warner not the problem

[chicards11]

does anybody think that if all these dropped passes are caught (which they should be) then were not bashing warner. If urban catches all the balls he's thrown to....we might be 5-3

 

[Mulli]

Boldin also had a crucial drop. Yes he was hit hard by the safety, but he usually holds on to such passes. To me, the lack of ANY running game against a bad run defense was more of the problem.

 

[Rivercard]

To me, the lack of ANY running game against a bad run defense was more of the problem.

That and Tampa moving at will on 3rd down.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

OMG I am in such complete dissarray right now with Amares knee, Lute taking a leave, and this god awful performance that I was lucky enough to attend. The poor defense is actually very high caliber but our "pro Bowl" offense cant get of of their own way.

Let me shorten it up for you.

Warner IS the problem. And so is our all of sudden MIA running game.

I hope finally this puts to rest the notion that KW can be a starter in this league. Does his starting record say it all? Ask yourself this - When was the last time Warner could carry a team to a win when EVERYONE else was not playing up to par. I think it was 2001. Ever since he lost his job for the second time to Bulger he has been a ghost of what he was for that brilliant three year stretch. He can come in and look good in the no huddle - but the book on how to beat him is out there and we are going no where with him at QB.

Leinart was not a world beater three games into his second season (and I am still confident he will develop) but i marvel at how much better control he had of a game then Warner. Warner will throw 2 INTS a game but have 300 yards passing and a TD and everyone will look at the good and think "hes still got it".

Nope. In fact doesn't every one notice how his turnovers are ALWAYS at the worst possible time.

I tire of Warner and he is just good enough to break your heart.

Obviously we need to get the Oline health back in order and put our intended starting 5 out there to actually run the ball - but we are not going to win a damn thing with warner at the helm. Thats a fact.

What a joke. Lets start Tim Rattay.

 

[Pariah]

Warner is part of the problem. He is not THE problem.

 

[Shane]

Warner is part of the problem. He is not THE problem.

 

[earthsci]

Warner is part of the problem. He is not THE problem.

Thanks for saving me the typing.

 

[Totally_Red]

Warner is part of the problem. He is not THE problem.

His limitations really were apparent Sunday. You see the opposing QB drive the Cardinals nuts with his scrambling and running and then you see Warner as a statue in the pocket. Normally against a straight zone team like the Bucs, if everyone is covered, the QB could take off running. The Cardinals did not have that option, because, one, the O-line did a lousy job of pass protection, and, 2, Warner is slower than molasses.

 

[Redmark]

Am I wrong?

Thanks for saving me the typing.

I thought since the injury his passes are not as sharp, seem to hang a bit longer and scare me to death. They are still on target (most of the time), but may be arriving just a tad late, giving the DB's time to line up their target and pound the heck out of our receivers.

Before the injury, he was firing the ball with much more authority. He had a real zip on his passes and was getting them off much quicker.

Anyone agree? Disagree?

Thanks

 

[Mulli]

It seemed like Warner, out of trying to avoid pressure, would take three steps and get rid of it so fast the db's would be surprised and drop a sure interception. I think it messed up the receivers as well.

There were a few times Buc fans were complaining about Garcia overreacting to pressure and throwing it too soon, but that ended in the second half.

 

[Rivercard]

I thought since the injury his passes are not as sharp, seem to hang a bit longer and scare me to death. They are still on target (most of the time), but may be arriving just a tad late, giving the DB's time to line up their target and pound the heck out of our receivers.

Before the injury, he was firing the ball with much more authority. He had a real zip on his passes and was getting them off much quicker.

Anyone agree? Disagree?

Thanks

He seems to be throwing high resulting in a LOT of tipped balls.

 

[Totally_Red]

I thought since the injury his passes are not as sharp, seem to hang a bit longer and scare me to death. They are still on target (most of the time), but may be arriving just a tad late, giving the DB's time to line up their target and pound the heck out of our receivers.

Before the injury, he was firing the ball with much more authority. He had a real zip on his passes and was getting them off much quicker.

Anyone agree? Disagree?

Thanks

He was sharp as nails in the no-huddle. I am at a loss to know why the Cardinals don't run it more. That's about the only time he looks sharp and confident. If you must, play Tim Rattay in the regular offense, and bring Kurt off the bench to run the no-huddle.

 

[SeattleCard]

I agree with the original post. I don't think Warner is THE problem. I think there are multiple issues with this team. I still think we can turn this thing around, but yesterday was ugly.

 

[Mulli]

He was sharp as nails in the no-huddle. I am at a loss to know why the Cardinals don't run it more. That's about the only time he looks sharp and confident. If you must, play Tim Rattay in the regular offense, and bring Kurt off the bench to run the no-huddle.

I don't mean to be argumentative here, but weren't the two drives after the Cards final touchdown in the no huddle. Those were as bad as the rest of the drives in that game, in my opinion.

 

[Totally_Red]

I don't mean to be argumentative here, but weren't the two drives after the Cards final touchdown in the no huddle. Those were as bad as the rest of the drives in that game, in my opinion.

Arizona Cardinals at 3:31​

1-10-ARZ 26 (3:31) (Shotgun) K.Warner pass incomplete short left to J.Urban [G.White].
2-10-ARZ 26 (3:26) (Shotgun) K.Warner pass incomplete deep middle to J.Urban.
3-10-ARZ 26 (3:19) (Shotgun) K.Warner pass incomplete short middle to Bry.Johnson (C.June).
4-10-ARZ 26 (3:13) (Punt formation) M.Barr punts 40 yards to TB 34, Center-N.Hodel, fair catch by I.Hilliard.

I think one of the three was a DROP by Urban. The B.J. incompletion was because Johnson cut off his route.​

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Arizona Cardinals at 2:39​

1-10-ARZ 16 (2:39) (Shotgun) K.Warner pass deep left intended for L.Fitzgerald INTERCEPTED by J.Phillips at ARZ 46.
J.Phillips ran ob at ARZ 46 for no gain.

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/29318/TB_Gamebook.pdf​

 

[Mulli]

Man there is quite a drop off from Fitz/ Boldin to Darren Urban and BJ.

 

[stewdog1]

I thought since the injury his passes are not as sharp, seem to hang a bit longer and scare me to death. They are still on target (most of the time), but may be arriving just a tad late, giving the DB's time to line up their target and pound the heck out of our receivers.

Before the injury, he was firing the ball with much more authority. He had a real zip on his passes and was getting them off much quicker.

Anyone agree? Disagree?

Thanks

I agree completely. The guy can't move his left arm, which is causing his release to be different. The left arm moving away from his body and then down is what helps a thrower to be accurate. Because he can't bend his arm properly, it is causing the way he throws the ball to be different.

 

[RonF]

Fitz stepping out of bounds on the 30 yardline sure didn't help. I also agree with others that this loss was a team effort not the fault of the QB. If we can't run or catch the ball then we won't beat anybody, I don't care who the QB is.

 

[D-Dogg]

Yes, his throws are not crisp and they are sailing high on him. 82 was going on about Kurt leading Fitz on that long run down the sidelines, but the throw was maybe 20 yards in the air and 100 feet high...a tiny little lob pass that was very week. No dart...not a "lead." I could have thrown that pass. Nothing special about it.

Since the arm injury, Kurt has lost all zip on the ball...yesterday he lost all control on it too. Yes, receivers cut routes short but I wonder how much that has to do with them not wanting to jump up at get lit up again?

 

[cardsfanmd]

Rackers is the problem.

 

[Redheart]

... Yes, receivers cut routes short but I wonder how much that has to do with them not wanting to jump up at get lit up again?

It does look like Kurt is leading them to be killed with his throws...

 

[Mulli]

It does look like Kurt is leading them to be killed with his throws...

Bucfan kept asking me yesterday why Warner was throwing over the middle right into the teeth of the cover 2.

 

[Big Red D]

did anyone catch warner and the coaches arguing on the sideline? i think i saw our quarterbacks coach get upset at warner and throw the defensive pictures do the ground and kurt picked them up.

 

[Austin Zonie]

I agree there is more to this problem than the play of KW. However, if I were to list the issues that make up the "whole"of the Cards problem, KW would be at the top.

 

[Austin Zonie]

did anyone catch warner and the coaches arguing on the sideline? i think i saw our quarterbacks coach get upset at warner and throw the defensive pictures do the ground and kurt picked them up.

I saw that at the bar I was watching the game at. We didn't have any audio; did the commentators comment on that?