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[Cardsfaninlouky]

I'm not going to make the argument that Kliff will succeed in the NFL, but there is one thing we need to keep in mind with him and that is that he is a rookie NFL coach.

Most new head coaches are simply new to being the head coach, but Kliff is trying to learn the ropes of the NFL while also implementing a system that is new to most of the players.

I think with that in mind it may take Kliff a little longer to settle in than your typical new head coach, but ultimately still needs to show some progress before the end of this season.

He showed yesterday that he is trying to figure out how to call plays in the NFL by using TE's more. I liked how they ran the ball. Alot of this has to do with talent, both the OL & DL needs to be reworked, we have no speed or depth at LB'er, a big mouth safety that can no longer do anything, not to mention both starting corners are out. Did I mention a GM whom no one trusts with 100 million in cap space to spend next off-season.

 

[gimpy]

Here's a quote from an ESPN article worrying one of the top, if not the to , who's off all time quoting one of the top, is not the top, coaches of all time, regarding a qb running,

""I was scrambling up the right side, and tried to hold on to the ball, and tried to slide late. The guy hit me and my helmet flew about 10 yards away. It kind of riled up their whole sideline," Brady said. "I remember the next day, Coach Belichick said to me -- I'll never forget this -- he said, 'Hey Brady, if you want to have a career in this league, when you're running like that, you either throw the ball away or slide!' I've kind of taken to that.""

 

[Arz101]

Exactly. Everyone should be in agreement on this.

Most expected 6 wins on this board. They are not on track. So everyone is rightfully frustrated. Expecting a 10 win team is a stretch.

Murray should pickup his game to make this season watchable. Before someone tells me Manning only won 3 games, Manning also had to 26-28 TD Interception ratio in year 1. Murray is trending towards 16-16 in that aspect.

Positive is Kliff's offense can move the ball.

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[Solar7]

I think the point in general is that you had a certain theme during the off-season and posts like that open you up to a certain criticism and come off somewhat condescending from that perspective.. so saying you being objective about the situation goes out the window. Imo. It's a message board though.. so it's all good. I'm just throwing out how I see it and others might see it.

All I was looking for in the offseason was for people to be realistic, because it was impossible to talk about the team without the Kool-Aid Man bursting in with wild optimism and poo-pooing of people who were uncomfortable with the team's overall direction. I'd say 95% or more of us are now firmly in the realistic bucket, so there's no point in beating anyone over the head with it.

Now we figure out what to do going forward, hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

[PJ1]

Most expected 6 wins on this board. They are not on track. So everyone is rightfully frustrated. Expecting a 10 win team is a stretch.

Murray should pickup his game to make this season watchable. Before someone tells me Manning only won 3 games, Manning also had to 26-28 TD Interception ratio in year 1. Murray is trending towards 16-16 in that aspect.

Positive is Kliff's offense can move the ball.

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Murray should pick up his game? What about the D?

 

[Solar7]

Most expected 6 wins on this board. They are not on track. So everyone is rightfully frustrated. Expecting a 10 win team is a stretch.

Murray should pickup his game to make this season watchable. Before someone tells me Manning only won 3 games, Manning also had to 26-28 TD Interception ratio in year 1. Murray is trending towards 16-16 in that aspect.

Positive is Kliff's offense can move the ball.

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This is where I'm coming from. Kyler's looked strong in spurts, and I can't blame him for the defense or receivers dropping the ball when its delivered accurately. But at the end of the day, this offense has struggled to succeed in the most crucial area, the red zone.

We need to find ways to actually put points on the board before I begin to call this successful or find a lot of hope.

All in all, I'm worried this wears on Kyler eventually. I see him putting the effort in out there, but there's only so much he can do... at what point does it get in his head?

 

[Arz101]

Murray should pick up his game? What about the D?

That will put us on an even better track if D picks up. Defense can also be put together next year with some FA pickups.

This franchise will crash and burn for a decade if Murray doesn't pickup his game.

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[Arz101]

Even the local guys are saying this:

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[Crimson Warrior]

He showed yesterday that he is trying to figure out how to call plays in the NFL by using TE's more. I liked how they ran the ball. Alot of this has to do with talent, both the OL & DL needs to be reworked, we have no speed or depth at LB'er, a big mouth safety that can no longer do anything, not to mention both starting corners are out. Did I mention a GM whom no one trusts with 100 million in cap space to spend next off-season.

Believe it or not, we ran the ball reasonably well yesterday. Like 115 yards or something, which was close to double what SEA had given up per game so far this year.

Edmonds has a nice burst, and pushes the pile forward pretty well for a smaller guy. He might not be a long term answer, but I'm glad he's on the roster.

Murray gashed their defense pretty good a couple of times too. He's looking more comfortable running. In my opinion, his speed and elusiveness are more in evidence over the last couple of games.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Why are you in Colorado?

Vacation!

Flippin' unreal, never been out here before

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[PJ1]

That will put us on an even better track if D picks up. Defense can also be put together next year with some FA pickups.

This franchise will crash and burn for a decade if Murray doesn't pickup his game.

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I believe for a rookie he is doing fine. I was in the don't draft him camp and can't believe how hard everyone is on him.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Whew snuck in on the under by a couple years. Everyone was saying hey if we lose it will be fun to watch or at least entertaining. I’m not entertained one bit. This offense isn’t close to being explosive and the D doesn’t even deserve to be watched. Why the hell would I put myself through watching that for 3 hours every Sunday. It’s just so frustrating to watch how many mental errors are happening. I’m just gonna keep it on redzone watch whenever they pop into the game. I have not seen one thing that makes me think this team is heading in the right direction.


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The lack of entertainment is alarming.

Bidwill should be VERY concerned.

He wanted a more entertaining team and the most entertaining game this week was Tampa Bay vs. LA.

Tampa Bay won that game, btw. Who is the coach there? And who coaches the Rams again?

Ugh. Hype/trend offenses rarely work in the NFL.

But the Cardinals are so bad talent wise right now that I am not sure I can judge the offensive system.

As for the defense, that falls on Kiem, he DESTROYED that side of the roster

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[jf-08]

Fun stat of the evening:

The Cardinals allowed their most total yards (1,670) through the first 4 weeks of a season since at least 1940.

Maybe we didn't give up more yards last year because the other team's offenses always had short fields because we were so historically pathetic???

 

[DVontel]

The lack of entertainment is alarming.

Bidwill should be VERY concerned.

He wanted a more entertaining team and the most entertaining game this week was Tampa Bay vs. LA.

Tampa Bay won that game, btw. Who is the coach there? And who coaches the Rams again?

Ugh. Hype/trend offenses rarely work in the NFL.

But the Cardinals are so bad talent wise right now that I am not sure I can judge the offensive system.

As for the defense, that falls on Kiem, he DESTROYED that side of the roster

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What is a hype offense from your point of view?

Cause it just seems like teams that don’t run out of I formation 80% of the time like it’s 1974 is a “hype” offense to you.

 

[daves]

During his six-year stretch in Arizona, Bruce Arians lost a total of 30 games.

It was a 5-year stretch. 10-6, 11-5, 13-3, 7-8-1, 8-8. And of course, 1-2 in the playoffs.

...dbs

 

[Frank The Fixer]

It was a 5-year stretch. 10-6, 11-5, 13-3, 7-8-1, 8-8. And of course, 1-2 in the playoffs.

...dbs

Bruce did a great job here. I’ll always be a fan

 

[football karma]

fun fact on the D:

the Cardinal offense has had 15 drives this season that resulted in points.

on 12 of those drives, the Cardinal defense gave up a score to the other teams offense on the very next possession -- including the last 11 in a row

 

[jf-08]

fun fact on the D:

the Cardinal offense has had 15 drives this season that resulted in points.

on 12 of those drives, the Cardinal defense gave up a score to the other teams offense on the very next possession -- including the last 11 in a row

That wasn't a fun fact....

 

[Chopper0080]

Vacation!

Flippin' unreal, never been out here before

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Where in Colorado...Denver area?

 

[conraddobler]

This is worse than I thought because now we're in a goofball situation only bottom tier teams find themselves in. We should fire the GM but if we do that we're going to eat a TON of salary, that after eating salary the last time for the whole coaching staff last year.

My gut feeling is that no one is going to lose their job because if you fire Keim then to hire a top quality GM which we need in the worst way, the top tier candidates are not going to want to keep our coaching staff more than likely heck I could be wrong but I would be very hesitant to even ask them to.

Folks that's a TON of money in salaries and yeah I know if they get other jobs etc but in the NFL?

Really?

I don't know guys I'm thinking we're stuck with this and that means Keim gets to play around with a TON of cap space in a futile hail mary where we will take every bad Oline candidate possible.

Just my opinion but this sucks.

 

[HGC]

This is worse than I thought because now we're in a goofball situation only bottom tier teams find themselves in. We should fire the GM but if we do that we're going to eat a TON of salary, that after eating salary the last time for the whole coaching staff last year.

My gut feeling is that no one is going to lose their job because if you fire Keim then to hire a top quality GM which we need in the worst way, the top tier candidates are not going to want to keep our coaching staff more than likely heck I could be wrong but I would be very hesitant to even ask them to.

Folks that's a TON of money in salaries and yeah I know if they get other jobs etc but in the NFL?

Really?

I don't know guys I'm thinking we're stuck with this and that means Keim gets to play around with a TON of cap space in a futile hail mary where we will take every bad Oline candidate possible.

Just my opinion but this sucks.

When you put it like that I think we should keep Keim. The thought of the Bidwill’s losing money is sickening to me.

 

[jefftheshark]

This is worse than I thought because now we're in a goofball situation only bottom tier teams find themselves in. We should fire the GM but if we do that we're going to eat a TON of salary, that after eating salary the last time for the whole coaching staff last year.

Wow, it’s like old home week around here lol. Section 11, Conrad and JTS sightings - who’s next Vomit Boy? Tango?

JTS

 

[RugbyMuffin]

What is a hype offense from your point of view?

Cause it just seems like teams that don’t run out of I formation 80% of the time like it’s 1974 is a “hype” offense to you.

You have posted there is "no other team in the league that runs the Air Raid", except for the Cardinals.

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So, when talking about the Cardinals offense you cannot talk about the other 31 teams. The Cardinals are the only team that runs this offense.

The success of this offense was based off "the current trend" of pass happy offenses in the NFL, and the recent regular season success of those teams offensively.

Yet, that "success" is recent, based off a few high scoring games, and by your own words not even based off examples of what the Cardinals are currently buying into.

It was based off the success of a college coach, Mike Leach. Yet, some how a sub-.500 college coach becomes an offensive guru, and an unproven offense in the NFL is going to be the "next big thing".

In my vocabulary, I call that hype because its not based on sonething tangible.

We will see if tweaks to this offense can make it a successful NFL offense, but as it is today, it is not.

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[RugbyMuffin]

I admit, it's somewhat depressing to see Arians led team put up 55 on the road against the Rams, while our "explosive" offense stuns the world with 10 points.

There is that to point out.



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[RugbyMuffin]

Most expected 6 wins on this board. They are not on track. So everyone is rightfully frustrated.

Positive is Kliff's offense can move the ball.

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And those who said 3 wins were horrible people who should have their fandom revoked!

It is not like I enjoy watching a poor team but after enduring some poor Cardinals teams you know what it looks like.

Kingsbury's offense can move the football, just not consistently and in the redzone.

Why the Cardinals hired a coach withbthe knowledge that his offenses is not NFL ready and will need a year to sort it out to be NFL ready is ...... for lack of a better term "crazy" to me.

I just continue to say, we will see, hope it turns around.

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