West Coast Blockbuster

[mojorizen7]

Yep it's another pipe dream trade thread. Having some fun with it no doubt. It works financially but it's more to get some opinions.

SUNS-My thinking was of course to 1st and foremost make our beloved SUNS tougher and stronger and get some defense & rebounding in here. Anyone that thinks we'd miss S.Marion bringing in Artest & Collison are smoking IMO. We'd miss Leandro's scoring but i strongly believe that leading the league in scoring isn't essential in winning a title. We would be a little thin in the back-court.
NASH/BANKS
HILL/BELL/D.J.
ARTEST/COLLISON
STOUDEMIRE/WILCOX/COLLISON
WILCOX/PETRO/DIAW
KINGS-I think the Kings have grown tired of B.Miller and Marion would be an exciting addition and give's them a nice nucleus w/BIBBY,MARION,MARTIN, & SALMONS.along with a true back-up PG in E.Watson although Beno Udrin has shown flashes. Skinner is a throw in to give them some size and athleticism in place of Miller.
SEATTLE- this would be the toughest sell. Losing Wilcox,Collison & Petro for Brad Miller(prob the deal killer) but WTF? They may be interested in picks to build around Durant. They could use some shooters & Barbs will certainly shoot right? They need a PG and Garcia has shown the ability to run things in SAC in Bibby's absence(i like Garcia's game but he's not a PG). Seattle get's awfully soft in the middle after this deal. ???

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Sacramento Kings



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Brian Skinner
Salary: $770,610 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 4.0 REB: 4.2 AST: 0.3 PER: 12.99

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Shawn Marion
Salary: $16,440,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 16.4 REB: 10.2 AST: 2.1 PER: 20.51

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Earl Watson
Salary: $5,800,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 8.3 REB: 2.7 AST: 6.1 PER: 11.91

Outgoing Players: Brad Miller, Francisco Garcia, Ron Artest

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Phoenix Suns



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Nick Collison
Salary: $5,750,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 8.8 REB: 8.8 AST: 1.7 PER: 15.63

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Chris Wilcox
Salary: $6,500,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 13.3 REB: 7.4 AST: 1.0 PER: 17.25

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Johan Petro
Salary: $1,077,120 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 4.1 REB: 3.7 AST: 0.4 PER: 10.35

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Ron Artest
Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 19.1 REB: 6.1 AST: 4.3 PER: 17.27

Outgoing Players: Brian Skinner, Shawn Marion, Leandro Barbosa,2008 #1 draft pick.

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Seattle SuperSonics



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Brad Miller
Salary: $10,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 14.1 REB: 8.7 AST: 3.3 PER: 16.60

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Francisco Garcia
Salary: $1,168,800 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 13.6 REB: 3.7 AST: 1.5 PER: 15.11

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Leandro Barbosa
Salary: $5,600,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 17.5 REB: 2.9 AST: 2.9 PER: 17.97
SUNS 2008 #1 draft pick

Outgoing Players: Earl Watson, Nick Collison, Chris Wilcox, Johan Petro

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[dodie53]

suddenly,
the Suns are loaded with bigs.

 

[arwillan]

suddenly,
the Suns are loaded with bigs.

not really loaded. they gain 2 out of this trade giving us a grand total of 4, which is pretty normal.

 

[green machine]

Can't get over the Artest thing huh?

No way the Suns bring him in.

 

[devilalum]

Can't get over the Artest thing huh?

No way the Suns bring him in.

I think we've got a Ron Artest manlove situation.

And by the way, teams need guards just as much as big men.

 

[mojorizen7]

Manlove?.......I must be missing something here.

And by the way, teams need guards just as much as big men.

Yes they do. Is there more info coming on that statement?

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[dodie53]

not really loaded. they gain 2 out of this trade giving us a grand total of 4, which is pretty normal.

4 bigs is not normal for the Suns

 

[HooverDam]

Again, Im so glad most fans aren't GMs, thats a horrendous trade for Phoenix. You lose an All Star, a near All Star and a #1 pick for a headcase and some role players- whoo hoo.

 

[scXfreakX]

I do not want Ron Artest. We already have enough egos as it is. I don't think it will help chemistry. I think I'll pass. The only bright side is getting a few bigs.

 

[mojorizen7]

Again, Im so glad most fans aren't GMs, thats a horrendous trade for Phoenix. You lose an All Star, a near All Star and a #1 pick for a headcase and some role players- whoo hoo.

With all due respect I'm beginning to think you are the SUNS GM with your apparent inability to recognize what's missing(and has been missing) here.
Can you tell me whats wrong with bringing in role players that won't necessarily demand the ball but stick to what they do well and help fill an obvious area of severe weakness? Barbosa is as close to being an all-star as 30 other NBA players.
Artest is a head case yes but so is Randy Moss. Put him on a good team with some good people around him and who knows?
I can certainly respect your opinion on why you wouldn't make a deal like this Hoover but it's awfully safe to continually refute & state what you wouldn't do as opposed to what you might do to improve this team.

 

[HooverDam]

Well, I realize for one that the Suns are first place in the toughest conference. I'm also a realist, I think the Suns could benefit from a small tweak, but a major change wouldn't be a good idea in my estimation. I just don't think you jettison players like Marion and LB for a bunch of junk, Im sorry.

If I were GM, Id try to make a smaller move, like bringing in Birdman Anderson for defense, blocks and rebounding on a minimum deal. Or try to find a 3 point specialist out there somewhere. I dont think a major deal is warranted to needed

 

[mojorizen7]

Ok now we're geting somewhere.
This guy? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2308918
Any news on his re-instatement? He would definately help us on the court i agree.
Artest would certainly be a high-risk/high-reward type but Anderson isn't?
I don't consider Nick Collison/Ron Artest/Chris Wilcox a bag o junk either.

 

[PoolBoy]

i dont like this move... no reason why other than artest, and the fact that i think we can do better.

 

[arwillan]

Ok now we're geting somewhere.
This guy? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2308918
Any news on his re-instatement? He would definately help us on the court i agree.
Artest would certainly be a high-risk/high-reward type but Anderson isn't?
I don't consider Nick Collison/Ron Artest/Chris Wilcox a bag o junk either.

i wouldn't call those players junk either, however wilcox can't defend his way out of a paper bag. What i don't like about this trade is it probably puts hill coming off the bench. Nash/Bell/Artest/Wilcox/Amare is a solid starting lineup but we rely on hill and diaw to do all of the offense off the bench (along with collison). i'm not sure i like that notion. You could argue for a lineup of Nash/Bell/Hill/Artest/Amare because that gets wilcox coming off the bench as an offensive spark but that lineup puts us in a even worse situation with rebounds.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I think we've got a Ron Artest manlove situation.

And by the way, teams need guards just as much as big men.

Ron Artest is exactly what we need.

 

[HooverDam]

Ok now we're geting somewhere.
This guy? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2308918
Any news on his re-instatement? He would definately help us on the court i agree.
Artest would certainly be a high-risk/high-reward type but Anderson isn't?
I don't consider Nick Collison/Ron Artest/Chris Wilcox a bag o junk either.

Anderson would be almost no risk. You sign him for a minimum deal, if he can't play anymore or is on drugs again, you cut him.

 

[mojorizen7]

Anderson would be almost no risk. You sign him for a minimum deal, if he can't play anymore or is on drugs again, you cut him.

Is Anderson a free agent? If he is then i'd assume that if he was able to come in & make an impact defensively that he'd be on somebody's roster at this point. If we'd have to make a deal for him then the risk is there.A minimum deal is still a roster spot.
I don't know about his status.
After the Dumas years i wonder if the SUNS would want to bring in a guy with that type of history.

 

[HooverDam]

^ My understanding is that he's been working extremely hard, staying clean and is trying to make a comeback. I also think he's a free agent and can sign w/ anyone, so we'll see. I'd be surprised, but thrilled, if the Suns made a run at him.

 

[devilalum]

Is Anderson a free agent? If he is then i'd assume that if he was able to come in & make an impact defensively that he'd be on somebody's roster at this point. If we'd have to make a deal for him then the risk is there.A minimum deal is still a roster spot.
I don't know about his status.
After the Dumas years i wonder if the SUNS would want to bring in a guy with that type of history.

There's almost nobody with the Suns that was around for any of the Drug issues, unless you count Al McCoy.

Jerry was really adamant about avoiding players with any drug issues after Dumas but he's gone.

 

[mojorizen7]

There's almost nobody with the Suns that was around for any of the Drug issues, unless you count Al McCoy.

Jerry was really adamant about avoiding players with any drug issues after Dumas but he's gone.

True but judging by the assemblance of nice guys on this team i'm afraid that hasn't changed much. I'm of the firm belief that you need a couple "not so nice guys" on your team. Guys that aren't so quick to lend a helping hand out to a opposing player that get's knocked down after committing a foul.Or guys that aren't afraid to give a hard,legal foul from time to time(excluding Raja Bell). Or guys that can set hard picks to get aggressive guards off your PG's back.
Like it or not folks,this SUNS team is soft. As was last years team,and the one before it. I don't like it.
Grant Hill was a great addition and it made good sense to bring in a guy that could create his own shot,had some veteran leadership and came cheap etc...but we desperately need some toughness in here.

 

[tobiazz]

Birdman probably did coke (maybe meth?). Weed is one thing, but harder drugs usually point to other problems. I would not sign him.

I would not consider Artest unless it was some sort Diaw trade. However, it would be nice to see him on D with a healthy Bell and a decent center.

 

[arwillan]

Birdman probably did coke (maybe meth?). Weed is one thing, but harder drugs usually point to other problems. I would not sign him.

I would not consider Artest unless it was some sort Diaw trade. However, it would be nice to see him on D with a healthy Bell and a decent center.

the birdman is a taller gerald green anyway, nothing more.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I remember reading something about him saying he experimented out of sheer boredom. He has changed his life around, gone to rehab, and has been busting his ass.

The difference between him and gerald green is that he is known for his hustle and defense too.

 

[mojorizen7]

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* I've been outta work for a few days with a back injury so i've had some extra time on my hands.
After browsing thru the KINGS/GRIZZ boards, this also makes some sense IMO. Again, it works financially. That 2nd unit makes our current one look like a YMCA squad. Depth,better defense,improved rebounding,and a legit back-up PG.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...510~996~817&teams=21~21~29~29~23~21&te=&cash=

S.NASH/D.STOUDAMIRE
R.BELL/L.BARBOSA
R.ARTEST/G.HILL
A.STOUDEMIRE/B.SKINNER
B.MILLER/B.DIAW
*DA could go small with Nash,Barbs,Hill,Artest,Stat.
go big w/Barbs,Hill,Artest,Stat,Miller(Skinner).

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Sacramento Kings


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Pau Gasol
Salary: $13,735,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 18.9 REB: 8.6 AST: 2.8 PER: 20.47

Outgoing Players: Brad Miller, Ron Artest

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Phoenix Suns



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Brad Miller
Salary: $10,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 14.1 REB: 8.9 AST: 3.4 PER: 16.36

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Damon Stoudamire
Salary: $4,350,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 7.3 REB: 2.4 AST: 3.9 PER: 12.13

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Ron Artest
Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 19.1 REB: 6.1 AST: 4.3 PER: 17.23

Outgoing Players: Shawn Marion, Marcus Banks

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Memphis Grizzlies



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Shawn Marion
Salary: $16,440,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 16.1 REB: 10.1 AST: 2.1 PER: 20.20

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Marcus Banks
Salary: $3,966,207 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 6.1 REB: 0.9 AST: 1.1 PER: 12.25

Outgoing Players: Damon Stoudamire, Pau Gasol