vs. Vikings. Honestly that is what the pre-season is all about- evaluating players and not showing much. It will be fun to see the "real" Cards defense out there (getting R.Thompson and D.Jackson back in there) and running true defensive schemes. Same on the offense when all the Big 3 WR's return and seeing them all in a game together. We have an exciting season on the way folks!
Come Week 1 at St.Louis we will see what Dennis Green and this new regime is all about. Im not saying a guarenteed win but a true 4 quarters of football that will be close in the end- when coaching means something instead of being blown out by 30 at halftime.
Enough of this anti-Green insanity. We have not won more then 5 games in a season in the past 3-4 years and yet this was a happier board then- go figure. Have a beer on me and sit back and relax everyone! :beer:

Go Cards/ America!
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We have to remember it was said many times that it was going to be very difficult for the Cardinals to get any kind of talented coach to come to Arizona. AND that the team needed to stop hiring unqualified assistants for their HC position.

More than likely Green was the only option the Cardinals had to break the string of Stallings, Bugel,Tobin and McGinnis all unassuming, dilligent,blue collar guys whose combined record was an abysmal 89-162-1.

The players had their chance to play for the kind of guy Walter likes in Dave McGinnis. They didn't perform so now they have Green.

As Tommy Bowdin(sp?) said in an interview last year - You may not know who the new coach will be but you can bet the house he will be the exact opposite of the guy who just left.
 

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We have to remember it was said many times that it was going to be very difficult for the Cardinals to get any kind of talented coach to come to Arizona. AND that the team needed to stop hiring unqualified assistants for their HC position.

More than likely Green was the only option the Cardinals had to break the string of Stallings, Bugel,Tobin and McGinnis all unassuming, dilligent,blue collar guys whose combined record was an abysmal 89-162-1.

The players had their chance to play for the kind of guy Walter likes in Dave McGinnis. They didn't perform so now they have Green.

As Tommy Bowdin(sp?) said in an interview last year - You may not know who the new coach will be but you can bet the house he will be the exact opposite of the guy who just left.

Hey now, don't go lumping Stallings in with what came after him. He was a damn fine coach. Stallings was the best Arizona Cardinal coach to date but maybe Green will surpass that. We can only hope!

I do agree with you about these players having their chance to step it up for Mac. If they liked him so much and wanted him as their coach, why did they give up after 5 minutes in half the games last year? While the players may have liked Mac, I don't think they had a whole lot of confidence in the rest of the coaches and the general scheme of things. Maybe that added to the give up at all costs attitude.
 

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Walt, you still haven't explained what I believe to be a pivotal point in your article--how can a white cap be faded?

;)
 

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