USA Today : TMac deal in Trouble

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/magic/2004-06-22-mcgrady-snag_x.htm

Francis' agent, Jeff Fried, said on Monday that he thought a deal that would send McGrady, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue and Reece Gaines to Houston for Cuttino Mobley, Kelvin Cato and Francis was imminent. But the potential blockbuster stalled Tuesday and might drag on for days now as the Magic weigh other offers pouring in from around the league.

"It was just communication," Fried said. "It's still moving. There's nothing definitive. Steve (Francis) really likes Houston. You have to face reality. If Houston is set on moving Steve, which is not Steve's preference, you have to deal with reality. There is nothing against the Orlando Magic. They are a fine organization, but they are also in a rebuilding stage."

Indiana, one of the teams that has held trade talks with the Magic off and on for the past month, seemed to have bowed out of the McGrady sweepstakes.

Indiana has an overflow of talent at the forward positions and has reportedly been willing to trade Al Harrington and Jonathan Bender. It is uncertain whether or not Defensive Player of the Year Ron Artest is available. If the Magic had demanded all three players, it likely would have killed the deal.

Phoenix, Portland, Miami and others are also believed to be interested in trading for McGrady, an all-star in all four of his seasons in Orlando. Magic general manager John Weisbrod refused comment for a second consecutive day Tuesday. But over the weekend he stressed that he would not accept a bad deal.

"I have a lot of bad personal traits in terms of stubbornness, directness and lack of empathy," said Weisbrod, a Harvard graduate, "but being dumb is not one of them.

"I know people think I'm goofy for being optimistic in the face of adversity, but what could be better than rising out of the ashes? The toughest job to take is to replace somebody in an organization that's at the top of the mountain. It's expected that you stay there. But there's nowhere for us to go but up."

Even with McGrady averaging a NBA-best 28 points a game, Orlando finished with a league-worst 21-61 record. The Magic endured losing streaks of 19 and 13 games.

By virtue of their dismal record and winning the draft lottery, the Magic will pick first in Thursday's NBA Draft. The Magic are still trying to decide between Atlanta teen Dwight Howard and Co-National Player of the Year Emeka Okafor. Both players were in Charlotte Tuesday meeting with the Bobcats, owners of the No. 2 pick following a trade with the Los Angeles Clippers on Monday.

Dwight Howard's agent, Aaron Goodwin, said the Magic have yet to disclose which player they will draft. Because the Magic are also listening to trade offers for the No. 1 pick, Goodwin thinks Orlando will keep its choice a secret right up until Thursday night.

"They haven't said anything to me about which way they are leaning," said Goodwin, who also represents LeBron James, last year's No. 1 selection. "It would be nice if they did, but they haven't to this point. All I want them to do is tell me before they go to the podium Thursday night. The hard thing is that Dwight has 75 people coming to the draft and they'd love to have an indication. They'd love to be able to get to the next city. So I've told (the Magic) if they could give us a heads up it would be a big help so his family could get on to the next city and show their support for the kid."


Larry Bird believed the Pacers made a better offer for McGrady than the package of players the Rockets have proposed sending to the Magic.

"My personal opinion is they might have got a better deal from us," Bird said Tuesday.

"Take nothing away from the guys that have been traded. I like our guys. I know our guys are talented and hard workers, but when you go after Tracy McGrady, you have to give up something, and the price was just too high for us."

Both Bird and team CEO Donnie Walsh spoke with Weisbrod late last week about McGrady, but did not hear back from him after their initial talks.

"No question, when you have a player like Tracy McGrady out there, you try to pursue it and see what it was going to take to try to get involved in it," Bird said. "Obviously they didn't like the players we put out there and really, we didn't get down to details. We just asked them what they would like and they threw some names out there and the price was really too high for us."

While Bird would not say which players the Magic asked for, he did say the Pacers have received a number of inquiries regarding forwards Al Harrington and Ron Artest.

Harrington, one of the top sixth men in the league last year, told Bird at their season-ending meeting that he would like to be traded if he wasn't going to start for the Pacers next season.

"There's a lot of interest in Al," Bird said. "We're not really shopping Al. I wish Al was happy here and everybody else was happy, but sometimes a change of scenery will do both teams some good."

Artest, the defensive player of the year, didn't help his case when he was fined for skipping his season-ending meeting with Bird.

The Pacers were also mentioned in rumors surrounding the Lakers' Shaquille O'Neal, but Bird wasn't optimistic that O'Neal or McGrady would land in Indiana.

When asked if they were out of the running for an available "superstar," Bird said, "At this point with Shaq and Tracy, yeah. We hear that Tracy's probably going to Houston, but you never know, something might happen. If he's out there, we're going to go after him."

Whether the Pacers get back in the race for McGrady or not, Bird made it clear that they will continue to be a player in the trade market, partly because of their considerable youth and depth.

"We have a lot of guys with a lot of talent," Bird said. "We can put packages together to go after these guys."
 

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Ok so we now have two sources saying the deal is in trouble and the suns are a major player. Lets keep our fingers crossed.
 

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The evidence seems pretty clear that it's the Suns who are muddying the waters. It will be really interesting to see how this happens. If the Suns end up offering more than they really wanted to, will they have been played?
 

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How can you be "played" when you recieve the leagues top scorer in return? The beauty of this deal is we wind up with TMac and still have the cap space to fill in the holes.
 

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How can you be "played" when you recieve the leagues top scorer in return?

Well, if the Suns originally didn't want to give up Marion, Johnson, and the #7, but then they get pressured into it by the Houston rumors, ...

It's possible to overpay for anyone. I'm not saying that those three players would constitute an overpayment, but if the Suns originally refused to offer such a package, maybe they thought so.
 

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I know its not known whether or not these rumors are true, but I kept getting this funny feeling that this deal may not go through. As it grew later and later the deal just kept getting more and more complicated (namely Orlando trading Francis away again and getting a 3rd team involved due to Francis' BYC status).

It just didn't exactly seem "close to done" to me

BTW if true the deal offered by the Suns is the one the Magic supposedly have wanted all along
 

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BTW if true the deal offered by the Suns is the one the Magic supposedly have wanted all along

Yep, good point. Which is why it's a little uncomfortable from the Suns' standpoint. They refused before -- what changed their minds?
 
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Who knows?

the Suns might have just upped their offer from Marion and #7 (maybe they offered even less before) to Marion and JJ.

Those articles assume that Phoenix is offering the best they can now because it looks like they are back in the talk.
 

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elindholm said:
BTW if true the deal offered by the Suns is the one the Magic supposedly have wanted all along

Yep, good point. Which is why it's a little uncomfortable from the Suns' standpoint. They refused before -- what changed their minds?

it's all just negotiation tactics.....even if your willing to accept an offer you try to get the deal done for less, sometimes it works and sometimes you end up with the original offer.
 

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If I make this deal, I want guarantees that McGrady doesn't opt out of his contract ala McDyess.

I want him signed to an extension
 

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elindholm said:
BTW if true the deal offered by the Suns is the one the Magic supposedly have wanted all along

Yep, good point. Which is why it's a little uncomfortable from the Suns' standpoint. They refused before -- what changed their minds?

Probably the knowledge that if they didn't up their deal they would lose out on a superstar.

They though their original proposal was enough and when the other deal was considered close, they simply said "**** it" and raised their offer. I think they finally decided McGrady was worth it.
 

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it's all just negotiation tactics.....even if your willing to accept an offer you try to get the deal done for less, sometimes it works and sometimes you end up with the original offer.


Thats exactly what I was thinking. I mean the suns knew they were one of a handful of teams that ould even put something together. Why start high?

And I think Weisbord knows this. By leaking a deal with Houston, that couldnt be completed for 3 weeks, he let the other teams know that they better up the ante.
 

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By leaking a deal with Houston, that couldnt be completed for 3 weeks, he let the other teams know that they better up the ante.

Then the shrewd thing to do would be to call Orlando's bluff. Say, "I don't really think you're going to make the trade with Houston. We've given you a good offer, even though it's not quite everything you asked for. Get back to us when you're serious."

Risky? Sure. But otherwise, the Suns have been outfoxed by Weisbrod, and that's not a great feeling.
 

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I think Tracy McGrady is a great player, but I'll just say right now that I'm opposed to giving Shawn Marion, JJ, and the #7 draft pick for him. If they want to give the magic Shawn Marion, Casey Jacobsen, and either JJ or the #7 draft pick I can live with that. All three of those pieces is just too much. I guarantee if the Suns giveaway that much McGrady is going to spend a ton of time on the IL. It would just be our luck. :)

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From outside looking in, we can't really distinguish between bargaining tactics and real perference regarding the value of JJ or #7. So, I'd just look at the result of the process and assess whether I could live with it and wouldn't bother whether I could have made much more profit by staying firm while risking the deal.

So, Amare/Tmac core with the potential of Zarko/Barbosa/Lampe in tact and 17mil cap space, I say it's a good risk to take the deal in its core elements. After all is said and done, we got a top-5 player in the league.

As to signing him to an extension immediately, I'd not panic if TMac didn't want it at first. Who is gonna offer him a max deal next offseason? Would that be a better situation than in Phoenix? His option looks quite limited.
 

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elindholm said:
Risky? Sure. But otherwise, the Suns have been outfoxed by Weisbrod, and that's not a great feeling.

Unless the Suns wanted to give them just what they wanted all along and made it so as if they got outfoxed by the Magics. Who is to tell! :D
 

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elindholm said:
Risky? Sure. But otherwise, the Suns have been outfoxed by Weisbrod, and that's not a great feeling.


I dont think Orlando is bluffing though. I think they would pull the trigger on the Houston deal at this point (although the Francis ranting doesnt help). However, they know that there are a lot of teams interested, and this could up the price.


I agree, Marion JJ and the #7 is really pushing it for McGrady. If TMac was healthy for the rest of his career, I would say its good enough.


However, I think most of us agree that if we sign Kobe or trade for TMac, JJ will need to move on in some fasion. The chances of him reverting back to nothingness will be at its peak. Right now, JJ's value has never been higher. The team should be looking to see what they can get for him if they are intent on obtaining a star player.

At this point I would be trying to get the Magic to accept Marion, JJ and another piece other than the pick.
 

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