Use of McCown heightens folly for Lions

[SeattleCard]

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061204/SPORTS08/612040325/1004

 

[football karma]

I guess truly, things could always be worse

 

[Redheart]

I guess truly, things could always be worse

You can say that again. Talk about no hope in sight.

 

[ajcardfan]

Signing Kitna and McCown ...... passing on Leinart...... moving one of those QBs to WR.

Man, that sure sounds like something we would've done.


But, I now understand those people who were claiming McCown would've put us in the playoffs in 2004 and a led us to a better record last year. He could've been throwing passes to himself! What a weapon!

 

[blindseyed]

Signing Kitna and McCown ...... passing on Leinart...... moving one of those QBs to WR.

Man, that sure sounds like something we would've done.


But, I now understand those people who were claiming McCown would've put us in the playoffs in 2004 and a led us to a better record last year. He could've been throwing passes to himself! What a weapon!

No one that said McCown would be a great QB in the NFL has posted on here yet.....

 

[Ryanwb]

What is the problem with Mike Williams.... he was so highly touted

 

[ajcardfan]

What is the problem with Mike Williams.... he was so highly touted

It seems like the year out of football totally screwed up his head. I would've put only Fitzgerald in the same class of WR as him...tremendous size + freakish hands.

 

[Second Deck]

I don't think anyone on this board proclamed Josh an all pro. Although he was certainly a better QB than Shaun King whom Green benched in favor of.

The thing that bugged me about Josh is he would not step up in the pocket but would constantly roll the right and get the ball stripped. He seemed to get better at stepping up in the pocket after playing with Warner. I wish Josh all the luck in the world was a class act.

 

[Duckjake]

Signing Kitna and McCown ...... passing on Leinart...... moving one of those QBs to WR.

Man, that sure sounds like something we would've done.But, I now understand those people who were claiming McCown would've put us in the playoffs in 2004 and a led us to a better record last year. He could've been throwing passes to himself! What a weapon!

See Rick McIvor QB third round 1984. McIvor didn't even start in college. Selected ahead of Jay Schroeder. After going zero for four as a passer McIvor was tried at WR before being released.

 

[seesred]

WE started a kicker at QB one year. Tom Tupa. As usual our's laugh is bigger. McCown can run. I just don't know if he can run and catch at the same time.

GBR
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[Renz]

......passing on Leinart.....

That is going to haunt them for many years IMO. Their only hope is to get Quinn and pray he becomes as good as Skkorp thinks he is going to be.

 

[CaptTurbo]

WE started a kicker at QB one year. Tom Tupa. As usual our's laugh is bigger. McCown can run. I just don't know if he can run and catch at the same time.

GBR
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Tom Tupa was a punter. Also scored the first ever 2 pt conversion. He actually was a hell of an athlete.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Tom Tupa was a punter. Also scored the first ever 2 pt conversion. He actually was a hell of an athlete.

He scored the 1st 2, 2 pt conversions...against the Cards, when he was playing for the Browns...and Jim McMahon was getting he 1st start for Buddy Ryan. I think the Cards lost that game like 30-0 and Tupa was the big hero.

 

[kerouac9]

I think we should hire Mike Martz. Obviously, he's making great decisions over there in Detroit.

 

[Russ Smith]

What is the problem with Mike Williams.... he was so highly touted

Apparently he's just a real screwup, he was getting fined so much for missing meetings as a rookie, and this year it's for missing a weight clause. That said, I've seen pics of him on a Lions site, he's NOT fat at all he's much lighter than he was at USC, it's just they are demanding he get even lighter. Roy Williams, who obviously has a big mouth, has said they're making an example of Williams, that he's clearly in shape and ready to play but they're not using him. But apparently he's just real immature and it really rubs the coaching
staff the wrong way.

Remember a couple of years back Williams called out the USC players for being lackadaisical over the summer and Leinart of all people called him out on it saying that message coming from one of the guys who gets out of shape EVERY offseason seems a bit hypocritical. I guess Matt knew what he was saying?

 

[Russ Smith]

See Rick McIvor QB third round 1984. McIvor didn't even start in college. Selected ahead of Jay Schroeder. After going zero for four as a passer McIvor was tried at WR before being released.

McIvor had one of the strongest arms I've ever seen on a QB though. I remember going to a Cards game in SF when he was on the team and watching him in warmups, it was unreal, even guys on the 49ers were standing and watching the velocity on his throws. No idea where it was going of course, no touch etc, but man did he have a rocket arm.

 

[CardLogic]

I think we should hire Mike Martz. Obviously, he's making great decisions over there in Detroit.

Good one, k9!!!

 

[BigDavis75]

Imagine Mike Williams as a TE, when he was as big as he was last year I thought TE would have been the logical move.

 

[chickenhead]

Tom Tupa started all games at QB for Ohio State under Earl Bruce in 1987, and played mostly QB in high school. Filling in at QB for the Cards wasn't that big a stretch, IMO.

 

[Wild Card]

I think we should hire Mike Martz. Obviously, he's making great decisions over there in Detroit.

K9:

The last I heard, it's the head coach's decision who plays and who sits. That'd be Rod Marinelli in Detroit, who's both quoted and referenced in the article posted to begin this thread (in which Mike Martz is never mentioned).

But hey, why let reality get in the way of a good cheap shot, eh?

WC

 

[Bobcat]

Hey guys Josh is really one hell of an athlete, or have you forgotten that fact. He has a 40" vertical leaping ability, and is fast. So why put him down before he has a chance to succeed.

BOBCAT

 

[CardLogic]

Hey guys Josh is really one hell of an athlete, or have you forgotten that fact. He has a 40" vertical leaping ability, and is fast. So why put him down before he has a chance to succeed.

BOBCAT

I don't think anyone is really slammin' McCown in this thread. Williams, maybe, Martz, of course, the Lions, certainly...

 

[RON_IN_OC]

What is the problem with Mike Williams.... he was so highly touted

I think he's being Jerry Porter'ed.

 

[kerouac9]

K9:

The last I heard, it's the head coach's decision who plays and who sits. That'd be Rod Marinelli in Detroit, who's both quoted and referenced in the article posted to begin this thread (in which Mike Martz is never mentioned).

But hey, why let reality get in the way of a good cheap shot, eh?

WC

C'mon, WC. Marinelli's a defensive HC who has never even been a DC, much less know anything about offensive personnel. Martz hasn't talked to reporters in quite some time, and part of Marinelli's job is to step in front of the microphone and answer questions. Martz converted Furrey into a WR from a QB (I think). It's a pretty good guess that it's not Marinelli's doghouse that Mike Williams is in.

BTW - I was watching the Detroit game on Sunday. McCown looked horrible out there.

 

[Wild Card]

C'mon, WC. Marinelli's a defensive HC who has never even been a DC, much less know anything about offensive personnel. Martz hasn't talked to reporters in quite some time, and part of Marinelli's job is to step in front of the microphone and answer questions. Martz converted Furrey into a WR from a QB (I think). It's a pretty good guess that it's not Marinelli's doghouse that Mike Williams is in.

K9:

C'mon, yourself. I don't pretend to know the details behind the Mike Williams situation, but he didn't exactly light up the league last year (29-350-1) for the previous coaching staff. He wouldn't be the first highly-touted college wideout to crash and burn in the pros. I've gotta believe that if Rod Marinelli thought there was any chance that Williams could help the Lions win, he'd be on the field. And that Marinelli wouldn't be defending the decision to sit Williams unless he agreed with it.

What's obvious is that the Lions passing game--with a career journeyman like Jon Kitna at the controls--is improved in almost every measurable way over last year, with top 10 rankings in both yards (5th, 3,190) and yards-per-attempt (8th, 7.2). So I don't think it's eye-rolling to speculate what Mike Martz might do with talent like Leinart, Boldin and Fitzgerald.

WC