warner not the problem

[Mainstreet]

Apparently a lot of that will have to do with Graves if he is the real GM he says he is.

I think Graves is a proven commodity. I say stay the course. Winning is everything. No, wait I have the wrong GM.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Warner isn't the problem.

Mulli is the problem. He was there. They lost. Can't be more clear than that.

Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Brian]

Bucfan kept asking me yesterday why Warner was throwing over the middle right into the teeth of the cover 2.

Because that's the only way to attack the Cover-two. Right down the middle. The safeties have the outside, the MLB has the middle. ALWAYS take that chance vs. the Cover (or Tampa) two.

 

[moklerman]

Because that's the only way to attack the Cover-two. Right down the middle. The safeties have the outside, the MLB has the middle. ALWAYS take that chance vs. the Cover (or Tampa) two.

That's exactly true. In this particular case though, the Card's were at an even further disadvantage because the Buc's were only rushing 3 and 4 and there was still no rushing threat.

If you're going to set up the run by passing against a Tampa-2 you have to go spread. It was effective in the 2nd half because Arizona was flooding the field with receivers and Warner was able to find the holes in the zone defense. If you try to pass out of the pro-set, it's a lot harder and the receivers are going to pay the price. Pope should/could have been a huge advantage against that style of D but he's still got a lot further to go than I thought. He just looks slow and awkward. With his big body, he should have shielded the defender (a la Gates/Gonzo) and made the reception on the play that became an interception. I think that's what Warner was looking for. Instead of breaking up the seam, Pople just floated over the middle. Not a good route at all. The second time he got the ball thrown to him, he was stopped dead in his tracks so easily that it was hard to accept on a physics level. I thought he was a steal when the Card's drafted him but it doesn't look like it now.

 

[Mulli]

Because that's the only way to attack the Cover-two. Right down the middle. The safeties have the outside, the MLB has the middle. ALWAYS take that chance vs. the Cover (or Tampa) two.

That is the opposite of what they were saying. And it didn't really work when Warner did it, now did it?

 

[Redmark]

We have a lot of problems and just are not a very good team. I do not think we can blame any one person at this point. I think we have the right coaches now. I am not very hopeful about Graves as he is one of the "constants" in the continuing problems this team has in winning. I doubt there is any one player in the NFL we could bring in and make us any better than a .500 team. We have holes all over the place. Hopefully we are getting better but only time will tell. We will need as usual to sign a couple of good FA's and have a good draft. Apparently a lot of that will have to do with Graves if he is the real GM he says he is.

I disagree on the player front. Most teams have a few holes. We may lack depth, but the starters are experienced talented players. The rag-tag o-line has performed well and now all the starters are back. There we do have some depth with Sendlein and E. Brown. The receivers talents are well documented; however, we don't exploit Johnson's speed. RBs, all solid. QB fine (no holes there except for injured one). TE is being developed, Grimm will make a decent blocker out of Pope in due course.

Defense is top 9 in NFL. Dockett, Pace, 2 CBs and Wilson of course have been playing very well as have Watson and Smith at times.

Randy Moss might, if he brought Brady with him. Right now we are a missed FG and blown fumble recovery from being 5-3 (+500).

 

[JeffGollin]

Here's What I Think (After all, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night)

Within the context of his supporting cast, Kurt may be the problem.

Although the O-line has only given up 8 sacks, this doesn't mean that Warner isn't being hurried much of the time.

What I think is happening is that, with the offensive pocket constantly moving back toward him, Kurt lacks the mobility to roll out of the pocket and throw on the run that some other QB's have.

Instead, from his stationary position back there, he's forced to throw off his back foot (often lofting the ball over pass rushers in order to prevent it from being batted down) and too often misses his receivers or leads them into major train wrecks from physical corners and safeties. Or he thinks he can still make throws off that back foot and tries to thread the needle too finely between 2 or 3 defenders and gets picked off.

Given the "bend but don't break" way or offensive line has been put together by Russ Grimm (who is working miracles with the guys he's got), I fear that it comes down to either (a) Kurt better understanding what his limitations are and not trying to make throws he can no longer make or (b) putting in a more mobile QB like Rattay or Hasselbeck who can move outside the pocket and throw on on the run.

Clearly, I'd rather see Kurt figuring out how to cutvdown on bad throws and interceptions than I would risking putting our offense in the hands of 2 unknown entities, but it might just come down to that.

 

[Totally_Red]

Within the context of his supporting cast, Kurt may be the problem.

Although the O-line has only given up 8 sacks, this doesn't mean that Warner isn't being hurried much of the time.

What I think is happening is that, with the offensive pocket constantly moving back toward him, Kurt lacks the mobility to roll out of the pocket and throw on the run that some other QB's have.

Instead, from his stationary position back there, he's forced to throw off his back foot (often lofting the ball over pass rushers in order to prevent it from being batted down) and too often misses his receivers or leads them into major train wrecks from physical corners and safeties. Or he thinks he can still make throws off that back foot and tries to thread the needle too finely between 2 or 3 defenders and gets picked off.

Given the "bend but don't break" way or offensive line has been put together by Russ Grimm (who is working miracles with the guys he's got), I fear that it comes down to either (a) Kurt better understanding what his limitations are and not trying to make throws he can no longer make or (b) putting in a more mobile QB like Rattay or Hasselbeck who can move outside the pocket and throw on on the run.

Clearly, I'd rather see Kurt figuring out how to cutvdown on bad throws and interceptions than I would risking putting our offense in the hands of 2 unknown entities, but it might just come down to that.

At one point the Fox crew had TB with 16 QB hurries. That's a problem. Worst game by far by the O-line. I hope in Gandy's case it was because he was rusty, because he was a big part of the problem with his false starts.

 

[Duckjake]

At one point the Fox crew had TB with 16 QB hurries.

What is their definition of a "QB hurry"? It looked to me like Warner had plenty of time to throw in the first half.

 

[slanidrac16]

Within the context of his supporting cast, Kurt may be the problem.

Although the O-line has only given up 8 sacks, this doesn't mean that Warner isn't being hurried much of the time.

What I think is happening is that, with the offensive pocket constantly moving back toward him, Kurt lacks the mobility to roll out of the pocket and throw on the run that some other QB's have.

Instead, from his stationary position back there, he's forced to throw off his back foot (often lofting the ball over pass rushers in order to prevent it from being batted down) and too often misses his receivers or leads them into major train wrecks from physical corners and safeties. Or he thinks he can still make throws off that back foot and tries to thread the needle too finely between 2 or 3 defenders and gets picked off.

Given the "bend but don't break" way or offensive line has been put together by Russ Grimm (who is working miracles with the guys he's got), I fear that it comes down to either (a) Kurt better understanding what his limitations are and not trying to make throws he can no longer make or (b) putting in a more mobile QB like Rattay or Hasselbeck who can move outside the pocket and throw on on the run.

Clearly, I'd rather see Kurt figuring out how to cutvdown on bad throws and interceptions than I would risking putting our offense in the hands of 2 unknown entities, but it might just come down to that.

I nominate this as the post of the week!!!