Von Miller's height/weight on NFL.com (6' 3", 243 lbs.)

[Lomax to Green 84]

I'm not 100% sure that this is the height and weight he measured at the for the combine, but I think it is. If so, he has put on 6 pounds since the senior bowl.

Last night on NFL Newtork, they showed clips from the Senior Bowl practices and focused specfically on Von Miller and the linebackers. Miller looked a heck of alot bigger than some of the pictures that have been floating around on this site. I'm starting to wonder if Miller wears a smaller set of shoulder pads than other defensive ends/linebackers on game days. The shots they showed on NFL Network sure made Miller look as big or bigger than most of the other outside backers at the Senior Bowl. Many have complained that he seems light in the legs and the pictures and youtube videos seem to show a smaller guy than what I saw from the Senior Bowl practices. He looked plenty big and is an absolute specimen compared to the other linebackers shown in the clips.

I know there is considerable debate going on about Miller and there should be. Is he stout enough to leverage the edge? Are he and Schofield the same type of player? Those are questions that the Cardinals will need to answer between now and late April. What makes me think that Miller is the #1 guy at this point is that the Cardinals are in win now mode. The division is still there for the taking in 2011 and Miller plays a position of critical need and he won't have as big a learning curve as a conversion type of guy (Robert Quinn).

Brian Billick said that Mike Mayock is the best evaluator of talent he has ever seen and that includes Ozzie Newsome. Mayock raved about Miller at the Senior Bowl and called Miller as game changer. I trust Mayock's judgement.

 

[Mitch]

I'm not 100% sure that this is the height and weight he measured at the for the combine, but I think it is. If so, he has put on 6 pounds since the senior bowl.

Last night on NFL Newtork, they showed clips from the Senior Bowl practices and focused specfically on Von Miller and the linebackers. Miller looked a heck of alot bigger than some of the pictures that have been floating around on this site. I'm starting to wonder if Miller wears a smaller set of shoulder pads than other defensive ends/linebackers on game days. The shots they showed on NFL Network sure made Miller look as big or bigger than most of the other outside backers at the Senior Bowl. Many have complained that he seems light in the legs and the pictures and youtube videos seem to show a smaller guy than what I saw from the Senior Bowl practices. He looked plenty big and is an absolute specimen compared to the other linebackers shown in the clips.

I know there is considerable debate going on about Miller and there should be. Is he stout enough to leverage the edge? Are he and Schofield the same type of player? Those are questions that the Cardinals will need to answer between now and late April. What makes me think that Miller is the #1 guy at this point is that the Cardinals are in win now mode. The division is still there for the taking in 2011 and Miller plays a position of critical need and he won't have as big a learning curve as a conversion type of guy (Robert Quinn).

Brian Billick said that Mike Mayock is the best evaluator of talent he has ever seen and that includes Ozzie Newsome. Mayock raved about Miller at the Senior Bowl and called Miller as game changer. I trust Mayock's judgement.

I agree Holian. Plus...this kid has impeccable character and leadership skills. And oh...that speed!

 

[Duckjake]

Are he and Schofield the same type of player?

As I've said many times this is the key question. It has to be answered accurately because you don't want to use the #5 pick in the draft on a guy who is identical to one you already have unless they can both be on the field at the same time. Like another Larry Fitzgerald for instance.

The picture of Will Davis at 6'2" 257 and Scofield walking off the field together speaks volumes to me. I put it up in another Miller thread. Note that in the picture it appears Davis is closer to the camera than Scofield which of course would make him look larger.

 

[Indiana Hoosier]

Would be a great pick, if available!

 

[Buckybird]

I luv Miller's athleticism & skills, but his size is a factor. He caught my eyes 2 years ago with his speed & pass rush skills and I've seen 1/2 of A&M's games in that time period. Believe me, his frame is small & he looks like a DB on the field despite his weight. IMO the combination of Schoefield, DWsh & Miller is going to have O-coordinators licking their chops in the run game.

If we do draft Miller @ #5 does that mean Shoefield is switched to the SOLB and has to begin learning a new position that hinders his progress? Just a thought.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

I luv Miller's athleticism & skills, but his size is a factor. He caught my eyes 2 years ago with his speed & pass rush skills and I've seen 1/2 of A&M's games in that time period. Believe me, his frame is small & he looks like a DB on the field despite his weight. IMO the combination of Schoefield, DWsh & Miller is going to have O-coordinators licking their chops in the run game.

If we do draft Miller @ #5 does that mean Shoefield is switched to the SOLB and has to begin learning a new position that hinders his progress? Just a thought.

I agree that the size is an issue especially with Scholfield and Washington already on the team. When I watch Miller, the guy he kind of reminds me of is former Steelers great Greg Lloyd. When Lloyd was on the field, I often times thought he was another defensive back until he lined up at linebacker and absolutely destroyed opposing quarterbacks. The Lloyd comparison kind of makes me think Miller is on our radar now with Ray Horton as defensive coordinator. Horton would have been a player during the Lloyd, Kevin Greene era and both of those guys were average sized at best. Lloyd routinely played at between 228-230 pounds and this was during an era when 3-4 teams like the Giants had literal giants (Pepper Johnson, Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, etc..) who all averaged in the 245-260 range.

I'm torn between Quinn, Houston, and Miller. What makes me think Miller may be the guy has as much to do with the character, leadership issue as it does with the ability. Miller's character is terrific and what sold me on him was watching him volunteer to play special teams during the senior bowl. Last night, NFL Network re-aired the Senior Bowl and toward the end of the game they show the sideline and Miller is talking to the coaches about going in on the kickoff coverage. For a guy who is considered a top 10 talent to risk his health with 3 minutes left in a meaningless game, speaks volumes to me about his passion for football.

 

[ajcardfan]

I try to not say much about Von Miller because I'll come off as an Aggie homer. But, I guess I can't help myself. He's the first Aggie in quite a long time that I'm certain will excel in the NFL. He's a special talent and whoever drafts him is going to be very happy, even if he is on the same roster as O' Brien Schofield and Darryl Washington.

 

[DoTheDew]

Even if Miller and Schofield are the same type of player, Schofield is entirely replaceable, whereas Miller has the makings of a double-digit a season sack guy. If they end up being the same type of player you either have a nice back-up to spell Miller, or you lose Schofield. Losing/benching Schofield is worth the chance at a elite pass rusher IMO.

 

[WildBB]

Even if Miller and Schofield are the same type of player, Schofield is entirely replaceable, whereas Miller has the makings of a double-digit a season sack guy. If they end up being the same type of player you either have a nice back-up to spell Miller, or you lose Schofield. Losing/benching Schofield is worth the chance at a elite pass rusher IMO.

Schofield has the chance to be a very good double digit sack man at the WOLB spot.

 

[overseascardfan]

I am tired of hearing about Miller does not have the size or strength to play the run. It seems like every year critics come out and knit pick about great players: Freeney is too short to play DE, Suggs doesn't have the speed, Dumervil is too small. Funny but all the professional analysts seem to think Miller is the favorite to win DROY and I for one believe them.

With all the OLBs being franchised, ARZ needs 2 pass rushers. If Scofield is healthy then Miller would make 2, but if Scofield is not then we may have to take Sheard or Acho in Round 3. I feel if we do not trade for Kolb, then I think we pick Mallett in Round 2 if he is there. That leaves LT, G, C and ILB as the needs for our last 4 picks.

 

[juza76]

i just want to let you know that miller is listed 6'3'' 246lb..from combine
justin houston 6'3'' 270 lb
bowers 6'3'' 280 he cant be olb
dontay moch 6'1'' 248 he put 19 lb from east west shrine game
robert quinn 6'4'' 265lb
aldon smith 6'4'' 263

 

[JerkFace]

I think that once Miller gets in a pro system and training he could easily get up to 255 by his second season.

 

[DoTheDew]

Schofield has the chance to be a very good double digit sack man at the WOLB spot.

Everyone has the chance. Miller is a better prospect than Schofield ever was, even before his injury, is the point.

 

[football karma]

curious to see what he runs

4.55 or so at that weight will answer a lot of questions

 

[Mulli]

i just want to let you know that miller is listed 6'3'' 246lb..from combine
justin houston 6'3'' 270 lb
bowers 6'3'' 280 he cant be olb
dontay moch 6'1'' 248 he put 19 lb from east west shrine game
robert quinn 6'4'' 265lb
aldon smith 6'4'' 263

Paging joeschmo...

 

[Sunburn]

Why not just take Quinn and save the guess work

 

[binkar]

If we are able to get Quinn or Miller I will be extremely happy.

 

[joeshmo]

Paging joeschmo...

For what?????

All I see are a bunch of guys who either lost or gained weight to be more in line with the currently super hot and very much a hot commodity 3-4 OLB position. Good for them and good for us. Except for Houston who may have made a mistake not getting to a more pro typical DE or OLB weight, he is in no mans land right now.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think the only way the Cards don't take Miller is if Peterson is also available. Then they still may take Miller but I'd go with Peterson if that was the case. Miller and Peterson are probably the two guys in the top 6-7 with the least amount of questions about them.
Quinn- sat out a year, can he transition?
Fairley- one year wonder and really was not a factor earlier in his career.
The Icon- Can he play in a pro offense?
Gabbert- is he talented enough to be a top 10 pick?
Bowers- Gaines Adams part II?
AJ Green- strenght an issue but that's about the only question with him.

You know what you're getting with Peterson and Miller. Miller is an elite pass rusher with some run defense concerns. Peterson, the only question about him is how long until he becomes a superstar? He'd be the punt returner and give the Cards two gifted playmakers in the secondary, with DRC. Toler/PP/DRC would be an incredible top 3 in the d-backfield.

 

[Duckjake]

Everyone has the chance. Miller is a better prospect than Schofield ever was, even before his injury, is the point.

Not from what I've read in the two players draft reports. O'Brien also had 12 sacks his last year in college.

I'd say Schofield is better for us because he has a more well rounded game and a year on an NFL team.

Draft Peterson, use him on returns and in nickel packages and groom him to take over for Wilson. Not as the "monster" back Wilson plays but as a more traditional SS. That is if Mayock is right about him being a better prospect at S and the new Cards DC isn't going to start rookies.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Bowers- Gaines Adams part II?

?

He's nothing like Gaines Adams other than playing at the same school and playing defensive end.

His ? is that he only had one good season much like Fairley after being the #1 overall recruit as a high school senior.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Draft Peterson, use him on returns and in nickel packages and groom him to take over for Wilson. Not as the "monster" back Wilson plays but as a more traditional SS. That is if Mayock is right about him being a better prospect at S and the new Cards DC isn't going to start rookies.

We already have that guy on the roster, his name is Kerry Rhodes.

I'd move Rhodes to SS and put Rashad Johnson or a player to be identified later in the FS position since you want that centerfielder type at FS and Rhodes can do most of the things Wilson can do but is a better cover guy.

 

[Chopper0080]

As far as Von Miller and O'Brian Schofield being on the field together, can Schofield cover? At some point it has to be recognized that not only can Von Miller rush the passer, but he can also cover better than any of the other top 3-4 candidates. I have a hard time seeing the Cardinals pass on Miller, but from what I have seen, I don't think that they will have the opportunity to. I think the draft goes Bowers, Quinn, Miller, Gabbert and ? with us, which I think will be Patrick Peterson.

 

[Duckjake]

We already have that guy on the roster, his name is Kerry Rhodes.

I'd move Rhodes to SS and put Rashad Johnson or a player to be identified later in the FS position since you want that centerfielder type at FS and Rhodes can do most of the things Wilson can do but is a better cover guy.

You don't think Peterson would be a better S than Rashod Johnson? I love the idea of a secondary of DRC, Tolar, Rhodes and Peterson. Plus if you believe the stories that no rookies are going to start right away Peterson gives us more first year value than Miller.

 

[Duckjake]

As far as Von Miller and O'Brian Schofield being on the field together, can Schofield cover? At some point it has to be recognized that not only can Von Miller rush the passer, but he can also cover better than any of the other top 3-4 candidates. I have a hard time seeing the Cardinals pass on Miller, but from what I have seen, I don't think that they will have the opportunity to. I think the draft goes Bowers, Quinn, Miller, Gabbert and ? with us, which I think will be Patrick Peterson.

Actually it is the other way around. Schofield was given much higher marks than Miller coming out for his coverage ability. In fact I haven't seen much of anything praising Millers coverage abilities. Did I miss something?

I'd still rather have Beal or Acho or Reed in round two.