we have to cut edge and trade Q during the off season

[freebyrd]

i love Q and i love his heart and what he's done for us, but you can't look at him as a wide receiver he said it himself he's a football player, he's more like a running back than anything and his best years are behind him, YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT!
i give him a couple more years maybe one spectacular one and his skill set and punishment that he has taken will take its toll, we all joke about how he's superman and no doubt he is a special player but good teams strike while the irons hot
i'd hate to see Q in another uniform but it needs to happen, we need secondary help and outside linebacker help, goodbye cheke okeafer , and laboy seems to have faded
edge...need i say more the colts did to us what we need to be doing with Q taking a hall of fame player and getting what they need to keep them in contention
i do believe that edge needs to be sharing many more carries with hightower edge knows the postseason run and he's fresh, arrington is starting to come on and i think we may be on to something here

we get picks and players for Q we free up our salary base by cutting edge
we know what we have in breaston but whatever happened to early doucet?
we need to see what sort of skill set he brings to the table

and that brings me to our sticky quarterback situation we'll never know if leinert has what it takes until the kid see's the field warners greatness is undisputed
and he'll probably end up in canton but he's no long term solution we all know that
we need a running game and some linebacker help and a corner to give drc the help he needs on the other side
i want a team built to compete year after year and doing that requires making some hard choice's throwing 40 million bucks at Q would be a bad choice in my opinion
that continues to make us a one dimensional pass oriented team, with an under achieving linebacker core and a secondary that gets burned to often

how much of the defenses problems are scheme oriented is up for debate, pendergast has been pretty predictable lately

but so has our offense the giants knew if it was run or pass just by the way the offensive line got set, grimm needs to address that and you would think he would be able to fix that

i want to see us win this division over the rams this week and get ready for the playoffs
but you know what it has been such a drought of success for this franchise that i have become greedy
i want us to compete and win this damn division for years i want records like 11 and 5 or 12 and 4 i want the number one seed i want to be a perennial playoff contender and superbowl title winner
i want that lombardi trophy and that banner hanging from UOP stadium, squeaking into the playoffs at 8 and 8 ain't gonna get it done

we need a long term plan right now and i'm not sure the bidwells have it

but thiis is best left to the off season we'll have plenty of time to debate the merritts of Q edge chike dansby antonio smith and the like

so for now LETS JUST BEAT THE RAMS AND TIE THIS THING UP!!!!!
GO CARDS!!!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

This is gonna start a tired subject here, but all of this could've been avoided had the Card just drafted Adrian Peterson (one which I havent really talked about since that Draft) and still could've brought in Hightower. Draft him and you could keep Boldin and let edge walk...

Now we need to draft a RB again IMO even though Hightower shows promise.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Nice.

It wouldn't be a full board meltdown without a "we should've drafted Adrian Peterson quote"


Edge is going to be cut at the end of the season, that is already set in stone.

Boldin is not getting traded. No need to go into why since it has been chonicled by 1,000,000 posts on this board.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I relized there IS something missing.


We need someone to start a cut Neil Rackers thread, and we will have hit all the subjects needed for a 100% meltdown.

Can I hear a "Bring back Coach McGinnis" thread !

 

[moklerman]

Rugby, I gotta give you credit. Every time I feel like disagreeing with you I look at your avatar and realize you can't be all bad.

 

[freebyrd]

say what you want but running backs which essentially what Q is with wideout speed don't have long careers and Q has taken some of the most punishing blows and flat out run over people for years now it has and will continue to take a toll on his body

he will be an average player in a couple more years mark my words

 

[Totally_Red]

I relized there IS something missing.


We need someone to start a cut Neil Rackers thread, and we will have hit all the subjects needed for a 100% meltdown.

Can I hear a "Bring back Coach McGinnis" thread !

That will happen the very next time he misses a field goal. He hasn't been cooperating because he's made several field goals in a row.

 

[SouthEndZoner]

I'm not going to give up on Q just yet. He just had an awful game at Philly, but overall he's good this season. Not that many players could have bounced back from the hit he took at the Jets game and still come back and be his old self.

 

[Metcalf Rules]

he's more like a running back than anything

maybe we should just start him at running back then.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

I relized there IS something missing.


We need someone to start a cut Neil Rackers thread, and we will have hit all the subjects needed for a 100% meltdown.

Can I hear a "Bring back Coach McGinnis" thread !

Why stop there? I'm sure we can also get a good Jake Plummer thread started somehow!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

say what you want but running backs which essentially what Q is with wideout speed don't have long careers and Q has taken some of the most punishing blows and flat out run over people for years now it has and will continue to take a toll on his body

he will be an average player in a couple more years mark my words

You are right with your thinking. Players like Anquan usually don't last long. I can't say you are not thinking straight with that.

I just don't see this team getting rid of Anquan.

 

[CardLogic]

Why stop there? I'm sure we can also get a good Jake Plummer thread started somehow!

I heard he's available...

 

[LVG]

I relized there IS something missing.


We need someone to start a cut Neil Rackers thread, and we will have hit all the subjects needed for a 100% meltdown.

Can I hear a "Bring back Coach McGinnis" thread !

Don't forget "Bidwill's suck!"

:ducksandrunsforcover:



[edit] - and nothing on Rod Graves yet? Slipping, people - you're slipping!

 

[Russ Smith]

You are right with your thinking. Players like Anquan usually don't last long. I can't say you are not thinking straight with that.

I just don't see this team getting rid of Anquan.

I'm not sure we can say that because how many players like Anquan can anybody even name? The obvious one is Hines Ward who is in year 11 of his NFL career and not really dropping off much.

The fear with Anquan is not so much the hits he takes, it's the knees. he's already had knee problems, I think he carries a bit too much weight for his size and it puts more strain on his knees. I'd like to see him drop 8-10 pounds even it means a little less muscle, just to help his knees out as he gets older.

Anquan is not a guy who depends on blinding speed or something that he's going to lose quickly I think he has a chance to have a similar career to Ward if his knees hold up.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Why stop there? I'm sure we can also get a good Jake Plummer thread started somehow!

Or Josh McCown...

 

[TJ]

Please delete this stupid thread

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Boldin might for all we know be still playing through some pain due to the injury he took earlier in the season. You don't trade or let go one of your best players, because he has a bad game or you think he might not last long. Another Arizona team made a huge mistake when they let one of their best players walk. The Phoenix Suns let Joe Johnson walk (maybe he would have anyways) and now he's one of the best SGs in the league. If you trade Boldin you are trading one of the best WRs in the league and making a huge mistake.

 

[slanidrac16]

Well, I kind of see us operating like the Steelers. They have been known to let seemingly good players walk out the door and yet they don't miss a beat. The same could be said for the Patriots.

We all would be in favor of anything that would make this team better. The next question is what would we get in return for Q?
It would have to be a blockbuster coup. Something that the Cards just couldn't say no to.
Two first round picks?
A first and second along with a clear cut starter?

Food for thought , but not at this time of year.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Well, I kind of see us operating like the Steelers. They have been known to let seemingly good players walk out the door and yet they don't miss a beat. The same could be said for the Patriots.

We all would be in favor of anything that would make this team better. The next question is what would we get in return for Q?
It would have to be a blockbuster coup. Something that the Cards just couldn't say no to.
Two first round picks?
A first and second along with a clear cut starter?

Food for thought , but not at this time of year.

The obvious temptation for me would be a CB I can believe in and one or two of the best OLs in the game. Not going to happen, so I'm not worried about it.

 

[Totally_Red]

Well, I kind of see us operating like the Steelers. They have been known to let seemingly good players walk out the door and yet they don't miss a beat. The same could be said for the Patriots.

We all would be in favor of anything that would make this team better. The next question is what would we get in return for Q?
It would have to be a blockbuster coup. Something that the Cards just couldn't say no to.
Two first round picks?
A first and second along with a clear cut starter?

Food for thought , but not at this time of year.

But the Steelers kept Hines Ward and let Randle El leave via FA. The Cardinals equivalent would be keeping Q and letting Steve Breaston leave in a couple years.

Here's the way I see it:
1. extend Boldin
2. re-sign Warner to a 2-year deal
3. extend Adrian Wilson
4. cut Edgerin James

5. If Karlos Dansby holds to his contract demands, either let him walk or less likely, franchise and trade him. He's one of the best players on the Cardinals defense, but he's not an elite player IMO. Replace Dansby with a first or second round draft pick. It's a good year to be drafting a linebacker. There are several from top programs coming out.

6. Let Antonio Smith leave via FA and replace with Calais Campbell.

 

[slanidrac16]

But the Steelers kept Hines Ward and let Randle El leave via FA. The Cardinals equivalent would be keeping Q and letting Steve Breaston leave in a couple years.

Here's the way I see it:
1. extend Boldin
2. re-sign Warner to a 2-year deal
3. extend Adrian Wilson
4. cut Edgerin James

5. If Karlos Dansby holds to his contract demands, either let him walk or less likely, franchise and trade him. He's one of the best players on the Cardinals defense, but he's not an elite player IMO. Replace Dansby with a first or second round draft pick. It's a good year to be drafting a linebacker. There are several from top programs coming out.

6. Let Antonio Smith leave via FA and replace with Calais Campbell.

Sounds like a decent plan to me except I think we could find an experienced player to replace Dansby thru FA and still draft a LB. I don't like depending on rookies to fill holes.

 

[PJ1]

Edge is gone. With Boldin I believe it depends on how we finish the season. If we limp into the playoffs and get smoked he may be used to get what we need to get to that next level. If we finish strong and win a playoff game I doubt he goes anywhere.

 

[Cheesebeef]

But the Steelers kept Hines Ward and let Randle El leave via FA. The Cardinals equivalent would be keeping Q and letting Steve Breaston leave in a couple years.

ah, but really, before Randle El, the Steelers let Plaxico go because they didn't want to pay two WRs BIG money. They kept the guy who was healthy - which actually leans more towards letting Q go like the Steelers did Plax and keeping Fitz and Breaston (who's still on a small contract for a couple years).

Here's the way I see it:
1. extend Boldin
2. re-sign Warner to a 2-year deal
3. extend Adrian Wilson
4. cut Edgerin James

5. If Karlos Dansby holds to his contract demands, either let him walk or less likely, franchise and trade him. He's one of the best players on the Cardinals defense, but he's not an elite player IMO. Replace Dansby with a first or second round draft pick. It's a good year to be drafting a linebacker. There are several from top programs coming out.

and then when we need to replace Dansby, don't we still need to replace Chike and get better on the O-line and at CB?

We're creating holes in an already swiss cheese D if Dansby leaves, while if we let Q go, the O can still be just as potent (as we've seen for the last two years when he's been out), while we can still boost the team with a) whatever we get for a Q trade and b) the money saved on jettisoning Q.

 

[Shane]

ah, but really, before Randle El, the Steelers let Plaxico go because they didn't want to pay two WRs BIG money. They kept the guy who was healthy - which actually leans more towards letting Q go like the Steelers did Plax and keeping Fitz and Breaston (who's still on a small contract for a couple years).



and then when we need to replace Dansby, don't we still need to replace Chike and get better on the O-line and at CB?

We're creating holes in an already swiss cheese D if Dansby leaves, while if we let Q go, the O can still be just as potent (as we've seen for the last two years when he's been out), while we can still boost the team with a) whatever we get for a Q trade and b) the money saved on jettisoning Q.

Whoa whoa whoa what happend to you whole heartily seconding this just about 2 to 3 weeks ago?

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1869162&postcount=7

 

[Totally_Red]

ah, but really, before Randle El, the Steelers let Plaxico go because they didn't want to pay two WRs BIG money. They kept the guy who was healthy - which actually leans more towards letting Q go like the Steelers did Plax and keeping Fitz and Breaston (who's still on a small contract for a couple years).

The Steelers let Burress go because he was a head case who has trouble with authority and locked horns with Bill Cowher. The Giants were the only team interested and look what's happened when they extended this offseason. Boldin is more reliable, plays at a pro-bowl level, and is a team leader not a distraction when taken care.



and then when we need to replace Dansby, don't we still need to replace Chike and get better on the O-line and at CB?

We're creating holes in an already swiss cheese D if Dansby leaves, while if we let Q go, the O can still be just as potent (as we've seen for the last two years when he's been out), while we can still boost the team with a) whatever we get for a Q trade and b) the money saved on jettisoning Q.

My point is that paying Dansby a lot more than what other inside linebackers makes no sense IMO. He's good, but he's inconsistent, witness the disappearance in Philly. He flashes talent, but not consistently from game to game. IMO, the money he wants is better spent elsewhere. At the right price I'd bring him back, and that price is in the Lance Briggs range, not the Calvin Pace range.

I don't have the confidence in the Graves drafting ability to trade Q for draft picks. He's liable to cough up two picks and we end up with another Alan Branch. Outside of Larry Fitzgerald(who was a Denny Green pick), the guy has reached for need and/or come up with duds in the first round. (Rolle,Brown,etc.) Boldin is a solid talent. What Graves picks in his place is a gigantic crapshoot and a too big a leap of faith for me.