Week 11 Heroes and Goats

[kerouac9]

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This team is stinky and joyless to watch.

 

[Dback Jon]

Coaching has to be a goat.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Goat = Team Leaders.

Team folded like a chair right after the bad snap in the redzone.

Don't know why the run before wasn't challenged, DJ looked in the end zone to me.

Whatever, seasons over.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

DJ has to be a hero as well. Might as well keep him in there every week.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I'm rewatching the game now and DJ is doing well - and K9, I found a couple of good run blocks - one is 2nd & Goal in the 2nd quarter and he drives his guy 5 yards downfield, along with Iupati taking his 4 yards.

Now Shipley gets driven backward and into D Johnson by his defender and basically prevents the TD with his terrible blocking...but DJ looked good at least

 

[Dback Jon]

Ellington is a GOAT

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Ellington is a GOAT

The irony is that our blocking seems to fit someone like Kerwynn more than Ellington this year. You lose some of the receiving threat, but Palmer and Ellington have no chemistry anyways.

 

[Dback Jon]

The irony is that our blocking seems to fit someone like Kerwynn more than Ellington this year. You lose some of the receiving threat, but Palmer and Ellington have no chemistry anyways.

How many times did Ellington run a route different than Palmer thought he was?

3-4 times Sunday?

 

[b8rtm8nn]

How many times did Ellington run a route different than Palmer thought he was?

3-4 times Sunday?

I only saw one blatant one - a second looked like a terrible throw by Palmer, 3 yards in the dirt. The rest are hard to tell if it is timing, mis-run route or pressure on Palmer impacting everything.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Agree with your heroes and would add the obvious choice of DJ as well...
As for goats, seriously...where to begin and end... But at this stage, I'm all for seeing Brandon Williams back at CB.
As for Palmer - given that he has a millisecond to breathe after he takes the snap, coupled with the fact that he has a cadre of wideouts who don't know how to run routes and have proven incapable of being reliable pass-catchers, I find it very difficult to come down too harshly on him. My gut is that his ability has dropped off... but not nearly as much as the optics would suggest. He is way more of a victim of putrid talent in the most critical positions needed for a QB to be successful. I mean, let's face it - while they share the same number, Palmer is no Russell Wilson...

 

[john h]

Agree with your heroes and would add the obvious choice of DJ as well...
As for goats, seriously...where to begin and end... But at this stage, I'm all for seeing Brandon Williams back at CB.
As for Palmer - given that he has a millisecond to breathe after he takes the snap, coupled with the fact that he has a cadre of wideouts who don't know how to run routes and have proven incapable of being reliable pass-catchers, I find it very difficult to come down too harshly on him. My gut is that his ability has dropped off... but not nearly as much as the optics would suggest. He is way more of a victim of putrid talent in the most critical positions needed for a QB to be successful. I mean, let's face it - while they share the same number, Palmer is no Russell Wilson...

I agree with your assessment. Palmer has to be one tough QB to take so many hits. Some of our receivers run wrong routes. Some routes are dictated at the line based on how the defense lines up. Palmer & these receivers do not see the same thing leading to no completions. I tend to go with Palmer making the right reads.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Palmer is a little off this year though - I thought it was great that they showed the flip for the Cards-Falcons from last year to this year.

Last year, Matt Ryan had a down year - lots of interceptions and fumbles and they ended up 8-8; this year it is Carson. Besides all the receiver and OL issues, Carson is also throwing short on his long ball - 2 passes yesterday were about a yard or so short, so I can't blame Floyd for not being able to bring those down when he has to go through a defender to do so. Last year that wasn't the case, and it makes a big difference even if only 50% of those are successful.

 

[cardncubfan]

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This team is stinky and joyless to watch.

Powers was never a leader on this team & he admitted as much on All for Naught.

 

[JeffGollin]

Heros = DJ and Fitz. (Participation Trophy - C Palmer & the OL, because Carson had to limit his throwing options to compensate for pass pro weaknesses and the OL played gritty & did OK considering that they had different dudes at 3 positions).

Goats = Cardinals' secondary (atrocious tackling; lost in space trying to cover Gabriel on inside screens). Shipley (penalties, missed blocks, high snap). BA (was outcoached tactically by Quinn).

 

[Stout]

How was Humpty Dumpty in this one? I'm heartened that at least he's not on the goats list.

 

[WildBB]

Secondary was atrocious really. Peterson was playing his tail off but his tackling has cost this team. A few good plays but Ryan really exposed the unit, particularly in their RAC liabilities.

 

[Russ Smith]

To me it depends on if you focus on the entirety of the game, guys who hurt the team over and over, or if you focus on certain key plays that had huge impacts on the game.

As BA said the game basically came down to 3 drops, and then he only mentioned the 2, the Swearinger INT and the Floyd 4th down catch.

INT's get dropped all the time, that's usually why someone is a DB not a WR, but as I said in the gameday thread dropped INT's seem to always lead to TD's and that one did. He wasn't going to score on that one someone would have caught him but he had a running start on that one he could have given us great field position and instead they score a TD a few plays later.

And the Floyd one, again not a TD, but was a first down move the chains and instead they got the ball. Those kind of plays are so demoralizing you roll the dice, the ball is right there for the first down and the guy drops it.

I assume the 3rd one was a Nelson drop but BA didn't elaborate.

Minter should essentially be on this list every week he simply can't cover at all. I commented in the game thread how they were running a ton of misdirection both to slow the pass rush and take advantage of our overpursuit. Minter got fooled repeatedly, they were still able to run a successful reverse, and the WR screen worked too.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Minter should essentially be on this list every week he simply can't cover at all. I commented in the game thread how they were running a ton of misdirection both to slow the pass rush and take advantage of our overpursuit. Minter got fooled repeatedly, they were still able to run a successful reverse, and the WR screen worked too.

Agreed - Bucannon has the same issue with over pursuit or committing to the wrong person early. A couple of times in the Falcons game, both of them pursued on the same side - so they can't even get their communication straight and they have played together all of last season. Not certain who is to blame since we don't know the play call, but I'm pretty sure both of them make these types of mental mistakes regularly.

 

[Chopper0080]

Agreed - Bucannon has the same issue with over pursuit or committing to the wrong person early. A couple of times in the Falcons game, both of them pursued on the same side - so they can't even get their communication straight and they have played together all of last season. Not certain who is to blame since we don't know the play call, but I'm pretty sure both of them make these types of mental mistakes regularly.

This is an issue with Minter, Bucannon and Markus Golden. I just don't know if Minter is out of position because he sucks or because he is out of position.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Agree 100% on the crying about penalties. Losers mentality. Shut up and move on, just like with injuries.

Don't agree on Palmer. He is taking a beating, and standing in there like a champ. Putting him on a goat list when he's one of the few that just keep plugging along is incorrect.

 

[JeffGollin]

How was Humpty Dumpty in this one? I'm heartened that at least he's not on the goats list.

Who he?

Also - Nice to. see John H peppy and posting.

 

[CardNots]

Carson is also throwing short on his long ball - 2 passes yesterday were about a yard or so short, so I can't blame Floyd for not being able to bring those down when he has to go through a defender to do so. Last year that wasn't the case, and it makes a big difference even if only 50% of those are successful.

On the money.

 

[Jetstream Green]

On the money.

A lot of those passes are short because he does not have time to throw the ball or step up in the pocket... our OL has not helped him with the offense Arians keeps wanting to run