We won't win a game with mcCLOWN...

[phillycard]

I hear what your saying, but Jeez. Wouldn't you want to see a slight improvement as they progress? There is NO progression. Maybe a lot of regression. I know, I know, we played the superbowl champs. so what. We were at home and they were vulnerable to the run. We did not show ANY offense at all. Josh made some bonehead plays (several). Let me ask this: If we had the best offensive line in the league how much difference do you really think that would have made (in Josh's case)?

It would have made SOME difference. I don't care what anyone says, if you give Josh the time that Brady had, he would have been a lot more effective. It's not so easy to run an offense when on 2nd and 3rd down, you're getting your ears pinned back by cats like McGinest and Bruschi. Josh has a very strong arm, and some skills to work with. Would we have won? Probably not, but in a game we had no business being in, a little protection (and better run blocking) WOULD have made some difference!

 

[PJ1]

Maybe calling him a CLOWN isn't very nice. Sorry. But it's not nonsense to be frustrated over a horrible performance like that. If I were him (and as some others stated) anyone on that offense I'd probably have some choice words for myself as well. I bet he'd agree also. On another note, I'm not for sure it's all the offensive line's fault either. I saw some cut back lanes on some plays but Emitt was to slow to get there.

It may not be all the offensive line's fault but they were bad. Big had a holding call and a false start on him in the same series. We couldn't run at all and nobody could expect McCown to take it in himself to generate offense against a team of this caliber.

This is coming from someone who would have drafted a QB with the first pick. Just trying to be fair about this one game.

 

[OmahaCardsFan]

It may not be all the offensive line's fault but they were bad. Big had a holding call and a false start on him in the same series. We couldn't run at all and nobody could expect McCown to take it in himself to generate offense against a team of this caliber.

This is coming from someone who would have drafted a QB with the first pick. Just trying to be fair about this one game.

I know the whole offense is to blame, there were times he had time, and did not take advantage of it. This is what makes me think he really had trouble with his reads and being decisive (not hesitating). We'll see over the next few weeks if there is any progression. Right now, my gut tell's me no.

 

[AzWins23]

Wow..Some of you guys suprise me...How can you blame all this on McCown..Let's see We just played the best football team in the world, also McCown had no time throw (Offensive Lines fault) You can also blame the defense for not recovering the fumble where we had to guys right there to fall on the ball, so you can take 1 TD off the board. We played the Superbowl Champions, with a 16 game winning streak....We kept it close that's all that you can ask.....I'am going to start the season in my mind next week....I didn't expect to win the first 2 games...So next week starts week 1 for me!!! Go Cardinals!!

 

[conraddobler]

Wow..Some of you guys suprise me...How can you blame all this on McCown..Let's see We just played the best football team in the world, also McCown had no time throw (Offensive Lines fault) You can also blame the defense for not recovering the fumble where we had to guys right there to fall on the ball, so you can take 1 TD off the board. We played the Superbowl Champions, with a 16 game winning streak....We kept it close that's all that you can ask.....I'am going to start the season in my mind next week....I didn't expect to win the first 2 games...So next week starts week 1 for me!!! Go Cardinals!!

Well I am going to make it week 4 since we have to go to Atlanta and play Mike Vick with our run defense..

Now might be the time to start him in any fantasy situation, heck even in fantasy baseball, or croquet

 

[NickelBack]

Is our QB really that bad? It appears so. No offense in the NFL can possibly be that BAD. Also, Emitt is slow (way slow). Our only good play was a screen play that looked like an accident as their were no lineman out in front leading it. We lucked out on our only good play. What does that say?

Also, our defense may play hard but they still suck against the run and it won't get any better next week either. It appeared as though they didn't learn anything. Or, our players are really bad.

Did anybody notice a game plan here? Looked like last week to me.

BTW, the CBS announcers were right in their analysis of the Cards. Hate to say that! It's like we are a triple-A (or double-A) team against a pro team.

And for those who will say (and they will) "If we had boldin it could be different". I would say wishful thinking. He's a player and will help but we won't win games with McCLOWN. Sorry folks.

You obviously didn't watch the game, the O-Line are were the problems for this unit today, not McCown. Did you listen to the post-game comments by the head coach?

Nice effort, by the way, if you have to resort to the name calling to make your point.

 

[Rats]

Do we really need several threads of "Bench MCcown he sucks"? This is self serving crap from a handful of posters that wanted a bonus baby QB. This was a total offensive failure and it started with the play calling and horrible Oline play. Chris said he was at the game. Did you not see the play calling sucked. Josh ran for his life and there was no adjustment to what the Patsys were doing on Defense. The wideouts were successfully jammed at the line and got no seperation. We didn't run the ball and we only ran one screen play and it worked. The coaches have to take the blame for there poor play calling and lack of adjustment at half. No more Josh must go because he isn't your guy. Get over it. He is the QB here.

 

[blindseyed]

Do we really need several threads of "Bench MCcown he sucks"? This is self serving crap from a handful of posters that wanted a bonus baby QB. This was a total offensive failure and it started with the play calling and horrible Oline play. Chris said he was at the game. Did you not see the play calling sucked. Josh ran for his life and there was no adjustment to what the Patsys were doing on Defense. The wideouts were successfully jammed at the line and got no seperation. We didn't run the ball and we only ran one screen play and it worked. The coaches have to take the blame for there poor play calling and lack of adjustment at half. No more Josh must go because he isn't your guy. Get over it. He is the QB here.

Just cuz he's the QB doesn't mean anybody has to like it or "get over it" it as you say, everyone has an opinion, exactly why we have this board. That being said, I saw those picks he threw into triple coverage, terrible AND the O-Line was awful along with everything else, save a few decent plays. it's just that the QB is the marquee dude and the leader, so he gets the brunt of it...but the offense was just bad.
I persoanlly don't see what everyone else sees in McCown, he looked scared and lethargic BUT I am not a coach and I don't get paid to be one, so, if they see something, then ya just gotta hope he get's it going and the Cards can start going in the right direction..

 

[Canuck Cardinal]

McCown is not the problem... the problem today was the pathetic slow play of Emmitt Smith. There were some great cutback lanes that were opened up.... Emmitt appeared to see them... but was way too slow to get to them.

We need Scobeys speed to take the pressure of McCown and force opposing defenses to stop double and triple coverage of our WRs.

If we don't make this change... our WRs and McCown are going to get killed...
Emmitt Smith is no longer an NFL starter...
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[JeffGollin]

It was inevitable that McCown would regress sooner or later.

What's important is what does he do with that experience? Does he hang his head? Or does he look at it as an opportunity to learn from his blunders and use this to get better?

Let's not forget that he was up against arguably the most sophisticated defense in pro football - one characterized by false looks, mid-game adjustments etc.

And he also was playing behind a tissue-paper line of underachievers.

I hope that Kruczak spends 10 hours a day this week in the film room with Josh, analyzing "what he saw" before each snap (or more appropriately "what he thought he saw") and what he saw as each play developed (or, in fact, "what he thought he saw"). And then make sure he sees things more "accurately" and responds to them in the right way in the future.

This is how a QB gets better. It was pretty obvious to me that Josh still has a long way to go before he'll be a seasoned NFL QB. But if he has the right attitude and works his butt off, he can get there.

I wager you - there is no one on this board who feels more badly about Josh's performance than Josh. Instead of dragging him down, let's (a) acknowledge he played sucky but (b) give him our support and (c) encourage him to put his nose to the grindstone and get past these inevitable speed bumps.

And, oh yeah, PS - To all you newcomers who seemed to have popped out of nowhere to come here so you could rip the QB - welcome aboard! (Make mine a sausage & pepper sub and a cold Bud). If you're like a lot of others here, you'll hopefully mellow out over time and become wiser and more rational souls.

 

[OmahaCardsFan]

I've had some time to chill. Maybe he will use this as a learning experience. I hope he does and I hope he proves me wrong. How's that for support? This could be one emotional year with these players. However, if he can't show progress he should be benched for the sake of the team. Perform or sit? How many games should it take? 4, 6, 8 ? Same goes for the offensive line right?

 

[Rats]

Just cuz he's the QB doesn't mean anybody has to like it or "get over it" it as you say, everyone has an opinion, exactly why we have this board. That being said, I saw those picks he threw into triple coverage, terrible AND the O-Line was awful along with everything else, save a few decent plays. it's just that the QB is the marquee dude and the leader, so he gets the brunt of it...but the offense was just bad.
I persoanlly don't see what everyone else sees in McCown, he looked scared and lethargic BUT I am not a coach and I don't get paid to be one, so, if they see something, then ya just gotta hope he get's it going and the Cards can start going in the right direction..

Josh made some bad throws trying to get the ball to a completly covered Fitz today. The play calling should have had more screen passes in it today. The other thing that stuck out to me today was the swirling wind on the field. It played havoc with both QBs ability to throw the ball downfield and had several passes sailing on them. The adjustment to the conditions and the way the Pats rushed should have been made but wasn't.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Late in the game McCown forced it and got picked, but I felt sorry for him. He was completely pressured almost veery snap, he was getting the crap knocked out of him every snap, He had great pocket presence, the O-line was crap

 

[NickelBack]

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I am hopeful that one of the Mods will stop this Troll now!

 

[Red Air Force]

I don't know. Maybe I'm the only lunatic here. But that QB, isn't going to take us anywhere after 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ... games. Do I need to go on...

After 2 games, he's regressed. According to Mr. Green we could be a playoff team with him. Well, he shouldn't be regressing if he's a playoff QB. If we were rebuilding and the expectations were set that Josh needs 1 year, 2 years under his belt then maybe I'd be lighter on him. But this isn't his first year being around NFL defenses. Starting yes. He still can't be compared to rookie QB's.

We'll see how much of a lunatic I am down the road after he's benched. I'm just not confident that he can read and think quick enough to make good decisions and still move the ball down the field. And it's not going to get any easier for him with the quality of offensive players on the field with him either. I think even with a great offensive line, he still doesn't have the natural ability to think on his feet so to speak and make positive plays.

With 21 new players on this Squad, I would venture to say that we are in fact "Rebuilding".

As of right now, I'll reserve my judgement untill the end of the year. So far both of these losses were total team efforts, and cannont be laid solely on McCown. The Line was porus, the Backs were slow, the recievers didn't get seperation, and the QB did not make the best reads under extreme pressure.

Not to mention the fact that there were AT LEAST 7 dropped passes today.

When you can single out McCown's poor play as the main reason for a loss, then we can talk. Until then I want to see what he's got over thje long haul.

 

[OmahaCardsFan]

With 21 new players on this Squad, I would venture to say that we are in fact "Rebuilding".

As of right now, I'll reserve my judgement untill the end of the year. So far both of these losses were total team efforts, and cannont be laid solely on McCown. The Line was porus, the Backs were slow, the recievers didn't get seperation, and the QB did not make the best reads under extreme pressure.

Not to mention the fact that there were AT LEAST 7 dropped passes today.

When you can single out McCown's poor play as the main reason for a loss, then we can talk. Until then I want to see what he's got over thje long haul.

That's a fair assessment. It's definately not all his fault. But the mistakes made under pressure or not, were pretty embarrassing which leads to questioning his ability to function as a leader and a QB. It also makes Denny look pretty bad in his initial assessment of Josh. I mean you can understand mistakes from a rookie QB or raw QB (insert Josh), but some of these mistakes occurred more than once in one game and I can't recall any NFL offense playing on their own home turf look so bad and with virtually no chance in hell of scoring a TD. If Denny holds true to his word, changes will occur. The question is will there be those he will overlook? For the sake of saving face? This should be interesting over the next 4 days or so.

 

[Zeno]

I mean you can understand mistakes from a rookie QB or raw QB (insert Josh), but some of these mistakes occurred more than once in one game and I can't recall any NFL offense playing on their own home turf look so bad and with virtually no chance in hell of scoring a TD.

Did you see the highlights of the Tenn at Miami game from week 1? You thought our offense looked bad...sheesh.

Jay Fiedler and AJ Feeley make McCown look like Favre. Compare McCown to other QB with similar number of starts...like Grossman, Boller(both have more starts) and Palmer(less starts), also consider all of those QBs play on better TEAMs.

 

[SECTION 11]

Is our QB really that bad? It appears so. No offense in the NFL can possibly be that BAD. Also, Emitt is slow (way slow). Our only good play was a screen play that looked like an accident as their were no lineman out in front leading it. We lucked out on our only good play. What does that say?

Also, our defense may play hard but they still suck against the run and it won't get any better next week either. It appeared as though they didn't learn anything. Or, our players are really bad.

Did anybody notice a game plan here? Looked like last week to me.

BTW, the CBS announcers were right in their analysis of the Cards. Hate to say that! It's like we are a triple-A (or double-A) team against a pro team.

And for those who will say (and they will) "If we had boldin it could be different". I would say wishful thinking. He's a player and will help but we won't win games with McCLOWN. Sorry folks.

For as pointed as this is, this is horrible, horrible analysis.
McClown?? What the hell game were you watching?

More later. This is bewildering.

 

[Stout]

We had a porous offensive line, yes. McCown was getting hammered, yes.

Still, the mark of a good QB is that, in a game where you're getting pounded, when you actually get time, you take the time, make your reads, and play good football. Josh did nothing of the sort. He played like a first-day rookie out there. When he had time, he was looking run first. Or throwing off his back foot. Or not stepping up into the pocket. He was scared of the pounding and it showed. If it's not fixed soon, I'll be looking at the QBs coming out next year, wishing we had Big Ben.

 

[Scott MS]

Joke. They were playing the Pats. The Pats make the Colts look bad.

 

[john h]

With 21 new players on this Squad, I would venture to say that we are in fact "Rebuilding".

As of right now, I'll reserve my judgement untill the end of the year. So far both of these losses were total team efforts, and cannont be laid solely on McCown. The Line was porus, the Backs were slow, the recievers didn't get seperation, and the QB did not make the best reads under extreme pressure.

Not to mention the fact that there were AT LEAST 7 dropped passes today.

When you can single out McCown's poor play as the main reason for a loss, then we can talk. Until then I want to see what he's got over thje long haul.

I do not think anyone is laying this loss "totally" at the feet of McCown. A QB is probably the most important player on a team so it is important that we recognize if we have one who will make it or not. It is important that we not waste a year in deciding if this guy is any good. It should not take a year with a guy playing every down. Many or most QB's get a year or two on the bench with playing some downs as the score dictates. A bad QB can have a profound effect on the rest of the team. If he cannot perform it is very easy for them to give up the ghost and you never know what kind of team you have. One could clearly see the McCown was in way over his head during this game. His performance during preseason was very questionable. It is hard to believe that the experienced QB we have on the bench would not have done better. It may have been in McCowns best interest to work into a starting role and let our experienced guy have been the starter. We did sort of the same thing with Plummer. He had a very good game in his first start and all our expectations were based on that. McCown throws one TD at the end of last season to beat the Vikings and suddenly Green pronounces him the starter and that we will win 10 games. Fans have a right to be angry with McCown's performance. If he cannot play better than this then one of the other guys surely can do no worse. Even teams who are contenders will change a QB if one is not performing. Sit his but for a quarter at the very least if he is playing poorly. It is like keeping a relief pitcher in and letting him get pounded for 10 runs. It does not help the pitcher and it does not help the team. I am not sure what experience taught Josh in that game.