Watched the whole game, because this team didn't quit

[Jetstream Green]

Sorry, but it sucks losing but people need to take a few days before they make game comments because emotions seem to be clouding some judgement. There are some people here with level heads but this is the first time I have read posts by Mitch and do not agree with a majority of what he says. You can call it an excuse but this is the reality, this team is down to backups in numerous positions. Maybe we are cursed...injury here and injury there. Yes, Wilson missed some tackles but how many tackles did he make. Take Wilson out of the game and the defense would have looked a lot worse. Quit? Take a look at the Dave McGinnis era and you will see what a team looks like when it quits. Trash talking? Don't mind it a bit when a team has its back against the wall. Rather see them mouth off than cry or put their heads between their legs and let the Lions score forty points on them...Coach Mac's team would have easily let that happen. This team is pissed and upset with the outcome of this season just as much as the fans and if one can't see that, then I don't know what team people are watching. Some people want Green running around like a maniac on the sideline to show that he cares, never was his character win or lose. I think our two minute offense went pretty well considering the young WRs and others virtually off the practice squad trying to adjust. As far as saying Davis sucks ect... there is this great area of the forum on Arizona Sports fans which is reserved for smack talk. Drinking Cardinal koolaid, hardly, more like a twelve pack of cheap beer trying to endure the season but I do get angry when a team is called a bunch of quiters when they are not.

 

[Duckjake]

Sorry, but it sucks losing but people need to take a few days before they make game comments because emotions seem to be clouding some judgement. There are some people here with level heads but this is the first time I have read posts by Mitch and do not agree with a majority of what he says. You can call it an excuse but this is the reality, this team is down to backups in numerous positions. Maybe we are cursed...injury here and injury there. Yes, Wilson missed some tackles but how many tackles did he make. Take Wilson out of the game and the defense would have looked a lot worse. Quit? Take a look at the Dave McGinnis era and you will see what a team looks like when it quits. Trash talking? Don't mind it a bit when a team has its back against the wall. Rather see them mouth off than cry or put their heads between their legs and let the Lions score forty points on them...Coach Mac's team would have easily let that happen. This team is pissed and upset with the outcome of this season just as much as the fans and if one can't see that, then I don't know what team people are watching. Some people want Green running around like a maniac on the sideline to show that he cares, never was his character win or lose. I think our two minute offense went pretty well considering the young WRs and others virtually off the practice squad trying to adjust. As far as saying Davis sucks ect... there is this great area of the forum on Arizona Sports fans which is reserved for smack talk. Drinking Cardinal koolaid, hardly, more like a twelve pack of cheap beer trying to endure the season but I do get angry when a team is called a bunch of quiters when they are not.

It's great that you're such a die hard fan. But people used to post the exact same things on Sunday nights when McGinnis was coach. And when Tobin was coach as well. The only things that change are the names involved.

All those small victories don't make up for not getting the big one.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Amen - the first half sucked, but I enjoyed listening to the second half offense. Hopefully Huff isn't starting next week.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It's like Herm Edwards said in his press conference,his team hasn't quit.They just aren't that good because of injuries.They are playing as good as they can and they just got beat 30-3. I'm paraphrasing but people just don't know what they are talking about.A team that's down 16-0 and comes back and at least has a chance to tie the game up in the 4th hasn't quit. I don't get that people can't see that the Cards are playing backups at key positions, they are still a young team, and they just aren't that good yet. It's like people think the Cards should have 11 pro bowlers on each side of the ball and then when one goes down bring in a backup and expect them to perform at a pro bolw level. .

 

[seesred]

I was very impressed with the team in the second half, especally Warner. He was on his game. Fitzgerald WOW! The new kid number 19 WR played real well ( I think McCoy). JJ should be our starter and he showed spots of it and even blocked fairly well. Wehave 5 starters on defense out most for the season. Our defese is in trouble when you pick up your starting DE during the week. Our best position player Bertrum Berry watched this game. Our best WR Bolden watched this game. When your go to guy is your FB and you still score enough points to win if your defese wasn't so banged up.

I liked what I saw except for the first quarter. Shipp isn't having a good year, but on top of that his Dad passes away during the week. All of a sudden, had to be very hurtfull, but he was there. Unfourtanatly not in spirit. I can't wait till next week.

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[Osbern61]

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I know of the 'injuries are no excuse' maxim, and the 'injuries are part of the game' one, but at some point a threshold is crossed and they are an excuse and the IR list completely exceeds your worst expectations. I think the Cardinals, a young team with little depth as it is reached that threshold this year. Maybe the depth could have been bolstered a bit, but how much cap room did we have and who was out there that would have made a difference?

 

[Duckjake]

It's like people think the Cards should have 11 pro bowlers on each side of the ball and then when one goes down bring in a backup and expect them to perform at a pro bolw level. .

Forget "pro bowlers" I'd like to see the Cards have 11 guys on each side of the ball who consistently play like NFL caliber football talent.

And forget backups coming in and performing at a pro bowl level. It would be great to see a backup come in and perform, period. Like they occassionaly do on other teams.

The Cardinals system is flawed and has been for years. You almost never see a backup come in and do real well. That happens when you have a good system in place. Maybe the Cards will eventually develop one. I sure hope so.

 

[Ryanwb]

Who coaches tackling on this team anyway? I have never seen so many missed tackles in all my days watching this team..... it is totally pathetic to basically give up 8 yards a carry on every run. I don't even know why teams throw against us..... they could just run at us every single time

 

[conraddobler]

I go back and forth on this but at this point with the sheer number of injuries, I'd have to say we just are beaten down beyond hop.

The coaching isn't helping, if it's true what someone said in another thread that Alex Gibbs wanted to coach here and was turned down, well that's a rumor I'd like either confirmed of rebuffed because if it's true and he dosen't secretly molest collies then we screwed up.

At this point I've written off the season but would be interested to see what happens in an injury free year.

Man this team sucks the life out of you.

 

[seesred]

They have some quality back ups that are still young and need more time to develope. That being said the Kid who played the number WR spot WcCoy is a perfect example of a back up that can play at a high level. I thgought Blackstock did a good job yesterday and so did Tate. Langston Moore was doing a good job backing up and got hurt. What's new. Yesterday there were two back up WR that didn't hurt the team. When Wells went down I thought the back up did fairly well. Thayer I think his name is. You can't replace the whole starting team and expect every slot to have the sam calaber player behind him.

Last year Atlant was the pits..Why because Vick was out. The same players with Vick behind center made all those players better. Dockett needs Russel, Okiefer needs Berry. ETc. All the D line backups are hurt. How deep can you go? We have a guy playing starting defensive end that we signed on Tuesday. What do you think he was doing on Monday? Mowing lawns? Selling Stocks?

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[Cbus cardsfan]

They have some quality back ups that are still young and need more time to develope. That being said the Kid who played the number WR spot WcCoy is a perfect example of a back up that can play at a high level. I thgought Blackstock did a good job yesterday and so did Tate. Langston Moore was doing a good job backing up and got hurt. What's new. Yesterday there were two back up WR that didn't hurt the team. When Wells went down I thought the back up did fairly well. Thayer I think his name is. You can't replace the whole starting team and expect every slot to have the sam calaber player behind him.

Last year Atlant was the pits..Why because Vick was out. The same players with Vick behind center made all those players better. Dockett needs Russel, Okiefer needs Berry. ETc. All the D line backups are hurt. How deep can you go? We have a guy playing starting defensive end that we signed on Tuesday. What do you think he was doing on Monday? Mowing lawns? Selling Stocks?

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Don't have a realistic point of view.That guy selling stocks should've been practicing his swim move between margin calls. I mean,he is a street free agent but i expect Bert Berry production out of him.

 

[duckfallas]

That is the difference between Green's teams and Mac's teams. Mac's teams quit 5 minutes into the game because they knew he would slobber about how hard everyone was trying and all of that one heartbeat BS.

Green will fire your ass if you give up or don't cut it. He needs to cut Adrian Wilson RIGHT NOW!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Great Thread going here.

Hats off to all of you! Some true diehards on this thread


I also agree this team has some character which is great....but what it needs to win is some talent.

But there should not be any shock right now. The team was average to begin with and after all these injuries we down right suck eggs.

But oh well. There is always next year.


Go Cards

 

[Duckjake]

Don't have a realistic point of view.That guy selling stocks should've been practicing his swim move between margin calls. I mean,he is a street free agent but i expect Bert Berry production out of him.

"With no RB, a Saban castoff at FB, and reserves at three other offensive positions, Belichick and the injury-riddled Patriots still beat Saban's Dolphins 23-16 Sunday."

"Making his first career start on his 23rd birthday, Samkon Gado scored three TD's to give the Packers only their 2nd win of the season." 25 carries for 103 yards.

Adrian Peterson, the Bears #3 running back had 24-120-1TD.

"Ben R missed a second straight game with an injured knee, though it hardly mattered to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Their other three QB's were just fine...Batch, shaky the week before in a 20-10 victory at Green Bay in his first start in 4 years, looked smooth and polished while directing the Steelers to a 17-7 halftime lead" (OK so it was against the Browns, but still...)

If you have a good system you can plug in "stockbrokers" and kids and still win.

 

[MadCardDisease]

It's like Herm Edwards said in his press conference,his team hasn't quit.They just aren't that good because of injuries.They are playing as good as they can and they just got beat 30-3. I'm paraphrasing but people just don't know what they are talking about.A team that's down 16-0 and comes back and at least has a chance to tie the game up in the 4th hasn't quit. I don't get that people can't see that the Cards are playing backups at key positions, they are still a young team, and they just aren't that good yet. It's like people think the Cards should have 11 pro bowlers on each side of the ball and then when one goes down bring in a backup and expect them to perform at a pro bolw level. .

I agree. I thought that the offense really hung in there. Warner looked really good. The Offensive line looks better than it has in the past. This team hasn't quit.

 

[blindseyed]

I agree. I thought that the offense really hung in there. Warner looked really good. The Offensive line looks better than it has in the past. This team hasn't quit.

Yea well, I Quit!..........








K...I'm back....
I'm such a Masochist!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

"With no RB, a Saban castoff at FB, and reserves at three other offensive positions, Belichick and the injury-riddled Patriots still beat Saban's Dolphins 23-16 Sunday."

"Making his first career start on his 23rd birthday, Samkon Gado scored three TD's to give the Packers only their 2nd win of the season." 25 carries for 103 yards.

Adrian Peterson, the Bears #3 running back had 24-120-1TD.

"Ben R missed a second straight game with an injured knee, though it hardly mattered to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Their other three QB's were just fine...Batch, shaky the week before in a 20-10 victory at Green Bay in his first start in 4 years, looked smooth and polished while directing the Steelers to a 17-7 halftime lead" (OK so it was against the Browns, but still...)

If you have a good system you can plug in "stockbrokers" and kids and still win.

You're talking about 1 player having a good game playing against Miami,SF, and Cleveland.Didn't they have the top 3 picks in the draft last year.Also, it probably doesn't hurt that NE and Pitt were the two best teams in the NFL last year either.Atlanta had 6 fumbles. Why is it so hard to say that injuries have decimated the shallow talent pool the Cards have?

 

[Duckjake]

You're talking about 1 player having a good game playing against Miami,SF, and Cleveland.Didn't they have the top 3 picks in the draft last year.Also, it probably doesn't hurt that NE and Pitt were the two best teams in the NFL last year either.Atlanta had 6 fumbles. Why is it so hard to say that injuries have decimated the shallow talent pool the Cards have?

They always have a shallow talent pool because the system doesn't allow guys to elevate their games in Arizona. They almost always play about as expected or worse. The Cardinals seldom even have 1 backup have a great performance against even the Miamis,49ers and Clevelands. The Cards could have Atlanta fumble 6 times and still not have a guy rush for 100 yards. We need to see more guys do what McCoy did.

NE and Pittsburgh have been two of the best teams in the NFL because they have a system that works almost regardless of who is playing. So does Denver and other perennial contenders. That is what the Cardinals need to have.

 

[Redmark]

Sorry, but it sucks losing but people need to take a few days before they make game comments because emotions seem to be clouding some judgement. There are some people here with level heads but this is the first time I have read posts by Mitch and do not agree with a majority of what he says. You can call it an excuse but this is the reality, this team is down to backups in numerous positions. Maybe we are cursed...injury here and injury there. Yes, Wilson missed some tackles but how many tackles did he make. Take Wilson out of the game and the defense would have looked a lot worse. Quit? Take a look at the Dave McGinnis era and you will see what a team looks like when it quits. Trash talking? Don't mind it a bit when a team has its back against the wall. Rather see them mouth off than cry or put their heads between their legs and let the Lions score forty points on them...Coach Mac's team would have easily let that happen. This team is pissed and upset with the outcome of this season just as much as the fans and if one can't see that, then I don't know what team people are watching. Some people want Green running around like a maniac on the sideline to show that he cares, never was his character win or lose. I think our two minute offense went pretty well considering the young WRs and others virtually off the practice squad trying to adjust. As far as saying Davis sucks ect... there is this great area of the forum on Arizona Sports fans which is reserved for smack talk. Drinking Cardinal koolaid, hardly, more like a twelve pack of cheap beer trying to endure the season but I do get angry when a team is called a bunch of quiters when they are not.

Good to hear we made a game of it in the end. For me this was the first game I missed, either on TV or at SDS in probably the last 8 years. Went for dim sum in Chinatown with my wife and son for his birthday. Very good food and no football stress. Glad I didn't miss a rare win but I would have felt much worse to have to sit thru that 1st half down 3-19 while my wife and son went without me! Everything in perspective and that's good.

 

[Wild Card]

You're talking about 1 player having a good game playing against Miami...

Cbus:

It was a lot more than only one player that stepped up for New England. As Peter King noted in today's MMQB column on SI.com: "... the Patriots won a road division game without their starting running back, tight end, left tackle, right tackle, strong safety, right corner and one starting receiver. That's pretty good, I would say. Real good."

From the same column:

STAT OF THE WEEK I

Games missed by defensive starters due to injury in 2005: New England (5-4): 31

The Patriots are starting their fifth strong safety, Michael Stone. This figure includes Tedy Bruschi, even though he didn't start the season as a starter. The list: Bruschi 6, Tyrone Poole 8, Rodney Harrison 6, Richard Seymour 4, Guss Scott 4, James Sanders 3.​

Guess what? Coaching and talent evaluation make a difference. And the 53rd man on some NFL active rosters actually deserves a roster spot.

WC

 

[Sandan]

Or they had a stronger roster to start with so more left to cover injuries.

 

[seesred]

New England didn't become the champs in 1 1/2 years. It took time. Tom Brady didn't become Tom Brady till Bledsoe got hurt. It takes time not just 1 1/2 years after all the bad years. If we had the greatest coach to ever walk the sidelines it would take more than 1 1/2 years to fix a completly broken roster.
You can't expect Green to wave a magic wand. It takes time and some breaks. Yes, it's true we don't have the depth of the Pats, it takes time, it means holding on to the good players and adding every year. In 1 1/2 years he has almost turned this roster and now they must learn to play together. With a better place to play another draft a few more FA and some health we will get there , folks it take4s time.

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[Wild Card]

Or they had a stronger roster to start with so more left to cover injuries.

Nidan:

And where did that "stronger roster" come from? The same place every other NFL team's does. Free agency and the draft. Strange how some teams are so much more successful at identifying/ acquiring players and making them productive than others.

BTW, did you notice the name of the Pats' fifth starting strong safety? Yup, that's our Michael Stone that had five tackles and two assists against the Dolphins on Sunday. Once again, the Cardinals' trash is another team's treasure. Or starter, at least.

WC

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Nidan:

And where did that "stronger roster" come from? The same place every other NFL team's does. Free agency and the draft. Strange how some teams are so much more successful at identifying/ acquiring players and making them productive than others.

BTW, did you notice the name of the Pats' fifth starting strong safety? Yup, that's our Michael Stone that had five tackles and two assists against the Dolphins on Sunday. Once again, the Cardinals' trash is another team's treasure. Or starter, at least.

WC

Their 5th safety is their treasure I should've known that was Stone when i saw Chris Chambers wide open in the end zone. C'mon you're not really comparing the Cards roster to the reigning back to back Super Bowl champions roster are you? If you're going to use that logic, i can't arguer with you. You are forgetting the fact that Tom Brady bailed them out again and they were playing against the 2nd worst team in the NFL last year.Why don't you mention the fact that they are barely a .500 team that was blown out by Indy at home after being what some people are saying was a dynasty.

 

[Sandan]

Nidan:

And where did that "stronger roster" come from?

Time and consisent cap policy over time

Nidan:
BTW, did you notice the name of the Pats' fifth starting strong safety? Yup, that's our Michael Stone that had five tackles and two assists against the Dolphins on Sunday. Once again, the Cardinals' trash is another team's treasure. Or starter, at least.

WC

And I was just waiting for this.

Sure they strted Stone, it shows how desperate they are but in taking the expected jab at the Cardinals you missed 2 points.

First, Stone has a much better supporting cast that we do, even given their injuries.

Second and far more entertaing ...

Stone was a sometime startr and backup here. In an injury ravaged NE he is 5th string. Hardly what I call treasure.