Von Miller for me

[Second Deck]

I will be surpirsed if the Cards do not take Miller with the first pick. I beleive Toller showed great promise at CB for first year at starter. We cannot plan on Porter and Haggins for a pass rush. It will be hard to pass on Reed in the 2nd but believe we will take the QB in that round.

 

[kerouac9]

I think it's a mistake to draft a 40 time instead of a football player with the #5 overall pick when there are legit football players at the same position available in rounds 2 and 3 who I think will be better.

Stephen F. Austin and Florida International must have pretty good offensive lines, since they shut out Von Miller. You really want your Top 5 pick to have no impact against the lowest level of competition.

Drafting a 40 time in Daryl Washington seemed to work out impressively. Hopefully they'll be the best tandem in the NFL in pushing guys out of bounds following the first down.

 

[overseascardfan]

I think it's a mistake to draft a 40 time instead of a football player with the #5 overall pick when there are legit football players at the same position available in rounds 2 and 3 who I think will be better.

Stephen F. Austin and Florida International must have pretty good offensive lines, since they shut out Von Miller. You really want your Top 5 pick to have no impact against the lowest level of competition.

Drafting a 40 time in Daryl Washington seemed to work out impressively. Hopefully they'll be the best tandem in the NFL in pushing guys out of bounds following the first down.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but did you actually see the games? I didn't but I am willing to bet they were probably using 2 or more guys to block Miller the whole game. When your as feared as Miller small time schools figure we have to shut him down to have a chance, too bad TAMU didn't have another defensive threat to take some of the heat off of Miller.

I am not saying that Miller is a sure thing, but there aren't in this draft. Even Peterson is being mentioned as a better fit at S or eventually will be moved to S. To improve pass defense, you need to get to the QB, had we had a pass rush that got to Roethlesberger and actually tackle him DRC probably wouldn't have gave up the TD and we would have won the SB. Better pass rush = better secondary play.

 

[Shane]

The way K9 has been bagging on Von Miller lately and proclaiming all of these amazing warts you can pretty much guarantee this kidd is gonna be a star!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

The way K9 has been bagging on Von Miller lately and proclaiming all of these amazing warts you can pretty much guarantee this kidd is gonna be a star!

For sure. Just like his Cam Newton love has caused me to start to rethink Cam at one point, and now I consider him a sure bust

Hes like the Matt Millen of ASFN. I feel better when he picks against what I like.

VON MILLER AT #5!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I think it's a mistake to draft a 40 time instead of a football player with the #5 overall pick

This line right here says it all.

Miller was RIDICULOUSLY productive for multiple years in one of the best football conferences on a defense with no other players.

Saying "its a mistake to draft a 40 time" is correct.

Its your idea that Von Miller is a work out warrior thats preposterous.

 

[Duckjake]

The way K9 has been bagging on Von Miller lately and proclaiming all of these amazing warts you can pretty much guarantee this kidd is gonna be a star!

Let's see. Who was the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year for 2010?

Not Daryl Washington as some Las Vegas fellow predicted.

 

[Shane]

For sure. Just like his Cam Newton love has caused me to start to rethink Cam at one point, and now I consider him a sure bust

Hes like the Matt Millen of ASFN. I feel better when he picks against what I like.

VON MILLER AT #5!

Funny how K9 pimps those two games as his argument but this breaks down his stats vs. ranked teams and teams in BCS conferences: http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/player/697/1011240/sack/split.html

This breaks down tackles for loss in same situations as well:
http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/player/697/1011240/tackleforloss/split.html

I would say pretty damn impressive.

 

[Shane]

Let's see. Who was the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year for 2010?

Not Daryl Washington as some Las Vegas fellow predicted.

It's not like the guy was a bum.


If you don't quit picking on me I'm going to quit sending you so many pictures.

 

[Duckjake]

It's not like the guy was a bum.


If you don't quit picking on me I'm going to quit sending you so many pictures.

Please. 1,274 pictures of Daryl Washington is enough.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think it's a mistake to draft a 40 time instead of a football player with the #5 overall pick when there are legit football players at the same position available in rounds 2 and 3 who I think will be better.

Stephen F. Austin and Florida International must have pretty good offensive lines, since they shut out Von Miller. You really want your Top 5 pick to have no impact against the lowest level of competition.

Drafting a 40 time in Daryl Washington seemed to work out impressively. Hopefully they'll be the best tandem in the NFL in pushing guys out of bounds following the first down.

If you bother to even do rudimentary research on Von Miller, you'd realize that he was injured early in the season and was battling through ankle problems. That's why he started posting big numbers later in the season against QUALITY opponents.

It's kind of funny that you discount his lack of production against the small fries early on, but ignore his strong production against the big fish later on in the season. Usually the argument goes the other way: prospect put up huge numbers against weak opponents, but struggled against tougher teams.

LOL earlier you had to pretty much retract most of what you've said against Daryl Washington, but lately you've been coming at him in full force again. IMO Daryl had a pretty decent year for a guy who started one year in college and is still learning to play the position.

I'm warming to Von Miller more and more, because I think he's the BPAPN (Best Player Available Position of Need), which is how teams usually draft early in the draft. He's universally NOT considered a reach at #5 and brings a skillset that Quinn (a guy I'm starting to waver on), Reed, Acho, etc. just don't have right now. None of those guys have a chance at an immediate impact IMO, and this team needs immediate playmakers.

Drafting BPA is how teams end up with CJ Spiller, which is exactly what the Bills did. Sure Spiller may become a pretty good player, but the Bills got very little production out of him because they already had a decent RB. Later in round one is when teams can draft BPA, since they don't need immediate impact and are likely looking at drafting backups.

 

[ARodg]

K9 has some bad Von Miller hate.

 

[Buckybird]

Please. 1,274 pictures of Daryl Washington is enough.

Here's another of me & DWash at the Super Bowl

 

[Buckybird]

K9 has some bad Von Miller hate.

I dont think it's hate...IMO Miller is a bad fit to add with Shoefield, DWash & Lenon. We're going to get thrashed in the rungame IMO!!!

 

[desertdawg]

I dont think it's hate...IMO Miller is a bad fit to add with Shoefield, DWash & Lenon. We're going to get thrashed in the rungame IMO!!!

I picked up your boy Houston in my mock, chose him over Ayers because of the size Houston is putting on. Great for run support and homie had 10 sacks last year. I think he weighed in at almost 280 in the combine, actually made Ayers look small.

 

[Buckybird]

I picked up your boy Houston in my mock, chose him over Ayers because of the size Houston is putting on. Great for run support and homie had 10 sacks last year. I think he weighed in at almost 280 in the combine, actually made Ayers look small.

Saw that

I would bet Houston ends up playing at about 260 & I really believe he will be the most complete 3-4 OLB out of this class in 2-3 yrs. I would luv to add this kid, but I think it's a pipedream & something the experts & us as fans will look back on in 5 years & wish we had him. I too, like K9 thinks it's a lock we take Miller at #5 if he's there but have serious doubts about him being a great player because of his liability in the run game.

 

[ARodg]

Saw that

I would bet Houston ends up playing at about 260 & I really believe he will be the most complete 3-4 OLB out of this class in 2-3 yrs. I would luv to add this kid, but I think it's a pipedream & something the experts & us as fans will look back on in 5 years & wish we had him. I too, like K9 thinks it's a lock we take Miller at #5 if he's there but have serious doubts about him being a great player because of his liability in the run game.

I pray nightly that he falls to the Packers at #32. It's not happening.

 

[Shane]

Saw that

I would bet Houston ends up playing at about 260 & I really believe he will be the most complete 3-4 OLB out of this class in 2-3 yrs. I would luv to add this kid, but I think it's a pipedream & something the experts & us as fans will look back on in 5 years & wish we had him. I too, like K9 thinks it's a lock we take Miller at #5 if he's there but have serious doubts about him being a great player because of his liability in the run game.

You better hope he plays at 260. No way in hell a guy 280 is playing effectively as an OLB in a 3-4 at that weight. JMO.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Funny how K9 pimps those two games as his argument but this breaks down his stats vs. ranked teams and teams in BCS conferences: http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/player/697/1011240/sack/split.html

This breaks down tackles for loss in same situations as well:
http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/player/697/1011240/tackleforloss/split.html

I would say pretty damn impressive.

K-9 playing fast and loose with stats... quel surprise!

 

[Shane]

I think it's a mistake to draft a 40 time instead of a football player with the #5 overall pick when there are legit football players at the same position available in rounds 2 and 3 who I think will be better.

Stephen F. Austin and Florida International must have pretty good offensive lines, since they shut out Von Miller. You really want your Top 5 pick to have no impact against the lowest level of competition.

Drafting a 40 time in Daryl Washington seemed to work out impressively. Hopefully they'll be the best tandem in the NFL in pushing guys out of bounds following the first down.

I'm wondering why K9 doesn't use these two games to prove his point about how much Von Miller sucks?

"He was named The Big 12 defensive player of the week after the Aggies victory over Texas During Which he picked off the pass that clinched the win, recorded two QB sacks and an additional tackle for a loss, forced one fumble, recovered one fumble and recorded 3 other QB pressures. Miller recorded 9 tackles against LSU in the Cotton Bowl including 3 for losses and one QB sack."

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70987&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

 

[Southpaw]

I think it's a mistake to draft a 40 time instead of a football player with the #5 overall pick when there are legit football players at the same position available in rounds 2 and 3 who I think will be better.

Stephen F. Austin and Florida International must have pretty good offensive lines, since they shut out Von Miller. You really want your Top 5 pick to have no impact against the lowest level of competition.

Drafting a 40 time in Daryl Washington seemed to work out impressively. Hopefully they'll be the best tandem in the NFL in pushing guys out of bounds following the first down.

This draft is so skewed defensively that I can't see Miller as the best pick at #5. He is something of a one trick pony. Has a great outside speed rush, with nothing inside. Doesn't cover well and mediocre in run stopping. JMHO. Because of the depth in this draft for defense, there should be an offensive player i.e QB ( Gabbert ) who makes more sense to me.

 

[Buckybird]

You better hope he plays at 260. No way in hell a guy 280 is playing effectively as an OLB in a 3-4 at that weight. JMO.

I still don't think Houston weighed 280 at the combine anyway but think he can play at 270lbs & still be an outstanding OLB. His ahtleticism & quickness looked almost as good as Millers at the combine IMO.

 

[PJ1]

They gave him the Butkus award for his 40 time? Wouldn't bother me if we took him. Good points are made about the run D though. We are as bad at this as we are getting to the passer.

 

[kerouac9]

If you bother to even do rudimentary research on Von Miller, you'd realize that he was injured early in the season and was battling through ankle problems. That's why he started posting big numbers later in the season against QUALITY opponents.

It's kind of funny that you discount his lack of production against the small fries early on, but ignore his strong production against the big fish later on in the season. Usually the argument goes the other way: prospect put up huge numbers against weak opponents, but struggled against tougher teams.

LOL earlier you had to pretty much retract most of what you've said against Daryl Washington, but lately you've been coming at him in full force again. IMO Daryl had a pretty decent year for a guy who started one year in college and is still learning to play the position.

I'm warming to Von Miller more and more, because I think he's the BPAPN (Best Player Available Position of Need), which is how teams usually draft early in the draft. He's universally NOT considered a reach at #5 and brings a skillset that Quinn (a guy I'm starting to waver on), Reed, Acho, etc. just don't have right now. None of those guys have a chance at an immediate impact IMO, and this team needs immediate playmakers.

Drafting BPA is how teams end up with CJ Spiller, which is exactly what the Bills did. Sure Spiller may become a pretty good player, but the Bills got very little production out of him because they already had a decent RB. Later in round one is when teams can draft BPA, since they don't need immediate impact and are likely looking at drafting backups.

Scattering a sack here or there against a middling Big XII schedule doesn't do any more for me than not showing up against the little guys early.

Daryl Washington was benched in the middle of 2010 for poor play. I like how now you're qualifying his play by saying, "Well, he played pretty well for a guy who only started one year in college and is (apparently for some reason) learning to play the position" which, of course, is the easiest position on the defense to come in and perform at a high level. But whatever.

I don't care if the draft sites rate Von Miller highly or not. I trust what I see on tape, and I see a guy who gets constantly run out of plays and a guy who quits once the ball is past him or headed away from him. Maybe that changes once you give him $20 million guaranteed. I'm sure it will. Bad fit for the system, one-dimensional player in a system that requires it's OLBs to play the run, pass, and rush the passer with equal ability.

Jot it down right now that I don't think Von Miller is going to work out. And then we'll see in three or four years Shane or someone like him calling me out for being a poor evaluator of prospects, and we can point back here. When the Cards draft him, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Pariah]

We're going to get thrashed in the rungame IMO!!!

We already get thrashed in the run game. Why not at least be good at getting after the QB?