Von Miller's height/weight on NFL.com (6' 3", 243 lbs.)

[Cbus cardsfan]

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He's nothing like Gaines Adams other than playing at the same school and playing defensive end.

His ? is that he only had one good season much like Fairley after being the #1 overall recruit as a high school senior.

That means he's likley had the same coaching. I know Bowden is not the HC coach anymore but they promoted from within. I'm not saying he's another Gaines Adams but they wore the same number and were close friends . Bowers is probably getting picked in the top 2. Carolina should take him #1 based on position and athletic ability.

 

[Chopper0080]

Actually it is the other way around. Schofield was given much higher marks than Miller coming out for his coverage ability. In fact I haven't seen much of anything praising Millers coverage abilities. Did I miss something?

I'd still rather have Beal or Acho or Reed in round two.

from FFToolbox:
Schofield is too small to play defensive end in the NFL, and his best position would likely be as a 3-4 outside linebacker. He is an incredible pass rusher, but his lack of experience dropping into coverage could hurt his ability to make the transition.

from the Sporting News:
Blitz/coverage: An explosive pass rusher from a three-point or upright stance. Lacks experience dropping into coverage but has the athletic ability, speed and quickness to be effective in that area.

Read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...-obrien-schofield-olb-wisconsin#ixzz1F8HjO184

CBS Sportsline:
Pass defense: Displays the speed needed to cover tight ends and running backs downfield and in the flat. Attacks plays in front of him, takes good angles and wraps securely. Aware of screens and can take out a running back before quarterback can throw the ball. Better receivers and tight ends will separate from him using their length. Must improve the fluidity in his backpedal and drop to get into position in coverage. Inexperienced recognizing routes and will need to prove he can make the interception.

I don't see any praise for his actual coverage ability, though all say he has the athleticism which I don't doubt that he had before his knee injury. Since his injury, who knows.

As for him being more experienced in coverage than Miller, until I see that report I am not buying it? Miller played OLB in college vs. Schofield who played DE. as far as experience in coverage between the two, I am favoring Miller the OLB.

 

[Duckjake]

from FFToolbox:
Schofield is too small to play defensive end in the NFL, and his best position would likely be as a 3-4 outside linebacker. He is an incredible pass rusher, but his lack of experience dropping into coverage could hurt his ability to make the transition.

from the Sporting News:
Blitz/coverage: An explosive pass rusher from a three-point or upright stance. Lacks experience dropping into coverage but has the athletic ability, speed and quickness to be effective in that area.

Read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...-obrien-schofield-olb-wisconsin#ixzz1F8HjO184

CBS Sportsline:
Pass defense: Displays the speed needed to cover tight ends and running backs downfield and in the flat. Attacks plays in front of him, takes good angles and wraps securely. Aware of screens and can take out a running back before quarterback can throw the ball. Better receivers and tight ends will separate from him using their length. Must improve the fluidity in his backpedal and drop to get into position in coverage. Inexperienced recognizing routes and will need to prove he can make the interception.

I don't see any praise for his actual coverage ability, though all say he has the athleticism which I don't doubt that he had before his knee injury. Since his injury, who knows.

As for him being more experienced in coverage than Miller, until I see that report I am not buying it? Miller played OLB in college vs. Schofield who played DE. as far as experience in coverage between the two, I am favoring Miller the OLB.

Schofield played OLB in the NFL as opposed to Miller who played in college.

 

[Chopper0080]

Schofield played OLB in the NFL as opposed to Miller who played in college.

and yet I still have never seen him distinguish himself as a superior player in pass coverage. I get that he is athletic, but Schofield have never shown anything but POTENTIAL in regards to his ability to effectively cover TE's and RB's. Von Miller has actually shown the ability to cover TE's down the field and drop into zones in college, and at the Senior Bowl.

 

[Duckjake]

and yet I still have never seen him distinguish himself as a superior player in pass coverage. I get that he is athletic, but Schofield have never shown anything but POTENTIAL in regards to his ability to effectively cover TE's and RB's. Von Miller has actually shown the ability to cover TE's down the field and drop into zones in college, and at the Senior Bowl.

I never saw it while he played at A&M. Miller is also nothing but POTENTIAL. Schofield is the exact same guy and already has a year in the NFL in the Cards system. To draft Miller would be a waste of a top 5 pick. Not to mention the guy is too small for our defense. If we still had the 6'4" 250lb Dansby it would be different but there is no way you can put Levar Fisher with Raynoch Thompson and Ron McKinnon and have a good defense. We've already tried that.

 

[Buckybird]

but there is no way you can put Levar Fisher with Raynoch Thompson and Ron McKinnon and have a good defense. We've already tried that.

Duck I agree & think many here aren't looking at that. You can have all the athletic freaks you want but if they can't get off the big bullies up front you're screwed. IMO it's a receipe for disaster.

 

[Duckjake]

Duck I agree & think many here aren't looking at that. You can have all the athletic freaks you want but if they can't get off the big bullies up front you're screwed. IMO it's a receipe for disaster.

Exactly. If we still had Dansby I wouldn't have any trouble with Miller or Schofield as our OLBs. But we have Washington. I just don't think you can put that many smaller guys on the field in the NFL. Especially when our DTs are also smaller.

It's just like the QB discussions. Running QBs won't work because of all the grown azz men in the NFL but small linebackers will? It doesn't add up.

Of course it really doesn't matter who we play on our defense all a team has to do is start their #2 Running Back and they win 41-7.

 

[Mulli]

For what?????

All I see are a bunch of guys who either lost or gained weight to be more in line with the currently super hot and very much a hot commodity 3-4 OLB position. Good for them and good for us. Except for Houston who may have made a mistake not getting to a more pro typical DE or OLB weight, he is in no mans land right now.

:thumbsup:

 

[overseascardfan]

I never saw it while he played at A&M. Miller is also nothing but POTENTIAL. Schofield is the exact same guy and already has a year in the NFL in the Cards system. To draft Miller would be a waste of a top 5 pick. Not to mention the guy is too small for our defense. If we still had the 6'4" 250lb Dansby it would be different but there is no way you can put Levar Fisher with Raynoch Thompson and Ron McKinnon and have a good defense. We've already tried that.

To be fair, Fisher and Thompson were injured a lot and thus didn't play together a lot, not making excuses for them but DEN's defense with Gold, Wilson & Williams at LB was pretty good. Miller could easily be 250-255 by Week 1 if he is at 243 right now.

 

[juza76]

To be fair, Fisher and Thompson were injured a lot and thus didn't play together a lot, not making excuses for them but DEN's defense with Gold, Wilson & Williams at LB was pretty good. Miller could easily be 250-255 by Week 1 if he is at 243 right now.

he is 246 right now

 

[Totally_Red]

The question arises-even with Von Miller being an elite pass rusher, is he a 3-down OLB in the NFL? Not only can Peterson play the run and defend the pass, but he has been an outstanding return specialist in the best collegiate FB conference. I select him over Miller in a NY minute.

No matter what, the Cardinals have to have an impact defensive player at #5 overall. No quarterback in round one!

 

[THESMEL]

Well Dwash is a smaller safety hybrid type WILB, I would like to see a fast larger bruiser on the outside. Miller played in the 230's like Dwash. I'm worried about them 2 together, I don't like projecting playing at a heavier weight, at these positions.

 

[kerouac9]

To be fair, Fisher and Thompson were injured a lot and thus didn't play together a lot, not making excuses for them but DEN's defense with Gold, Wilson & Williams at LB was pretty good. Miller could easily be 250-255 by Week 1 if he is at 243 right now.

He's heavier now than he's ever played at, and players usually LOSE weight through camp, not put it on.

If you take Von Miller at #5, expect him to be playing at 235 by Week 16. :

 

[Bert]

He just ran a 4.4 40 yard dash at the Combine and looks like a freak of nature.

I was already sold based on his play last season, now I'm double sold. I think he's a guy that has an instant impact at OLB.

Cam newton on the other hand has looked like garbage in every area, Jake Locker ran a faster 40 than him and his accuracy drill was a disaster.

BTW it's DL/LB day at the combine live on NFL network if anyone wants to take a peek.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

He just ran a 4.4 40 yard dash at the Combine and looks like a freak of nature.

I was already sold based on his play last season, now I'm double sold. I think he's a guy that has an instant impact at OLB.

Cam newton on the other hand has looked like garbage in every area, Jake Locker ran a faster 40 than him and his accuracy drill was a disaster.

BTW it's DL/LB day at the combine live on NFL network if anyone wants to take a peek.

BS....

 

[juza76]

He just ran a 4.4 40 yard dash at the Combine and looks like a freak of nature.

I was already sold based on his play last season, now I'm double sold. I think he's a guy that has an instant impact at OLB.

Cam newton on the other hand has looked like garbage in every area, Jake Locker ran a faster 40 than him and his accuracy drill was a disaster.

BTW it's DL/LB day at the combine live on NFL network if anyone wants to take a peek.

locker run an official 4.58 ..the same of cam newton..so he is not faster...and honestly i think in a real game newton show more accuracy then locker..anyway i wouldnt take newton at 5

 

[ajcardfan]

Comparing Von Miller to Levar Fisher and Ray Thompson is ludicrous. Even if size-wise they are similar to Miller, neither one was nearly the stud Miller was on the field.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Exactly. If we still had Dansby I wouldn't have any trouble with Miller or Schofield as our OLBs. But we have Washington. I just don't think you can put that many smaller guys on the field in the NFL. Especially when our DTs are also smaller.

It's just like the QB discussions. Running QBs won't work because of all the grown azz men in the NFL but small linebackers will? It doesn't add up.

Of course it really doesn't matter who we play on our defense all a team has to do is start their #2 Running Back and they win 41-7.

Here's the Pittsburgh roster. Check out the weights of their front 7, and then take the time to look at the Cards, and add a 246 pound Von Miller. Other than Lamar Woodley's extra 20 Lbs there is no appreciable difference.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/roster/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-steelers

 

[187]

Here's the Pittsburgh roster. Check out the weights of their front 7, and then take the time to look at the Cards, and add a 246 pound Von Miller. Other than Lamar Woodley's extra 20 Lbs there is no appreciable difference.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/roster/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-steelers

Harrison's weight is misleading because of his height. He's an even 6' and is built like a silverback.

 

[Chopper0080]

From what I saw today, Von Miller's lower body is much bigger than I thought it was. Just by getting older, and with his muscles filling out, he will be 250 in the NFL.