Was Leinart this bad? Here, let me answer that for you:

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

ML without a shred of doubt would've been better than the crap we've seen all season. ML was atleast an avg. Qb and THAT is all that was needed to win this division this year.

 

[bg7brd]

ML without a shred of doubt would've been better than the crap we've seen all season. ML was atleast an avg. Qb and THAT is all that was needed to win this division this year.

You have no idea whether or not Matt would have been better than what we've had this year so far. It's always easy to play the "what if" game but Matt hasn't exactly lit it up in Houston.

 

[Joe L]

ML without a shred of doubt would've been better than the crap we've seen all season. ML was atleast an avg. Qb and THAT is all that was needed to win this division this year.

Agreed.

 

[ajcardfan]

You have no idea whether or not Matt would have been better than what we've had this year so far. It's always easy to play the "what if" game but Matt hasn't exactly lit it up in Houston.

Well, it's not like he's never seen the field for the Cardinals. He started the equivalent of a full season and he never looked as pathetic as Anderson and Hall have this year.

 

[freebyrd]

leinert will end up starting and resurrecting his career, i am just glad he didn't go to a division rival

 

[TheHopToad]

Seriously: by not playing he's shown himself to be a better quarterback than Max Hall.

Using that logic, I can say that Jamarcus Russell is better than Max Hall. Better go out and get him...

 

[Joe L]

Using that logic, I can say that Jamarcus Russell is better than Max Hall. Better go out and get him...

Sad to say, but I'd do it in a heartbeat.

where do I sign?

 

[Buckybird]

leinert will end up starting and resurrecting his career, i am just glad he didn't go to a division rival

It could happen next year...SF.

I predict it will & Leinart will have all the motives to make Wiz eat crow.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

we knew that already... Rothlisberger stated a few times that wis hindered his development more than helped it.
Wis does not like anyone who is in a position to argue with him about his offense,....all those cocky ass big ego having QB's.
guys like we have now,...they would never argue with the coach who gave them a shot.....just the kind of QB wis likes.

that's not true. Warner would reportedly argue with Whiz all the time over play calling. This isn't that hard to figure out. Whisenhunt didn't like Leinart for whatever reason and moved on. It has nothing to do with egos. There's no doubt Leinart is a better QB than what the Cards have put out there so far but that doesn't mean getting rid of him wasn't the right move. Chemistry is a big deal and if the players/staff didn't like him, they're not going to play hard for him and the feeling would run through the whole team. I was a ML fan and would have liked to see him get the job but no coach is going to make moves they think hurt the team. Besides ML was gone after this year anyway because the Cards weren't going to pay him big money and he wasn't going to take a pay cut.

 

[CaptTurbo]

that's not true. Warner would reportedly argue with Whiz all the time over play calling. This isn't that hard to figure out. Whisenhunt didn't like Leinart for whatever reason and moved on. .

My only problem is Whiz kept Leinart as #2 for TWO YEARS! If you dont like him cut him and get a new guy in there that can be ready to take over.

 

[Cardiac]

that's not true. Warner would reportedly argue with Whiz all the time over play calling. This isn't that hard to figure out. Whisenhunt didn't like Leinart for whatever reason and moved on. It has nothing to do with egos. There's no doubt Leinart is a better QB than what the Cards have put out there so far but that doesn't mean getting rid of him wasn't the right move. Chemistry is a big deal and if the players/staff didn't like him, they're not going to play hard for him and the feeling would run through the whole team. I was a ML fan and would have liked to see him get the job but no coach is going to make moves they think hurt the team. Besides ML was gone after this year anyway because the Cards weren't going to pay him big money and he wasn't going to take a pay cut.

cosign.

 

[BW52]

So what exactly has beer bong boy done to prove Whiz wrong again?

And what have the other QBs done to prove Whiz right?

 

[40yearfan]

we knew that already... Rothlisberger stated a few times that wis hindered his development more than helped it.
Wis does not like anyone who is in a position to argue with him about his offense,....all those cocky ass big ego having QB's.
guys like we have now,...they would never argue with the coach who gave them a shot.....just the kind of QB wis likes.

And so you think Warner never argued with coach Whis?

 

[bg7brd]

that's not true. Warner would reportedly argue with Whiz all the time over play calling. This isn't that hard to figure out. Whisenhunt didn't like Leinart for whatever reason and moved on. It has nothing to do with egos. There's no doubt Leinart is a better QB than what the Cards have put out there so far but that doesn't mean getting rid of him wasn't the right move. Chemistry is a big deal and if the players/staff didn't like him, they're not going to play hard for him and the feeling would run through the whole team. I was a ML fan and would have liked to see him get the job but no coach is going to make moves they think hurt the team. Besides ML was gone after this year anyway because the Cards weren't going to pay him big money and he wasn't going to take a pay cut.

THIS!!!

 

[chickenhead]

that's not true. Warner would reportedly argue with Whiz all the time over play calling. This isn't that hard to figure out. Whisenhunt didn't like Leinart for whatever reason and moved on. It has nothing to do with egos. There's no doubt Leinart is a better QB than what the Cards have put out there so far but that doesn't mean getting rid of him wasn't the right move. Chemistry is a big deal and if the players/staff didn't like him, they're not going to play hard for him and the feeling would run through the whole team. I was a ML fan and would have liked to see him get the job but no coach is going to make moves they think hurt the team. Besides ML was gone after this year anyway because the Cards weren't going to pay him big money and he wasn't going to take a pay cut.

Good points. Yes, I would have loved to have had Leinart on the field in Seattle instead of Anderson and Hall, but the question of keeping him and his 11m escalation next year would likely still be open. Yes there's a chance he might have won that role this year, but my cynical take is that the decision had already been made.

So he had a decent game against Tennessee last year: there's just as good a chance he would have had a bad game against Atlanta this year and been benched in favor of Anderson anyway. The real problem is that we're no closer to knowing who the QB is next year.

 

[THESMEL]

I have had Matty graded as a borderline elite NFL QB, the whole time, Kurt was more elite and hence started. Matt Schaub is putting up some 500 yard games in front of Matty who doesn't know the texas system right now.

I've seen folks ebb and flow, change their minds but i have remained true to my belief way before, during and after.

I would not be surprised if Jerry Jones doesn't hopp all over Matty, Matty is better than ROMO by my grades. Matts preseason performance on this horrible Cards team only solidifies my grades too me.

Can't prove it? whiz cut his throat and bled him out, like many more players including Deuce, Lyle, Breaston and Patrick. a good HC with personell powers would have fed them a workout bonus, and left Faneca and Porter on the scrap heap at their price.

My only hope is that Whiz learns from this? He has 5 more years with complete power. It's Buddy Ryan all over again, hand picked favorites over drafted talent at a huge cost to the salary cap, or no cap numbers as it may be.

Matty is better than all but maybe 10 QB's in the NFL right now hands down, I can see that from the stands!

 

[azmike74]

Can't prove it? whiz cut his throat and bled him out, like many more players including Deuce, Lyle, Breaston and Patrick. a good HC with personell powers would have fed them a workout bonus, and left Faneca and Porter on the scrap heap at their price.

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I'm not sure what you mean here. I don't follow how Whiz "cut the throat" of Breaston, Patrick and Lyle. Could you be more specific?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I have had Matty graded as a borderline elite NFL QB, the whole time, Kurt was more elite and hence started. Matt Schaub is putting up some 500 yard games in front of Matty who doesn't know the texas system rigt now.

I've seen folks ebb and flow, change their minds but i have remained true to my beleif way before, during and after.

I would not be surprised if Jery Jones doesn't hopp all over Matty, Matty is better than ROMO by my grades. Matts preseason performance on this horrible Cards team only solidifies my grades too me.

I don't see the Cowboys ditching Romo.

Now Minnesota.... That could be interesting. Questions will surely loom about Peter Flash's future there, as they seemingly always do. After this season, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see the Vikes move on. Quite honestly, I don't think they'll be in the position to grab one of the QB available in the draft, and to be honest, Minnesota is clearly in "win now" mode and I doubt they'd have the patience to go through the growing pains of a rookie.

As crazy as this seems, Leinart might offer them a better chance to win now than any of the other available QB and will come at a price tag that shouldn't be too cap circumventing.

If I had to make the gamble, I'd be willing to bet on him going to Minnesota. Just a hunch though.

Can't prove it? whiz cut his throat and bled him out, like many more players including Deuce, Lyle, Breaston and Patrick. a good HC with personell powers would have fed them a workout bonus, and left Faneca and Porter on the scrap heap at their price.

My only hope is that Whiz learns from this? He has 5 more years with complete power. It's Buddy Ryan all over again, hand picked favorites over drafted talent at a huge cost to the salary cap, or no cap numbers as it may be.

Matty is better than all but maybe 10 QB's in the NFL right now hands down, I can see that from the stands!

Honestly, name the 10-15 you think he's better than.. I like Leinart too, but I think saying he's better than 20 other starters is a bit much.

Also, I'm confused as to how he "cut" Breaston's throat?

 

[Pariah]

I have had Matty graded as a borderline elite NFL QB, the whole time, ...
Matty is better than all but maybe 10 QB's in the NFL right now hands down, I can see that from the stands!

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[kerouac9]

Does anyone care about THESMEL's rating of #7? Does his rating carry credibility with anyone?

Some starters clearly better than #7 right now:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Aaron Rogers
5. Matt Schaub
6. Kyle Orton
7. Eli Manning
8. Joe Flacco
9. Phillip Rivers (Should be higher but I forgot about him--he's #4)
10. Matt Ryan
11. Tony Romo
12. Mark Sanchez
13. Donovan McNabb
14. Michael Vick
15. Kevin Kolb
16. Carson Palmer
17. Sam Bradford

And that's just the start of the list. It doesn't matter whether or not #7 would be a top shelf starter in 2010--he wouldn't be. It does matter that #7 probably wouldn't be the worst starter in the NFL--which is what we're stuck with.

Even after everything, the mythical Captain Checkdown #7 would have been better than 5-8 starters in the NFL, and that would have meant that we'd be no worse than 4-2 right now and in the driver's seat for the NFC West.

But I challenge anyone honestly to say that there isn't a starting quarterback on 31 other teams that they wouldn't rather have than Max Hall or Derek Anderson, and there are probably 15 #2 quarterbacks that they'd rather have than our starter.

 

[Pariah]

Does anyone care about THESMEL's rating of #7? Does his rating carry credibility with anyone?
there are probably 15 #2 quarterbacks that they'd rather have than our starter.

Probably more.

 

[kerouac9]

Probably more.

Maybe. I'm not saying that I'd rather have Jordan Palmer or Jimmy Clausen as our starting quarterback. Would you rather have David Carr? Josh Johnson?

There are a lot of bad #2 quarterbacks in the NFL. I think you could debate whether there are more than 15 #2s, but I think that we'd clearly be better with 15 of them.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Does anyone care about THESMEL's rating of #7? Does his rating carry credibility with anyone?

Some starters clearly better than #7 right now:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Aaron Rogers
5. Matt Schaub
6. Kyle Orton
7. Eli Manning
8. Joe Flacco
9. Phillip Rivers (Should be higher but I forgot about him--he's #4)
10. Matt Ryan
11. Tony Romo
12. Mark Sanchez
13. Donovan McNabb
14. Michael Vick
15. Kevin Kolb
16. Carson Palmer
17. Sam Bradford

Then there's Drew Brees and Jay Cutler..

As for Leinart being better than what the Cardinals currently have, you're preaching to the choir here. I was mistified at how many people were gung ho to get rid of him, especially with what they were facing going in to the season behind center.

I'd take Leinart back in a heartbeat. He should have never been cut to begin with, yet it was as much a financial/ personal thing as anything.

I refuse to buy the garbage excuse that the "team didn't rally behind him". That's something that is earned over time as a starter. Get in there, win a few games and watch how quick they rally.

 

[kerouac9]

Then there's Drew Brees and Jay Cutler..

As for Leinart being better than what the Cardinals currently have, you're preaching to the choir here. I was mistified at how many people were gung ho to get rid of him, especially with what they were facing going in to the season behind center.

I'd take Leinart back in a heartbeat. He should have never been cut to begin with, yet it was as much a financial/ personal thing as anything.

I refuse to buy the garbage excuse that the "team didn't rally behind him". That's something that is earned over time as a starter. Get in there, win a few games and watch how quick they rally.

I don't think that it was a financial issue at all. #7 wasn't earning that much for a starting QB, and if DA succeeded, he would have earned just as much, if not a little more. Maybe for 2011, but if #7 was mediocre, then you cut him like you did Antron.

I agree that the "spark" excuse didn't carry water. And the "he doesn't do work" excuse doesn't seem convincing from everything we've heard. But I've been told that Coach doesn't regret cutting #7 even a little bit, even now. So that's just what we have to live with and we probably accelerated the process of becoming terrible if not extended the period in which we're going to be bad.

 

[Matt L]

I have had Matty graded as a borderline elite NFL QB, the whole time, Kurt was more elite and hence started. Matt Schaub is putting up some 500 yard games in front of Matty who doesn't know the texas system right now.

I've seen folks ebb and flow, change their minds but i have remained true to my belief way before, during and after.

I would not be surprised if Jerry Jones doesn't hopp all over Matty, Matty is better than ROMO by my grades. Matts preseason performance on this horrible Cards team only solidifies my grades too me.

Can't prove it? whiz cut his throat and bled him out, like many more players including Deuce, Lyle, Breaston and Patrick. a good HC with personell powers would have fed them a workout bonus, and left Faneca and Porter on the scrap heap at their price.

My only hope is that Whiz learns from this? He has 5 more years with complete power. It's Buddy Ryan all over again, hand picked favorites over drafted talent at a huge cost to the salary cap, or no cap numbers as it may be.

Matty is better than all but maybe 10 QB's in the NFL right now hands down, I can see that from the stands!

Does the NFL send you game film so you can create a personal rating system for each QB and their backup?