Yeah we even had to rely on Duane Washington for a short time who then did what all our other guards did, and missed games for injury. I think what's being overlooked is just how weak our rotation was when Mikal was being asked to carry them to wins. It's not easy to be effective and efficient when 6 or 7 of your best players are in street clothes.
Is Brooklyn's rotation that much stronger?
It doesn't matter that CP3 doesn't want to shoot. He is still getting double digit assists and he can't do that without the ball in his hands. Ayton is still a big part of the offensive scheme here. There simply isn't enough balls to go around to put the ball in CP3, Booker and Ayton's hands and that's not including feeding perimeter shooters.
I really don't watch them enough to know for sure but just based on name recognition, I would think so. Although I suspect you're talking about Brooklyn just since the trade and they do seem to be about the same level as our team when we were missing Booker and others.
Yes, I was talking about Brooklyn since the trade.
Probably but I would include Mikal in that group that didn't fully recognize what he could do. But as many have said, he was already progressing towards this level his last month with us with the biggest difference after the move showing up in the free throw column.
One, you're ignoring the fact that practically everyone has been out injured this year besides mikal. There was no one to take the ball out of his hands.
Mikal scored 45 points in his third game with Brooklyn. Why did we see such swift progress in recognizing what he can do there as opposed to here?
How am I ignoring that? I specifically said that Bridges started to show signs of stepping up prior to the trade because of inury. However, that doesn't change the fact he wouldn't have had that opportunity had the injuries not occurred. These guys have and were goign to comeback. You can't compare his opportunity with the Nets to his role here. They were completely different.
Then that would indicate a fundamental lack of comprehension on offense from Monty. Again, if Mikal is capable of scoring at volume on elite efficiency, as he is doing now, it is bad basketball to not maximize his utilization.
I know that seems like a simple reaction but CP3's assists for example create high % shots. Ayton shoots mostly around the rim. Booker is efficient as well. There are ramification for a team loaded with guys like that. The Nets have no such delimna and why his opportunity is much greater with the Nets.
I'm sorry but this is silly. Mikal is scoring at higher efficiency in Brooklyn than anyone on our team with the exception of Kevin Durant. The point of offense is maximizing points per possession. If a guy is scoring on volume at higher efficiency than everyone else, the team needs that guy to take more shots, not less.
Player Efficiency Rating is based on a players per minute production. There are multiple ways to slice this (per minutes, per game, season, etc.). That's why that's hardly a be all end all reason to completely blow up your offense. Also, that production is impacted by the number of minutes a player is playing along with shooting opportunities. He would not have the same opporunity here without impacting our best players. Here is just one type of way to slice this.
Background on PER, it is not strictly a measure of scoring efficiency like we are discussing. It attempts to measure a player's overall impact relative to the "average" NBA player. It is dated and found to be flawed, which is why Clint Capela ranks above Devin Booker. Since PER's inception, a number of better advanced metrics have been developed to measure player impact.Player Efficiency Rating is based on a players per minute production. There are multiple ways to slice this (per minutes, per game, season, etc.). That's why that's hardly a be all end all reason to completely blow up your offense. Also, that production is impacted by the number of minutes a player is playing along with shooting opportunities. He would not have the same opporunity here without impacting our best players. Here is just one type of way to slice this.
Durant is #9
Booker is #22
Deandre is #38
Chris Paul is #76
Bridges #98
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That's why efficiency by itself is such a poor argument. I could show you how to slice and dice it at least 5 ways. I mentioned multiple in my post. They also can break it down by general offense, shots etc. It's simply not a good argument to blow up your system.Background on PER, it is not strictly a measure of scoring efficiency like we are discussing. It attempts to measure a player's overall impact relative to the "average" NBA player. It is dated and found to be flawed, which is why Clint Capela ranks above Devin Booker. Since PER's inception, a number of better advanced metrics have been developed to measure player impact.
The PER information you are using here includes Mikal's time in Phoenix this season. I am arguing he was under utilized during this time, so of course this would be reflected in his PER.
Since the trade, Mikal's PER is 22.5, which is exactly the same as Booker's this season. This speaks to our under utilization of Mikal.
True shooting % is what measures a player's scoring efficiency. Since the trade, Mikal's is .635. For comparison, Booker's is .604 this season. Deandre Ayton's is .616.
To be clear, I am not arguing that Mikal should've been taking more shots than Booker. I am arguing Mikal should've been a much greater focal point of the offense when he was here and used much more dynamically. He probably should've been getting by far the second most shots on the team. When Booker was out, Mikal probably should've been playing the Booker role. I think by the metric you yourself presented, this argument is supported.
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It seems like you havent watched Mikal in Brooklyn. Mikal is excelling in the mid range. When Booker was out (and just about everyone else), why did we not see Mikal playing the Booker role as he has shown himself capable?
He stepped up big time during that stretch trying to play a different role. He was getting better during that entire stretch it seemed like. He brought his average up to over 20 PPG from what I recall during that stretch but I can look it up. He was just trying to keep the lights on but we knew guys were coming back. Ayton was heavily leaned on to try and establish himself during that stretch too. Once he was traded? No Ayton, no CP3 and no Booker. Who was he going to defer to? This has been a growing process for him that would have been stunted once guys got back.
So much this. As soon as those other guys got back it would have been much the same. Which is why I said
He stepped up but I have seen players do that before during injuries. That doesn't always translate into "next star". I think it would have been more obvious had the team been healthy and Bridges was dominating night in and night out.
I agree, he looks like a different player. 3 games into his Brooklyn stint, Mikal scored his career high 45 points. Usually it takes a player awhile to feel comfortable in a new situation, so I'm not sure I buy that he didnt feel comfortable enough to excel here. What I am seeing is Mikal being used in ways that Monty never tried to employ.
Is Booker's role not more important than Mikal's? You're saying it was more valuable for the team for Mikal to continue to play his supplementary offensive role when Booker was out? That doesn't make sense.
