What about LB

[TheCardFan]

Those charts are indicative, and with the possibility of Minn, Tex and Miami all interested in Quinn, you may get the extra value out of Miami.

That being said -- its still rampant speculation on my part.

I agree...small price to pay for Miami to get a potential franchise QB. The first one in Miami since they drafted Marino.

 

[DieHardFromMO]

I wonder if the Cardinals will re-sign Monty Beisel to a contract for the vet minimum to back-up Gerald Hayes in the middle. I thought he looked pretty good filling in last year when Hayes got injured.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Not until 2008 though

Why?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I wonder if the Cardinals will re-sign Monty Beisel to a contract for the vet minimum to back-up Gerald Hayes in the middle. I thought he looked pretty good filling in last year when Hayes got injured.

They could, but it's my understanding - that if they wait till the first week of the season to sign him, they don't have to guarantee the contract for the season.

 

[WildBB]

BTW -- if choosing between Willis and Leron Landry -- I would go Willis. Just as good a player and I put more value on a front seven player than a free safety.

Gotta disagree. With the rule changes a few yrs. ago favoring the WR's (Colts ) you have to put a premium on cover saftey's. Alot of NFL teams agreed and you saw that last yr. in the draft. It's a trend that will continue MTL.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Let me give you an outlier scenario:

With Joe Thomas gone, the Cards trade down with Miami to #9 and pick up an extra second. Fins take Quinn

At #9 the Cards take -- Patrick Willis, LB Ole Miss. Fast, smart, big hitter who is great in coverage. SEC defensive player of the year. Played inside in college but plenty fast enough to move outside. Immediately goes to SLB allowing Dansby to go to WLB. Gives the Cards another impact front seven player.

Before anybody scoffs -- it is a position of need and he could very well be the BPA at that point. BTW -- if choosing between Willis and Leron Landry -- I would go Willis. Just as good a player and I put more value on a front seven player than a free safety.

If Joe Thomas is not at #5 we should take Levi Brown, IMO.

I think finding an OT is more important than anythign else at this point.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't know about Brown. He reminds me of Big in that he lacks that Nasty streak I want to see in Offensive Linemen. Plus like Big I believe that he will struggle against the faster DEs in the NFL.

Levi Brown is:
Ht: 6-5 Wt: 324

No exactly the load that BIG was. And from watching his game tapes, and work outs he seems more than quick enough to play against faster/quicker DE's

Brown or Thomas at #5 cause we NEED a OT. Badly.

 

[daytripper]

The Cardinals are still weak at LB. Apparently, no FA's are signing and the draft pool at LB is thin. What do you think Whiz has planned?

Wilson at WLB in a 3/4

Essentialy 3 safeties
3LBS and 3 DLS

 

[JeffGollin]

Actually, the points would be close to this:

We trade teh 5th pick and our 4th rd pick to Miami for the 9th pick and their 2nd rd pick.

1796 points Cards
1840 poinst Miami

Not a bad trade. Plus - If Miami wants the pick badly enough, we might not have to sacrifice a high 4th rounder.

Remember that there are several different draft value charts floating around out there, and also the CW that value points shift a little from year to year depending on supply and demand.

If we traded down to #9, I'd assume it would be to draft Levi Brown.

At #37,and the other 2nd round pick, I could see us targeting a LB and CB (in no particular order). This isn't a particularly good year for run blocking TE's, but if there's one out there, I think we'll try to nab one in the middle rounds. I really don't see us betting the farm - either at the top of the draft or on the first day - on a pass rushing DE. I just don't few it as a pressing need.

Note - Despite what RG and KW say about BPA, I think our ineffectiveness in free agency will unfortunately force us to make "need" a more important criteria this year.

 

[Lorenzo]

someone mentioned donnie edwards. he's a vetran that could come at a bargain. he is a tackle machine. i hope the cowboys take a look at him.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Let me give you an outlier scenario:

With Joe Thomas gone, the Cards trade down with Miami to #9 and pick up an extra second. Fins take Quinn

At #9 the Cards take -- Patrick Willis, LB Ole Miss. Fast, smart, big hitter who is great in coverage. SEC defensive player of the year. Played inside in college but plenty fast enough to move outside. Immediately goes to SLB allowing Dansby to go to WLB. Gives the Cards another impact front seven player.

Before anybody scoffs -- it is a position of need and he could very well be the BPA at that point. BTW -- if choosing between Willis and Leron Landry -- I would go Willis. Just as good a player and I put more value on a front seven player than a free safety.

I agree, good post.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I am not going to scoff but I think the debate would be between Willis vs Levi Brown. Either one would be a solid pick and would net us an additional #2 pick .

I think LT is our biggest need followed by OLB and I don't see Levi Brown as a LT but he could certainly play RT and move Wells to LT.

I for one would not feel comfortable having a rookie guard Matt's blindside.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I don't know about Brown. He reminds me of Big in that he lacks that Nasty streak I want to see in Offensive Linemen. Plus like Big I believe that he will struggle against the faster DEs in the NFL.

I think I would go for Willis if this trade happened. In fact I would do it in a heart beat if they were offering up a second rounder to move up. I highly doubt they would offer a pick that high.

With 2 picks in the Second round you could land a CB and an OT. That would be awesome!

Of course they would offer a second. You dont EVER move into the top 5 without giving up atleast a 2nd rounder. I would be kinda disappointed of the Cards weren't able to secure an extra 1st rounder for next year. You know what we do with that extra first rounder next year? We package it up with our own first an our second and trade them for the rights to McFadden.

 

[cardsfanmd]

LeVar Arrington anyone?

Coming froma guy that lives in the Washington area I promise you that you dont want any part of him in Arizona. He is the epitome of a cancer. Not to mention the man is a ******.

 

[Big Deal]

In another post I laid out the scenario of trading into the teens and picking up a 2nd. How does this sound....

1) Willis
2a) Staley
2b) Z. Miller

That fills a lot of holes!

 

[football karma]

In another post I laid out the scenario of trading into the teens and picking up a 2nd. How does this sound....

1) Willis
2a) Staley
2b) Z. Miller

That fills a lot of holes!

I like it, other than I suspect that there will be a highly rated corner sitting at 2b, and, I really beleive Miller will be there in the third

 

[Chopper0080]

I think that LB is one area that we would be ok getting older at. If we had the money, I would say sign Beisel, Donnie Edwards and James DArling. All inexpensive, versatile and true professionals.

 

[Evil Ash]

I think that LB is one area that we would be ok getting older at. If we had the money, I would say sign Beisel, Donnie Edwards and James DArling. All inexpensive, versatile and true professionals.

Edwards just signed with the Chiefs

 

[lobo]

Not gonna happen.

Pro Bowl this year if not next.

My last word on LD. What are you basing this on? His previous Pro Bowl appearances? He is going to get better on Dallas, because he was dogging it here? See if you can do it in 50 words or less.

 

[BACH]

Not a bad trade. Plus - If Miami wants the pick badly enough, we might not have to sacrifice a high 4th rounder.

Remember that there are several different draft value charts floating around out there, and also the CW that value points shift a little from year to year depending on supply and demand.

If we traded down to #9, I'd assume it would be to draft Levi Brown.

At #37,and the other 2nd round pick, I could see us targeting a LB and CB (in no particular order). This isn't a particularly good year for run blocking TE's, but if there's one out there, I think we'll try to nab one in the middle rounds. I really don't see us betting the farm - either at the top of the draft or on the first day - on a pass rushing DE. I just don't few it as a pressing need.

Note - Despite what RG and KW say about BPA, I think our ineffectiveness in free agency will unfortunately force us to make "need" a more important criteria this year.[/color]

With the weak, weak free agent market, don't you think that's going to be a trend this draft. We've already seen more trades this off-season than we have in the last 2-3 years combined.

Don't you think that trend will continue into the draft? A lot of teams haven't added any FAs and will need the draft to fill needs.

 

[TheCardFan]

My last word on LD. What are you basing this on? His previous Pro Bowl appearances? He is going to get better on Dallas, because he was dogging it here? See if you can do it in 50 words or less.

He was a Pro Bowl alternate here twice...so, he wasn't far away from the Pro Bowl on a crappy team.

I am done with debating my opinion, if anyone wants to wager...fine.

I have two of them going:

1) Oliver Ross will not be our starting LT on opening day.
2) LD will be in the Pro Bowl in the next two years.

 

[Bobcat]

Make Adrian Wilson into a LB. Just a thought.


BOBCAT

 

[football karma]

He was a Pro Bowl alternate here twice...so, he wasn't far away from the Pro Bowl on a crappy team.

I am done with debating my opinion, if anyone wants to wager...fine.

I have two of them going:

1) Oliver Ross will not be our starting LT on opening day.
2) LD will be in the Pro Bowl in the next two years.

I also think he will make the Pro Bowl -- but with an identical level of play as he had here in AZ

He makes it based on Dallas hype alone

 

[Lorenzo]

I also think he will make the Pro Bowl -- but with an identical level of play as he had here in AZ

He makes it based on Dallas hype alone

that's why i sometimes wonder if flozell adams and andre gurode were as good as people thought. i thought the cowboys o-line was inconsistent last season. they seemed to do well with penalties....it seemed rivera and kosier struggled the most there. i rarely heard colombo's name called....so he must of done okay.