Well coached game with one exception

[CardShark]

Fox shouldn't have gone for two. That changed the game. If he would have kicked the extra points, the Patriots would not have gone for two and would have been down by three when they were making their final drive. Their field goal would have sent it to overtime.

 

[arthurracoon]

 

[slinslin]

The Patroits would have gone for 1 and would have been down by 2 on their final drive or am I not counting right? 1 more for Carolina, 1 less for NE.

Also I thought the refs might have missed an obvious call against the defense on the 2pt conversion of Carolina.
And another one when one of the Panthers was running for the long pass and got contact before the catch from at least 2 Pats.

Should have been interference or illegal contact.

I also didn't think the Pats should have gotten a first down when they reviewed that play. The ball definately didn't look like he was moved over the first down line.

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by slinslin
The Patroits would have gone for 1 and would have been down by 2 on their final drive or am I not counting right? 1 more for Carolina, 1 less for NE.

Also I thought the refs might have missed an obvious call against the defense on the 2pt conversion of Carolina.
And another one when one of the Panthers was running for the long pass and got contact before the catch from at least 2 Pats.

Should have been interference or illegal contact.

The Panthers went for 2 twice. They missed both times. Thus 2 morefor CAR and 1 less for NE.

 

[CardShark]

Originally posted by slinslin
The Patroits would have gone for 1 and would have been down by 2 on their final drive or am I not counting right? 1 more for Carolina, 1 less for NE.

Also I thought the refs might have missed an obvious call against the defense on the 2pt conversion of Carolina.
And another one when one of the Panthers was running for the long pass and got contact before the catch from at least 2 Pats.

Should have been interference or illegal contact.

The Panthers went for two twice, failing on both. That would have been 2 points missed. The Patriots went for it once and made it, making it a 3 point swing. The Panthers went for it the first time when they were down by 5. Add in the extra point and they are down by 4. They score the next TD and extra point and they are up by 3.

 

[vikesfan]

He went for 2 too early in the game there was too much time left - that was the error I guess he didn't have confidence in his offense. Then he had to go for it the 2nd time. And when NE scored they went for it cause there was no penalty for them in doing so only reward.

 

[Stout]

No, he made the correct calls. Going for 1 wouldn't have made sense because it wouldn't have made a difference one way or the other. Going for 2 would have, had they made it. It just so happens another similar situation came up. Oh well.

 

[vikesfan]

21 to 16 you don't go for 2 with 8 minutes left too much can happen in that amount of time.

What if there were 20 minutes left?
Or 40 minutes. It depends how much time is left.

With 8 minutes it doesn't make sense. The Panthers were bottled up pretty well all game maybe he thought they wouldn't get close for a TD again. He was wrong they scored another TD and then they had to go for it to make up for the first miss.

 

[TRW]

I think the last timeout that the Panthers took was the biggest mistake of the game. They needed to continue the drive and run the clock. They left the Pats way too much time after they scored.

My son and I both thought it was a stupid move when the timeout was called. Other than that I thought it turned into a pretty good football game (I was rooting for the Panthers).

For a Superbowl I had no overwhelming allegance to one team or the other I really enjoyed it. Wouldn't it be great to see the Cardinals....oh, never mind!

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't think there were any coaching mistakes -In the end it was which team executed better on specific plays.

 

[phinius]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
I don't think there were any coaching mistakes -In the end it was which team executed better on specific plays.

Right on Jeff.

Phinius, the oldtimer

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by vikesfan
He went for 2 too early in the game there was too much time left - that was the error I guess he didn't have confidence in his offense. Then he had to go for it the 2nd time. And when NE scored they went for it cause there was no penalty for them in doing so only reward.

I agree. Panthers went for 2 too early. As Phil Simms said at the time, you don't go for 2 until you have to. At that time, I didn't think Carolina had to.

Obviously, Fox thought differently.

But it was a great game, and both teams' fans can be proud of their teams today.

 

[Southpaw]

Originally posted by Stout
No, he made the correct calls. Going for 1 wouldn't have made sense because it wouldn't have made a difference one way or the other. Going for 2 would have, had they made it. It just so happens another similar situation came up. Oh well.

Simms decided to beat this one to death and I still don't buy his logic. 2 gets you to field goal opportunity , 1 is like kissing your sister. Now, I hear the 2nd guessers. If it had worked , I think Simms would have been embarassed. They might have been saying, now they only need a FG to tie. It's not like it was a spontaneous decison. We all know there is a " Magical Situation Chart" for these decisions, and every coach in the NFL has the same one. Designed by the Rand Corp.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
I don't think there were any coaching mistakes -In the end it was which team executed better on specific plays.

You sound like Davey Mac. It's never the coach's fault.

I, for one, disagreed with Simms. You have to go for 2 there. There's no reason to think that both Ds would loosen up the way that they did. You have to take that chance, because in the Super Bowl, there's no tomorrow.

 

[Stout]

Kerouac, Wally...exactly. Hindsight is 20-20. You go for 2 to close to within a field goal. If something happens to make that look bad, well, it happens. That's just the nature of the beast. If not, you look like a genius. Simple. It didn't work, but that didn't mean it was the wrong choice at the time. It just means Fox can't read the future.

 

[Southpaw]

Originally posted by Stout
It just means Fox can't read the future.

Neither can CBS.

 

[conraddobler]

The ultimate gutsy move would have been to run more clock and not take the timeout when the Panthers got to the ten or so and go for two to win the game.

At that point in time I would have done if the team was for it.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't think there were any coaching mistakes -In the end it was which team executed better on specific plays.
You sound like Davey Mac. It's never the coach's fault.
There's a difference between saying that most or all the time and saying it only when it applies. Bonehead coaching mistakes have been part of football since they invented it.

I just don't think this was the case in yesterday's Super Bowl.

It just means Fox can't read the future. Neither can CBS.
Which reminds me, does anyone here agree with me that, among FOX, ESPN and CBS - the CBS coverage of the NFL is the lamest?

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Which reminds me, does anyone here agree with me that, among FOX, ESPN and CBS - the CBS coverage of the NFL is the lamest?

No doubt!!!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
I don't think there were any coaching mistakes -In the end it was which team executed better on specific plays.
You sound like Davey Mac. It's never the coach's fault.
There's a difference between saying that most or all the time and saying it only when it applies. Bonehead coaching mistakes have been part of football since they invented it.

I just don't think this was the case in yesterday's Super Bowl.

It just means Fox can't read the future. Neither can CBS.
Which reminds me, does anyone here agree with me that, among FOX, ESPN and CBS - the CBS coverage of the NFL is the lamest?

What was with Jim Nance on the podium after the game announcing to the world that "We just saw the greatest SuperBowl in history?" I am glad he speaks for all of us now! Puhleeease!

 

[wierwolf]

I think it was a good call at the time. either or.... whatever. What changed that game at the end was the shank by Kasey!!!!! You gotta be kidding me.... Put too much pressure on the defense. As soon as he did that I knew the game was over. Adam, even though he missed two prior FG, I knew he was not going to miss this one.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Which reminds me, does anyone here agree with me that, among FOX, ESPN and CBS - the CBS coverage of the NFL is the lamest?

CBS's just seems the stuffiest and most over-serious. Jim Nance is ********. On the pre-game show they have those stupid buzzers and act like they're having fun, but it's pretty obvious that they're just trying to be like the FOX show.

The only thing good about CBS's coverage is that they're constantly showing scores from other games in the left-hand corner.

 

[Southpaw]

It just means Fox can't read the future. Neither can CBS.
Which reminds me, does anyone here agree with me that, among FOX, ESPN and CBS - the CBS coverage of the NFL is the lamest? [/B]

The worst. Simms is dreadful. Missed replays ( 4th Q the first alley oop pass from Jake to Smith). Those that were replayed got lost in the wierd angles and gimmicks. The Foster run for a TD was much better live than gimmicked up replay. Game deserved much better.

 

[JeffGollin]

CBS's just seems the stuffiest and most over-serious.
And least knowledgeable and "with it" regarding what's going on in pro football.

It reminds of the way it was with the local media several years back during the end of the Buddy era and the beginning of the Vince era.

It was as though interviewers and fans would always ask the players and coaches such in-depth questions as "So how do you think the Cards are going to do this year, huh?"

Same deal with CBS - it's as though they have non-football producers responsible for NFL-related content.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by kerouac9
You sound like Davey Mac. It's never the coach's fault.

I, for one, disagreed with Simms. You have to go for 2 there. There's no reason to think that both Ds would loosen up the way that they did. You have to take that chance, because in the Super Bowl, there's no tomorrow.

I agree with K9 and Wally on this one. Both times going for the 2 made all the sense in the world to me. I think the "book" says to do what he did as well. I gotta believe a majority of the NFL coaches, in similar circumstances, would have done the same.

The killer, as someone pointed out, was Bill Grammatica dressing up as Kasay and kicking the ball out of bounds. I cannot fathom how that could possibly be allowed to happen. Even though Kasay has said he thought he hit it solid, the coverage play should be towards middle of the field in that instance to take the out of bounds problem out of the equation. Take your chances with your coverage team making the play they should and pinning the Pats further back.