We can beat SF with Stanton

[Big D]

Nope... that's double the amount of times he should be passing! I want to win this game. And we can if we keep the ball on the ground. I'd be very happy with a 10-3 win, where we put up close to 200 yards on the ground and dominated in ToP! There is no need for Stanton to throw the ball 20 times... unless of course we are down big, or our run game falls apart...

What's crazy is as I was listening to an interview with BA on Monday he said he doesn't even consider those little quick hitters out to the WRs as passes- he considers them running plays.

I mean I get what he is saying, but damn, this dude loves to chuck the rock so much that in his mind he is calling a running play- that just happens to require the QB to throw the ball to the runner.

Even with a lead from start to finsh, I just don't see any BA coached offense throwing the ball less than 20 times in any game, with any QB. We might see a few more runs but he is going to take his shots.

 

[cardsfanmd]

We will lose. That is all.

 

[82CardsGrad]

What's crazy is as I was listening to an interview with BA on Monday he said he doesn't even consider those little quick hitters out to the WRs as passes- he considers them running plays.

I mean I get what he is saying, but damn, this dude loves to chuck the rock so much that in his mind he is calling a running play- that just happens to require the QB to throw the ball to the runner.

Even with a lead from start to finsh, I just don't see any BA coached offense throwing the ball less than 20 times in any game, with any QB. We might see a few more runs but he is going to take his shots.

I agree D. I don't get it... don't know why BA has to be so damn stubborn. Maybe he'll surprise us. But I doubt it.
I mean, we have nothing to prove... Heck, we don't even have home field advantage to play for anymore... at 1 & 3 and the season totally on the line, JUST WIN! It doesn't matter how.

One non-Stanton point I'll make is that it sounds like Badger is going full Badger for this game! Having him back in the box could be another major difference maker and, if BA does alter his play-calling and runs, runs and runs Johnson and Ellington all game long, I like our chances..

 

[Big D]

I agree D. I don't get it... don't know why BA has to be so damn stubborn. Maybe he'll surprise us. But I doubt it.
I mean, we have nothing to prove... Heck, we don't even have home field advantage to play for anymore... at 1 & 3 and the season totally on the line, JUST WIN! It doesn't matter how.

One non-Stanton point I'll make is that it sounds like Badger is going full Badger for this game! Having him back in the box could be another major difference maker and, if BA does alter his play-calling and runs, runs and runs Johnson and Ellington all game long, I like our chances..

I hear you 82. As far as HB goes, I just hope that he is genuinely ready to go back into the box and isn't just being the latest guy to try to play hero ball because we are 1-3 and Branch is out.

I know you go to all the games and watch individuals closely much like I do and I have yet to see the HB that we saw last year. I see the 2014 HB.

Perhaps it's a result of playing out of position and being uncomfortable with his role, but to me I just don't see any of the explosion or true sudden-ness that he plays with when he is in top form. In fact to me he looks rigid and stiff with not much fluidity to his movement.

The fact that he couldn't scoop up that fumble in BUF in like 3 attempts tells me he just isn't moving right yet. Maybe it's the brace. I don't know. I just hope his words came from a place of sincerity and not desperation. I have my doubts though...

 

[82CardsGrad]

I hear you 82. As far as HB goes, I just hope that he is genuinely ready to go back into the box and isn't just being the latest guy to try to play hero ball because we are 1-3 and Branch is out.

I know you go to all the games and watch individuals closely much like I do and I have yet to see the HB that we saw last year. I see the 2014 HB.

Perhaps it's a result of playing out of position and being uncomfortable with his role, but to me I just don't see any of the explosion or true sudden-ness that he plays with when he is in top form. In fact to me he looks rigid and stiff with not much fluidity to his movement.

The fact that he couldn't scoop up that fumble in BUF in like 3 attempts tells me he just isn't moving right yet. Maybe it's the brace. I don't know. I just hope his words came from a place of sincerity and not desperation. I have my doubts though...

Ugggh... after all these years you still are able to say the things I'm thinking, but don't want to say! [emoji6]
So yes - Badger hadn't been anywhere close to the Badger we know and love. But, I am hoping beyond all hope that once he gets back into the space he loves to occupy, the real Badger will surface.
But I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I'm skeptical and that I am very fearful of another player feeling the need to be hero...

 

[cardpa]

This thread actually has some humor to it. A lot of you are sounding like you caught TheSmelitis. Run the ball, don't let Stanton throw it more than 12 times. You have to admit it's pretty funny.

 

[Shaggy]

My keys to the game:

SIM-PLI-FY

Stanton is erratic, inaccurate and stressful to watch. If I was building this gameplan I would have a very run focused game and lots of short slant routes to our bigger receivers. Stanton can handle those. DJ and AE should get tons of carries and swing passes out of the backfield. I would focus everything here and only go deep on playaction throws once the safeties are biting. Oh yeah, dont call WR screens. Way too dangerous.

If we can rack up 150 yards on the ground and 75 yards receiving from RBs I think we can easily dismantle the 49ers.

On defense I would play just like we did vs the rams, stuff the run and dare gabbert to beat us in the air. Hopefully HB in the slot makes a big difference as far as stopping the passing game.

Great game plan, but we all know this won't happen. They will continue to play like they are playing, nothing will change. BA is to stubborn to go with something that is working because he feels the deep ball wins games, not running it. If they come out flat again on their first two offensive dives, they haven't changed.

 

[Garthshort]

Not being able to score in the first quarter doesn't help. With a new QB, most coaches would start the game with 'easy' passes. Not BA. I just got a peek at our first three scripted plays with the play's result, imo, in parenthesis.
1. Deep pass to JB. (Incomplete and almost intercepted).
2. DJ up the middle. (Gain of eight yards)
3. Delay of game penalty. (Ball moved back five yards).
4. Nice 10 yard pass by Stanton. (Floyd drops the pass).
5. Punt. (Not scripted).

 

[NJCardFan]

Well, in 2014 we did when they had Krapernick at QB and it was the year after they went 12-4.

 

[BigRedRage]

Great game plan, but we all know this won't happen. They will continue to play like they are playing, nothing will change. BA is to stubborn to go with something that is working because he feels the deep ball wins games, not running it. If they come out flat again on their first two offensive dives, they haven't changed.

I dont get these comments though, he only throws 3-6 deep balls out of 80+ plays in a game. I do want deep balls to still happen, off of playaction though once the run game is going strong.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I dont understand this board. You all remind me of Uncle Rico. "Back in high school I threw 5 TDs in a game once. We woulda won state if coach wouldve put me in, no doubt in my mind."


Stanton did OK in 2014. 2 years ago.

In the 2 years since then hes been abominable. Hes gotten beat out by 3rd stringers in preseason each of the last 2 years, but stays on the roster because papa BA wont ever cut his special little guy. Hot stank garbage.

I don't understand you either...
You seem pick and choose the stat line that you want, so I'll do the same. He is 5-3 in games he started as a cardinal, not great but not abominable either. He got beaten out by third strings in your mind only. IMO...

 

[Russ Smith]

I dont get these comments though, he only throws 3-6 deep balls out of 80+ plays in a game. I do want deep balls to still happen, off of playaction though once the run game is going strong.

To me deep balls doesn't just mean the 50+ yard bombs, it means all the plays where we're running deep crossing patterns and outs that are 18-25 yards downfield and take so much time. Yes they can be VERY difficult to defend and if you have time, they work, but we are asking a run blocking OL to pass block and we keep doing it and getting the QB hit over and over until he got hurt.

 

[JeffGollin]

Agree we need to ride on the back of DJ.

But a key to doing this is to score first and play from a lead. (It's hard to go with a ground game after you've dug yourself a hole and have to play catch-up).

This means protecting the football, not giving SF cheap points, "playing keepaway", sustaining drives, wearing down the Niner defense and putting away the game early.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, in 2014 we did when they had Krapernick at QB and it was the year after they went 12-4.

We had a much better D then and it was at home versus a road game on a short week.

I don't see it.

 

[Son of RedRage]

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[Bodha]

I don't understand you either...
You seem pick and choose the stat line that you want, so I'll do the same. He is 5-3 in games he started as a cardinal

2 YEARS AGO

not great but not abominable either. He got beaten out by third strings in your mind only. IMO...

In 2015 preseason and 2016 preseason hes been abominable awful. He did in fact get beaten out handily by both Phil Sims in 2014 and Barkley in 2015.

But Papa BA wont ever cut his own guys. See: Amos Jones.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This thread actually has some humor to it. A lot of you are sounding like you caught TheSmelitis. Run the ball, don't let Stanton throw it more than 12 times. You have to admit it's pretty funny.

Exactly. Even teams that run the ball 45 times per game, still throw it 20+. Take it from someone who has NEVER had faith in Stanton on this team.

 

[Buckybird]

I just don't think this team is focused enough to win tonight. The noose around their neck gets tighter with each mistake & each turnover. I may be wrong but I don't think will run the rock as much as most think they need to tonight for a win! BA is BA & if I remember correctly, we didn't really scale back the passing game when Palmer was out 2 years ago. The loss of CJ is a big difference tonight.

 

[WisconsinCard]

2 YEARS AGO





In 2015 preseason and 2016 preseason hes been abominable awful. He did in fact get beaten out handily by both Phil Sims in 2014 and Barkley in 2015.

But Papa BA wont ever cut his own guys. See: Amos Jones.

That's your opinion. And who do these great QBs start for now? Or what team are they backups for? And yes why not two years ago that is the last time he had reps as the starter and started games.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I can't wait until the Cards win tonight and get on a roll.

2 YEARS AGO





In 2015 preseason and 2016 preseason hes been abominable awful. He did in fact get beaten out handily by both Phil Sims in 2014 and Barkley in 2015.

But Papa BA wont ever cut his own guys. See: Amos Jones.

Wow, basing an opinion on pre-season games? According to your theory, AP has been beaten out by every RB in Minnesota's camp for years then. Logan Thomas looked good that one pre-season game. Can't believe the Cards kept Stanton over him either.

 

[kerouac9]

This.

Stanton is good enough to lead this team to a win.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Since I am the official rah-rah guy I say 20-9 cards. The defense carries us to victory, and DS although not spectacular he doesn't do anything to lose the game either.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Just saying, if they use Ellington properly on dump offs and get him in space, he will wreck all kinds of havoc on the Niners. When being used in space out of the backfield, the guy is very good... but no, lets make our 'X' factor the letter 'Y' in "why are you putting him on kickoffs and then running him between the tackles?"

 

[BigRedRage]

Just saying, if they use Ellington properly on dump offs and get him in space, he will wreck all kinds of havoc on the Niners. When being used in space out of the backfield, the guy is very good... but no, lets make our 'X' factor the letter 'Y' in "why are you putting him on kickoffs and then running him between the tackles?"

he needs to be in open space like no one is within 5 yards of him so he can run because if someone gets close lately he runs out of bounds or dives to the floor.

I was a big juke fan but im really sour on his soft play right now.

 

[NJCardFan]

We had a much better D then and it was at home versus a road game on a short week.

I don't see it.

He also won a road game @ the Jints.