We may be getting a center and Q according to FOX

[cepstrum]

Got this off a respectable source at the ESPN rooms

Here is the link, please listen for yourself:

http://www.foxsports1150.com/streaming.html

If anybody has any more info, fill us in, for those that can't open link.

the said several things all boding well for the suns.

1. Clips signing Q is not a sure thing according to them. The contract put Clips in a situation where all the the money upfront would only allow them a mle. As of right now they may be leaning to do other things (they said Dampier and Crawford were both remote possibilities). One DJ (both L.A. based) said he doesn't think they match, the other guy called it 50/50. I found this real surprizing........you know I've been claiming the Clips will undoubtedly resign for the last week.

But the good part is, about 15 minutes after they said that Phoenix, Houston and Boston are talking about a 3 way trade that wouldn't go down until after the Q situation was resolved (not sure why). They said Phoenix would get their center and Houston would get an upgrade at point guard (bahahahahahahah).

They're saying possibly:

Boston sends via sign and trade:

Chris Mihm

Boston Receives:

Cash
Casey Jacobson
2nd Round Pick (Houston)
2nd Round Pick (Phoenix)

They said Casey probably would never suit up for Boston, they currently have 14 players on their active roster and would probably move Casey for a draft pick (a 4th team may be involved.....I think...don't quote me word for word)

Houston sends:

2nd Roun draft pick

Houston Receives:

Howard Eisley


Phoenix sends:

Cash
Casey Jacobson
2nd Round Pick

Phoenix Receives:

Chris Mihm

They said that without Mihm they have 14 active players on their roster and with their young ones looking pretty solid in summer league play (Banks, Jefferson, Allen, West, Perkins) they don't see paying money for someone behind Blount, a healthy Reaf at the center position.

I like it. I sure hope this is something about to happen, if anybody has heard anything from a source outside of 1150 please post it (two sources would mean there's something substantial)

Offseason:

Got rid of Eisley

Added Steve Nash (starter)
Added Quentin Richardson(great 6th man, possible starter)
Added Chris Mihm (starter)
Added a 2005 or 2006 high lottery pick.

Adding 2 starters, a great 6 man and possible starter with a high lottery pick has got to be an 'A'

It also make the Marbury trade look pretty good...

Steve Nash
Chris Mihm
Quentin Richardson
Maciej Lampe
Rights to Milos Vujanic
$10 million dollars

for

Marbury
Penny



I hope this is more than just a rumor!!!

 

[cardsunsfan]

I hope so too, Casey Jacobson has looked good this offseason though and we don't really have many outside shooters... It may actually be better if we traded Zarko if we do get Quentin. (never thought I'd say that)

 

[SweetD]

What was Mihms numbers last year? I thought he was a pretty sought after free agent a few years back??

 

[cepstrum]

What was Mihms numbers last year? I thought he was a pretty sought after free agent a few years back??

He had voskhul type numbers in slightly fewer minutes.

 

[elindholm]

The contract put Clips in a situation where all the the money upfront would only allow them a mle.

This is your first clue that the report is bogus. The Suns have only about $6 million to work with. No matter how Richardson's contract is structured, if he's a $6 million cap hit to Phoenix, he'd be a $6 million cap hit to the Clippers. It's as simple as that.

 

[SweetD]

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2003-04
Statistics PPG6.3 RPG5.40 APG.3 EFF+ 8.88

Position: C-F
Born: 07/16/79
Height: 7-0 / 2,13
Weight: 265 lbs. / 120,2 kg.
College: Texas '00

 

[sunsfn]

I have been trying to find a center the suns would trade for, and Mihm was one of those.
After resigning Blount, the Celtics had 3 centers including Mihm and LaFrenz.
They drafted 4 players and had to move someone to make some room. It was obvious they needed to get back picks instead of players.

He is young and mobile and has been in the league 4 years, so he will probably improve.


Height: 7-0
Weight: 265 lbs.
Pos: FC
Age: 25
Born: July 16, 1979, Milwaukee, WI
Drafted: 2000, 1st round, 7th pick by Bulls
College: Texas

(hope you can read this)
Averages 6.3 points, and 5.4 rebounds, 0.8 blocks, in 17.5 minutes.

YEAR G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS
2003-2004 76 17 17.5 2.4-5.0 .488 0.0-0.0 .000 1.4-2.2 .663 0.49 0.8 1.2 2.7 2.1 3.4 5.4 0.3 6.3

 

[arthurracoon]

Intresting...

 

[SweetD]

Shoots a nice high percentage and in his rookie year avg. 1 block a game.

 

[sunsfn]

Can the Rockets take on Eisleys salary, do they have the cap room. They are giving a 2nd round and not giving any players.??

 

[cepstrum]

Can the Rockets take on Eisleys salary, do they have the cap room. They are giving a 2nd round and not giving any players.??

They have that trade exception from a trade with utah a while back.

 

[George O'Brien]

If the Suns get Q, then Casey would certainly struggle to get minutes. I'm not sure how he fits into the Celtics either, but he has a very reasonable contract.

I just brought up Mihm in another thread. I don't see him as a starter, but he is certainly likely to get more minutes than Casey would if the Suns have Q. This deal cuts a minimum of $2.9 million from the Celtics payroll and puts them below the luxury tax line.

I'm still skeptical that the Suns can unload Eisley for the cost of merely Jacobsen and a second round pick. It sounds too good to be true.

 

[Biclops]

if this actually happens.... WoW

 

[sunsfn]

I would probably rather have Mihm than Przybilla.

We also get rid of Eisleys contract, but I think CJ is going to be a shooter off the bench starting this year. But, if they keep Richardson that gives them bench strength.

Mihm is going to make $3,946,455 this last year of his contract.

I would think that leaves us with some cash?

 

[Biclops]

Since Chris Mihm is a RFA if this trade actually does happen does Phoenix have any say in what kind of contract he gets or is this all done in Bostons side?

 

[elindholm]

My problem with Mihm is that he is soft and injury-prone. He does better with regular minutes, but it seems like no matter where he goes, he has difficulty earning those minutes over the long term. For the money, he's probably fine, but I wouldn't expect too much of him.

 

[George O'Brien]

My problem with Mihm is that he is soft and injury-prone. He does better with regular minutes, but it seems like no matter where he goes, he has difficulty earning those minutes over the long term. For the money, he's probably fine, but I wouldn't expect too much of him.

I don't expect huge things from Mihm, but he would be almost certain to get more minutes than Casey and Howard if the Suns get Q.

BTW, I'm not totally sure I understand how this deal works under the cap. It would appear that Mihm would have to get a front loaded contract to balance the deal: $6.2 for Howard and $1.1 for Casey.

 

[wsupkid]

I think I can be ok with this.

It fills all of the voids this off season. (We have a few tricks up our sleeves)
The best off season of the NBA so far. (I dont know how to rate the Miami HEATs off season because it putts to many open spots in the HEAT line up.) I will jump for joy IF this happens.

The wait will be worth it.

 

[elindholm]

BTW, I'm not totally sure I understand how this deal works under the cap. It would appear that Mihm would have to get a front loaded contract to balance the deal: $6.2 for Howard and $1.1 for Casey.

I might be misreading it, but I don't think that's an issue. Houston uses their trade exception to absorb Eisley's contract, and the other two teams are taking on less salary than they're sending away (which is always allowed).

The report is almost certainly bogus, however, for the reason I pointed out earlier in the thread. When the whole premise upon which a rumor is based is demonstrably false, that usually doesn't speak well for the rumor as a whole.

 

[fordronken]

At this point, I'd just be happy with someone listed at center.

 

[George O'Brien]

BTW, I'm not totally sure I understand how this deal works under the cap. It would appear that Mihm would have to get a front loaded contract to balance the deal: $6.2 for Howard and $1.1 for Casey.

I might be misreading it, but I don't think that's an issue. Houston uses their trade exception to absorb Eisley's contract, and the other two teams are taking on less salary than they're sending away (which is always allowed).

The report is almost certainly bogus, however, for the reason I pointed out earlier in the thread. When the whole premise upon which a rumor is based is demonstrably false, that usually doesn't speak well for the rumor as a whole.

This trade exemption is from the T-Mac deal? How much was that?

BTW, I realize that the part about the front loading of the Q contract is almost certainly wrong/irrelevant, do you have any other reasons to think this deal is bogus. Besides the fact that the Suns get rid of Eisley for free, I mean.

Realistically, I would not be entirely opposed to doing the deal even if Q is not signed. Yes it would leave the Suns terribly thin at SG, but there are some backup guards available cheap like Steve Smith who could play 10 to 12 minutes a game.

 

[hafey2]

The report is almost certainly bogus, however, for the reason I pointed out earlier in the thread. When the whole premise upon which a rumor is based is demonstrably false, that usually doesn't speak well for the rumor as a whole.

As my understanding of CBA goes, teams may offer saigning bonuses to FA's. The signing bonus is paid upon the signing of the contract, but for cap hit purposes the bonus is prorated over the life of the contract. That is, the Suns could offer Q a 4 million dollar starting salary with a 10 million dollar signing bonus with the bonus spread over 6 years in terms of the cap. Thus Q's strating cap hit would be 5.66 million but he would be paid 14 mil his first year in terms of cash.

This was brought up in context of Denver and the KMart situation as I recall.
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=33357

 

[elindholm]

That is, the Suns could offer Q a 4 million dollar starting salary with a 10 million dollar signing bonus with the bonus spread over 6 years in terms of the cap. Thus Q's strating cap hit would be 5.66 million but he would be paid 14 mil his first year in terms of cash.

Right, but the report is that the Clippers won't match on Richardson because the deal is structured in such a way that they'd have only MLE money left. And that is clearly wrong.

 

[elindholm]

This trade exemption is from the T-Mac deal? How much was that?

I don't know, I was just repeating what someone else said.

the part about the front loading of the Q contract is almost certainly wrong/irrelevant, (but) do you have any other reasons to think this deal is bogus. Besides the fact that the Suns get rid of Eisley for free, I mean.

No, but those are two pretty good reasons, don't you think? The third is that it does not have "the ring of truth." Usually a complicated, multi-team deal in which the home team makes out like bandits and other teams get it in the shorts are the product of fantasy (and a desire to attract an audience).

One promising reality, however, is that the Rockets really could use Eisley, if the Suns can make it worth their while. Unless I'm missing someone, their only point guard right now is Tyronn Lue, who isn't a whole lot better. I won't trouble everyone with my Juwan Howard dreams again, but I do think there is some hope that the Suns could pawn Eisley off on the Rockets while simultaneously improving the team.

 

[F-Dog]

The trade exception that Houston has is from the Glen Rice deal, and I think it's for more than $6m. It should be expiring soon, but I'm not sure exactly when.


The thing is, if this report came from Phoenix we would dismiss it instantly. The fact that it's coming from L.A. (?)--and they expect the listeners there to swallow it--makes it a little intriguing, but I'm still not getting my hopes up.

If Howard Eisley is starting at PG for the Rockets next year, I will LMFAO.