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And when all is said and done - the Wildcats and the Devils have pretty similiarly rated recruiting classes.Wonder how maotosi will spin this one.
Wed. Feb. 7 is letter of intent day
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Ratings mean only a little. I think both UA and ASU had decent classes. Mao, I know you tend to the pessimistic side, but I really think both schools have a big upside future.
Well that's new since you are usually the pessimist outside of this thread.
Most of it might be that reverse-jinxing thing right?
MaoTosiFanClub
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I hope you're right, but I just can't see either team competing with USC.
What irks me about this recruiting class is ASU and UA finishing third and fourth behind USC and Nebraska for the in-state bragging rights in a year that produced the most blue-chippers in state history. If you took the top dozen players in the state and sent six to each respective school both classes would probably be Top 25. I know Stoops isn't high on a lot of in-state guys, time will tell what Erickson thinks about the local talent.
what site has the rankings after the recruits signed today? I think I saw one where UoA was 11th overall in the nation and ASU was 43rd..
Looks good..
WR NR Trevin Wade
(Stony Point HS)
Round Rock, TX 5-11/165 02/05/2007
Arizona
DT 17 Kaniela Tuipulotu
(Kahuku HS)
Kahuku, HI 6-2/265 02/01/2007
Arizona
WR NR William Wright
(Pauls Valley HS)
Pauls Valley, OK 5-10/170/4.50 02/01/2007
Arizona
TE 3 Rob Gronkowski
(Woodland Hills SHS)
Pittsburgh, PA 6-6/250/4.65 01/10/2007
Arizona
DE NR Ron Jackson
(Creekview HS)
Carrollton, TX 6-3.5/225 01/10/2007
Arizona
DE 20 Apaiata Tuihalamaka
(Junipero Serra HS)
Gardena, CA 6-4/225/4.55 12/18/2006
Arizona
MLB JC Vuna Tuihalamaka
(El Camino)
Torrance, CA 6-1.5/230 12/18/2006
Arizona
DE 27 LeVar Brown
(Lamar HS)
Houston, TX 6-3/239/5.10 12/14/2006
Arizona
CB JC Marquis Hundley
(Santa Rosa)
Santa Rosa, CA 5-10/175 12/10/2006
Arizona
RB 42 Joseph Reese
(Hendrickson HS)
Pflugerville, TX 6-1.5/175/4.56 11/27/2006
Arizona
K 13 Alex Zendejas
(Ironwood HS)
Glendale, AZ 6-0.5/170/4.90 11/23/2006
Arizona
RB 99 Nicholas Grigsby
(St. Paul HS)
Santa Fe Springs, CA 5-11/190/4.60 06/19/2006
Arizona
WR NR David Roberts
(Rancho Cucamonga HS)
Rancho Cucamonga, CA 6-1/175/4.50 06/14/2006
Arizona
WR NR Devin Veal
(Buena HS)
Sierra Vista, AZ 6-1/175/4.62 06/14/2006
Arizona
DT 72 Hans Philipp
(Arroyo Valley HS)
San Bernardino, CA 6-1/282/4.88 06/13/2006
Arizona
QB NR Bryson Beirne
(Mid Pacific Institute)
Honolulu, HI 6-3/215/4.85 06/13/2006
Arizona
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I dont know if Tuihalamaka or Tuihalamaka are from HI, but their names sure suggest it..
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Your QB you have highlited threw for a whopping 7 TD's and 14 INT's in his senior year. You might want to unbold that. Apaiata Tuihalamaka is by far the best prospect in your class. Many are sold on Gronkowski but I'm skeptical. He only had 8 catches in his senior year....... You better be hoping his QB was really bad
Any clown who has uofas class ranked 11th doesn't know a thing about college football. Scout.com has ASU's class ranked 38th and uofas 49th, I'd say that's very accurate.
The star system is a complete waste of time and I never base opinions off of it. I don't talk any trash saying a class is better then anyone elses based on the stars next to someones names. Derek Hagan was a 1 star who was ready to walk on at UNLV until Koetter gave him a last second scholi and he ended up being one of the PAC-10's best WR. The star system was further exposed this recruiting season. Erickson went and found several players that didn't get any attention until he started recruiting them. They were all 1 or 2 star players and once they comitted to us, we're all turned into 3 or 4 star players. Just shows how much a joke the star system is. I have been very vocal on how uofa fans have thrown the "star" card at ASU each of the past 3 offseasons and it's for good reason. Koetter was able to find 2 and 3 star talent and turn them into great system players (primarily on offense, he had no clue on defense). Erickson seems to have done the same thing in a very short period of timee but has got better talent where we needed it more. He has recruited SPEED SPEED SPEED on the defensive side of the ball, something Koetter never thought of. DE also addressed the OL and CB problems with what seems to be very good talent. I'm impressed by how well Erickson did and I can't wait to see what he'll do in a full year.
Immediate contributors that may even start- Morris Wooten (MLB), Pou'u Palelei (OG), Omar Bolden (CB, higlight of signing class), Luis Vasquez (DE), the two WR's TJ Simpson and Kerry Taylor. The two new QB's (Stangel and Szakacsy) are great QB's we from all accounts will get a shot this fall to be the starter. I expect Rudy to be the starter since he is comfortable in the shotgun (played in it in high school) and has good mobility, both musts in Ericksons offense. Tello and Gerhart are great OL who will be starters in '08 or even next year if there are injuries.
Erickson said the biggest sleeper in this class is Dan Knapp, TE out of Reno. Said he played for a small school and didn't get a lot of recruiting attention. One of the best blocking TE's he's seen but needs to develop his route running.
Any clown who has uofas class ranked 11th doesn't know a thing about college football. Scout.com has ASU's class ranked 38th and uofas 49th, I'd say that's very accurate.
The star system is a complete waste of time and I never base opinions off of it. I don't talk any trash saying a class is better then anyone elses based on the stars next to someones names. Derek Hagan was a 1 star who was ready to walk on at UNLV until Koetter gave him a last second scholi and he ended up being one of the PAC-10's best WR. The star system was further exposed this recruiting season. Erickson went and found several players that didn't get any attention until he started recruiting them. They were all 1 or 2 star players and once they comitted to us, we're all turned into 3 or 4 star players. Just shows how much a joke the star system is. I have been very vocal on how uofa fans have thrown the "star" card at ASU each of the past 3 offseasons and it's for good reason. Koetter was able to find 2 and 3 star talent and turn them into great system players (primarily on offense, he had no clue on defense). Erickson seems to have done the same thing in a very short period of timee but has got better talent where we needed it more. He has recruited SPEED SPEED SPEED on the defensive side of the ball, something Koetter never thought of. DE also addressed the OL and CB problems with what seems to be very good talent. I'm impressed by how well Erickson did and I can't wait to see what he'll do in a full year.
Immediate contributors that may even start- Morris Wooten (MLB), Pou'u Palelei (OG), Omar Bolden (CB, higlight of signing class), Luis Vasquez (DE), the two WR's TJ Simpson and Kerry Taylor. The two new QB's (Stangel and Szakacsy) are great QB's we from all accounts will get a shot this fall to be the starter. I expect Rudy to be the starter since he is comfortable in the shotgun (played in it in high school) and has good mobility, both musts in Ericksons offense. Tello and Gerhart are great OL who will be starters in '08 or even next year if there are injuries.
Erickson said the biggest sleeper in this class is Dan Knapp, TE out of Reno. Said he played for a small school and didn't get a lot of recruiting attention. One of the best blocking TE's he's seen but needs to develop his route running.
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MaoTosiFanClub
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Considering you have seen probably zero of these guys play, I'm curious as to how you would know who's a sleeper and who's not and where recruiting classes belong to be ranked? Unless you're going off of what those supposedly fraudulent recruiting websites are saying.
I'm confused as to your stance. You insist these recruiting websites are garbage, yet you put stock in the ranking of one of their team recruiting rankings and suggest that Erickson is getting better talent. You've said the star system is a joke, yet you point to some ASU players getting more stars as an indicator that they are a sleeper. If the system you think is useless is, then none of us have any clue who will have a good class and who does not until these guys graduate.
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devilfan02
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I follow college football recruiting year-round and am a member of scout.com. They have video (usually multiple game videos) of nearly every prospect so I get to watch plenty of tape on prospects whether their ASU commits or not. The recruiting websites are not fraudulent, there are plently of useful resources there to base your own opinion of players. I have indeed never seen any of these guys play first hand so feel free to pass by my posts if that's your sole requirement for judging talent.
Both ASU and uofa have decent classes but there are differences. IMO, ASU signed more players that have the opportunity to be impact players more quickly. ASU also doesn't have as many holes as uofa which factors into my decision. The few holes we had seem to have been filled by the prospects who are ready to contribute next year (Wooten, Vasquez, Bolden, Polelei). This is why I said that Scouts ranking which has ASU's class slightly ahead of uofas is accurate.
By the way, I didn't say anyone was a sleeper. I said Erickson noted that Dan Knapp was the sleeper of our class.
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Where did you see Omar Bolden make his commitment is there a website you saw it at?
Where did you see Omar Bolden make his commitment is there a website you saw it at?
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We could sit here for days and swap posts about how this five star guy was a bust and this one star guy, or walk on, turned out great. But, there's a reason why pretty much the same programs are pretty much on top every year. They are always in the top ten of the lists because they get more of these "meaningless" five-star and four-star guys. I think that means the probability of hitting on a good player is better the more higher rated guys you get.
I think both ASU and UofA did okay. I'd have to say ASU did better considering they had to weather a coaching change which usually hurts recruiting for a year. But, this time, I think we did better than we would've had we stayed the course.
But, USC kicked ass. When ASU or UofA can beat Carroll for a great player like Everson Griffen, on their own turf, maybe then they can seriously challenge the Trojans.
I think both ASU and UofA did okay. I'd have to say ASU did better considering they had to weather a coaching change which usually hurts recruiting for a year. But, this time, I think we did better than we would've had we stayed the course.
But, USC kicked ass. When ASU or UofA can beat Carroll for a great player like Everson Griffen, on their own turf, maybe then they can seriously challenge the Trojans.
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He committed on national tv (Fox Sports West) during a signing show. I watched it, he almost gave me a heart attack. All week it's been known that it would come down to ASU, USC, and Ore St.. USC offered him this past weekend, he's from the LA area, so it had me very worried. I pretty much thought it would come to ASU and USC.
On the TV show, they come back for Boldens announcement which was the last one because he was the biggest prospect to announce on that particular show. When they cae back from commercial, he's sitting behind a table with a Washington hat, USC hat, and a Oregon St hat all in front of him. There was no ASU hat in sight..... Hat by hat he knocked them all of the table, stood up and pulled an ASU hat from his back pocket, and said "I'm gonna be a Sun Devil!" I thought for a full minute that he wasn't gonna pick us because there was no ASU hat on the table, I was stunned.
This kid is LEGIT! He was clocked with an official 4.37 40 at the USC combine and rushed for 2000 yds and 30+ td's his senior year. He will play CB for the devils and I wouldn't be surprised if he returns kicks and punts as well. He can also fill in at RB if needed. As a CB, he was a complete shutdown defender who dominated the high school level. It's easy to say he's our biggest CB signing in a long time.
Here's a link-
http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=43&p=2&c=617212
^Its a damn good thing ASU nabbed him, having a good secondary is so important in this conference, ASU has been getting torched in recent years under Koetter, hopefully this will change.
Regarding Mao's comments about in state recruits, Erickson said in his presser that he feels like keeping Arizona kids home is extremely important- could just be lip service, but I hope he means it. He talked about how Arizona's population is growing and there will be more and more quality kids coming from Arizona in upcoming years. Has Stoops ever actually made comments about not wanting in state kids, or has it just been his recruiting habits that show its low on his priority list?
Regarding Mao's comments about in state recruits, Erickson said in his presser that he feels like keeping Arizona kids home is extremely important- could just be lip service, but I hope he means it. He talked about how Arizona's population is growing and there will be more and more quality kids coming from Arizona in upcoming years. Has Stoops ever actually made comments about not wanting in state kids, or has it just been his recruiting habits that show its low on his priority list?
LOL. I hope someone puts that clip on youtube or something.
This is good news...the guys on the radio yesterday afternoon were making a pretty big deal of him and I'm glad ASU got him.
Can't have too many guys named Boldin/Bolden in the Valley.
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Just look at this years in-state talent-
Everson Griffin, DE (#1 DE and #1 overall prospect in the country by Scout.com). Signed with USC
Krisopher O'Dowd, #1 C in the country. Signed with USC
Jaivorio Burkes, one of the best OT in the country. Signed with Nebraska
Prince Amukamara, AZ Big School player of the year and legit RB prospect. Signed with Nebraska
Marcel Jones, legit OT. Signed with Nebraska
William Yancy, DE prospect with major upside. Signed with Nebraska
There are several other very good prospects that left AZ this year and that has to stop.
Erickson made a huge point of stressing the need to keep in state talent at ASU. There are some very good AZ prospects in the 2008 class that I'm sure Erickson will make a priority of signing. What I like the most about Erickson is he isn't scared to recruit anyone. Koetter wouldn't attempt to go after big time prospects and Erickson will. Thats the difference between going to the Hawaii/insight Bowl and going to the Holiday/Rose Bowl.
Bolden is one of the best CB recruits in the country and is exactly what ASU needed. Our secondary has been littered with 5'8, 160lb CB's for years that had no clue how to play football. Bolden brings us a physical CB with legit 4.37 speed. The guy will be impressive and will start this fall. Write it down
Nebraska? USC fine, but Nebraska? Sheesh.
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Pleasantly surprised at the class DE was able to put together in such a short amount of time. It looks like there are a bunch of recruits that will be able to help the team in the very near future.
Also surprised that UA didn't get a single O-lineman. Stoops sounded a little upset during a radio interview yesterday, and I'm guessing this must be why. Were there some guys he was expecting letters from that fell through at the last minute?
Also surprised that UA didn't get a single O-lineman. Stoops sounded a little upset during a radio interview yesterday, and I'm guessing this must be why. Were there some guys he was expecting letters from that fell through at the last minute?
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Nebraska also signed the best JUCO CB in AZ (Armando Murrillo) and a WR project that has upside from Saguaro HS (Eric Hagg). Neb signed 6 AZ prospects total. Jaivorio Burkes was a huge loss for ASU and will be a great OT in college and will be drafted if he stays healthy
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Agreed. Hopefully, when given a full year to recruit, he can keep some of the bigger names in-state. And with his name recognition, and his relationships with coaches all over the country, snagging blue chippers from other states will be a much more prevalent occurence than under Koetter.
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DE and staff made a mad rush at two Norco, CA linemen that were verbals to Colorado in the last 3 weeks of recruiting. Teammates Garth Gerhart (#7 center in the country) and Adam Tello (36th best OG in the country) both ended up rescinding on their verbal to Colorado and signed with ASU yesterday which was HUGE. It was also great because it directly affected UofA as Sione Tau (OL from Hawaii) decommitted and signed with Colorado. The Buffs badly needed an OL after Tello and Gerhart signed with us so they plucked Tau from the scats.
uofa actually had quite a few guys decommitt and it left Stoops with 4 unused scholarships. It also resulted in a tirade last night in which he said the decommits had "no character, no conscience, and they won't last at the next level." Nice. 17 year old kids decommiting happens to nearly every school every recruiting year, Stoops. Quit acting like Weis, take your lumps and move on. You only look like an idiot by once again acting like a little baby
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LOL. I hope someone puts that clip on youtube or something.
This is good news...the guys on the radio yesterday afternoon were making a pretty big deal of him and I'm glad ASU got him.
Can't have too many guys named Boldin/Bolden in the Valley.
I have been trying to find a clip but I can't find one. If anybody else finds one let me know.
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I'll try to find a clip. It's classic, had me on the verge of death when he didn't have an ASU hat on the table. Just imagine Pete Carrol watching the show and seeing no ASU hat on the table.... The dork probably started jumping up and down cause he thought USC was the clear winner. Bolden even almost put the SC hat on but threw it about 10 feet saying "I ain't gonna be no Trajan!"
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Erickson and staff have already offered 20 players in next years class. He said so at the signing day banquet last night. Not sure yet who they are but he said his first priority is in-state guys and their are some great prospects in next years class. Some to look for are-
Zack Schlink, OT, Centennial HS.
Dion Jordan WR/TE Chandler HS
Ray Polk RB, Brophy
Covaugn DeBoskie RB, Hamilton HS
Gerell Robinson Ath, Hamilton HS
Zack Schlink, OT, Centennial HS.
Dion Jordan WR/TE Chandler HS
Ray Polk RB, Brophy
Covaugn DeBoskie RB, Hamilton HS
Gerell Robinson Ath, Hamilton HS
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Getting Bolden was a coup. Signing a 38th ranked class in such a short period of time was an amazing accomplishment. Erickson will have ASU in the top 20 in two years and in the top 10 by year 3, maybe sooner, in my opinion.
I feel for Stoops because he only recruited 2 olinemen and they screwed him over. devilfan02, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect high school seniors to behave with class and honor their commitments.
I feel for Stoops because he only recruited 2 olinemen and they screwed him over. devilfan02, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect high school seniors to behave with class and honor their commitments.
