What could salvage this off season?

[wsupkid]

Ok I waited all year for this off season. And Nash is what we got? Is that enough for anyone?

Fat chance: I want a big name!
Marion for who? Now that his name has been around every team in the NBA, what are our options in trading him? Vince?, KOBE? Iverson? ( booo )?

 

[Dave64]

If all we get is Nash, then it is totally unacceptable!

 

[mark1]

Sign Dice. I can't believe they haven't offered him a deal yet.

 

[hcsilla]

If all we get is Nash then it is totally OK.

 

[Chaplin]

Like Dice is a marquee signing...

Come on! It's one thing to be frustrated, but Nash is a VERY good signing. As far as I'm concerned, after Kobe, the #1 signing for us as a team is Steve Nash. No question. A healthy Marcus Camby probably would be very close, but Nash is a terrific signing.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If all we get is Nash then it is totally OK.

an improvement, but a tremendous disappointment considering all the moves we made.

 

[hcsilla]

an improvement, but a tremendous disappointment considering all the moves we made.

I disagree.

Marbury, Penny for Nash, Eisley, 7 mil. cap room, Vujanic, Lampe and at least 40 mil. savings.

That was an excellent job by Colangelo.

 

[Dave64]

I love the Nash signing. We overpaid a bit. I guess we will find out to what extent when the deal is finalized. However, with all of the moves we made that ALL pointed to this summer, if all we do is sign Nash and let our own FA's walk (which I have no problem with, except maybe Dice), then that is totally unacceptable. That type of non-action should not be tolerated by any por team's fans. Nash is good, but we HAD to have more. A lot more! Get Q!

 

[wsupkid]

When did we ever give KOBE a chance? ESPN said we had scheduled a sit dow with KoBE on the third, but we sign nash before talking to KoBE? Nash is a good pick if KoBE is not on the table. But at what price? Is Nash worth what we gave him? I think we paid a bit much!!!

P.S. If we had no chance to get KoBE than it was a good move.

 

[hcsilla]

P.S. If we had no chance to get KoBE than it was a good move.

I'm sure we had not. Who would prefer Nash over Kobe?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Its been a good off-season. Its just that speculation on message boards has been so out of sight, almost anything would have to be a let down.

Nash is a very good signing. And watching how the rest of free agency is playing out, it is looking better all the time.

Losing Iggy was a disappointment, but that deal isn't finished yet. We got about $1.5 m in extra cap room, Vroman, and a 1st next year. That extra 1.5 could be huge in the second signing this summer. So we'll have to see where that ends up.

We didn't sign Okur.

Not signing Kobe is a mixt issue. He's such a fantastic player, and such a headache. It seems that the Lakers are determined to ruin him rather than see him go anywhere else. Giving a player--as young as Kobe esp--as much say as they are in coaching and personnel issues is a big mistake. The guy is a head case already.

Then there's the rape thing. I would have had alot of difficulty with that one. He's such a great player, but he's also likely a rapist. All I hope from that is for the truth to come out. If he did it, I hope its clear for all to see. If he did not, I hope that is just as clear.

I'd hate to find myself rooting for justice to not be served just because he is on my team. I couldn't do that. But it sure would hurt the team if we had signed him.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I disagree.

Marbury, Penny for Nash, Eisley, 7 mil. cap room, Vujanic, Lampe and at least 40 mil. savings.

That was an excellent job by Colangelo.

first of all, can we stop citing vujanic? he's not coming this offseason, there's no sign of his definitely coming at all, most of us have little to know idea of how good he is, and i think as he continues to play in europe, and continues to age, his value in any trades continues to dwindle. i consider him a nonfactor in the deal at this point.

penny for eisley is close to a wash, except for the fact that i think penny was a bit more productive as a player and a bit more of a headache in the lockerroom (and yeah, his absence has helped jj bloom a bit).

the $40M in savings does nothing to improve the team. 'specially in light of the fact that the colengeli have sold the team. nonfactor.

if we don't use the $7M this offseason it's not like we get to keep it. jj will swallow most of that with his extension next offseason, so this is almost a nonfactor.

also, haven't we given up some draft picks along the way?

to my thinking this leaves the following: marbury for nash and lampe. yes, i agree that nash maybe a better fit for our squad than is marbs, but he's also something like 4 years older. that closes our window CONSIDERABLY. you cannot dispute this fact and i think it's being largely overlooked on this board. and with lampe we have no idea what we've got. he's got some skill. he's young. he's big. he was touted as a potential top-5 pick. but we can't discount the fact that he was a SECOND ROUND SELECTION. yes, i understand there were rumors about his contract status - but that alone doesn't usually result in second-round status. heck, big jake had contract rumors swirling about him and we still took him late in the first round. none of us know if he's worth anything.

so, given all these moves, if things stopped here, i think the dealings kinda stink. 'specially when we were told that the suns were gonna make "significant moves" and "still had tricks up their sleeves." just my humble opinion.

 

[coloradosun]

Nash was necessary to make Phoenix more attractive to other free agents, that's why BC made it the first phone call and a priority.

 

[wsupkid]

So, is it bad that I for one am or was willing to take that chance. ( if he is convicted of rape )

 

[Dave64]

You have to factor in the 34 (exaggerated on purpose) first round picks we gave up in the process.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Nash was necessary to make Phoenix more attractive to other free agents, that's why BC made it the first phone call and a priority.

i understand the logic there . . . but has it worked? we haven't seen any payday outta that move yet . . .who's clamoring to sign with us now?

 

[hcsilla]

first of all, can we stop citing vujanic? he's not coming this offseason, there's no sign of his definitely coming at all, most of us have little to know idea of how good he is, and i think as he continues to play in europe, and continues to age, his value in any trades continues to dwindle. i consider him a nonfactor in the deal at this point.

Anyway, he does have some value because he is one of the best PG's in Europe.

the $40M in savings does nothing to improve the team. 'specially in light of the fact that the colengeli have sold the team. nonfactor.

It may easily improve the team in the long run. What they saved now they can spend later. Anyway it's still a part of Colangelo's job.

if we don't use the $7M this offseason it's not like we get to keep it.

We do have an ENTIRE year to use the cap room in trades. Just ask the Nuggets and the JAzz how effective it can be.

 

[cheng]

I disagree.

Marbury, Penny for Nash, Eisley, 7 mil. cap room, Vujanic, Lampe and at least 40 mil. savings.

That was an excellent job by Colangelo.

7 mil cap room = white's salary = Cav's first round pick + #7 pick's salary this year.

Signing Nash is probably the best they could/should do. There is no question they overpaid Nash. And Marbury will still be in his prime while Nash heads into retirement in 4-5 years.

who cares 40 mil savings when Colangelo doesnt put together a competitive team.