What did people ever see in Bobbie Massie?

[Crazy Canuck]

What happened to Brandon Keith? It's like he just disappeared off the face of the earth after Grimm was suppose to develop him into the next Larry Allen.

???

Who knows?

Maybe if he'd trained as a guard he would have been.

 

[TJ]

???

Who knows?

Maybe if he'd trained as a guard he would have been.

Keith would have been a solid guard. His footwork was not good enough to be a tackle. Odd enough, had Matt Leinart panned out in 2010, Keith would have been his blindside blocker.

 

[kerouac9]

Agree that it's a win-now league, but from a coach's standpoint they still take into consideration longevity and the future health of the franchise. Every coach gets fired, it's just a matter of when. The better off they leave the franchise the easier it is for them to land their next job, so I think it's always in mind. I do agree though that nothing replaces winning.

The coaches who annoy me the most are the ones who use gimmicks (Rex Ryan) to win now rather than build for longevity. There's little that Rex does that will be relevant or helpful 5 years from now for that franchise. Denny Greene built a roster that another coach took to the SB, and say what you will about Whisenhunt but he changed a culture and philosophy that will remain after he's gone.

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No they don't. That's not the coach's job. That's the GENERAL MANAGER'S job, and even he can only afford to plan ahead for the next two or three seasons (which is an eternity in the NFL).

And it doesn't matter how the head coach leaves their franchise for their next job. If they left their franchise well off, it's even more of a testament to how crappy a coach they were with the talent they had on hand. How many jobs did Denny Green get after he build a Super Bowl roster here? Bill Cowher's roster won a Super Bowl two seasons after he left; where did he land on his feet?

The coach gets rewarded with the next program based on what he did with the talent he had on hand in the past, not the future. Even more so, the coach tends to get hired based on his ability to interview and impress his ownership and general manager with managerial competence and plan how to move forward with the pieces that are already in place (it's difficult to get a job when you tell the guys who acquired all your pieces, "Man, all these guys stink. I can't win with this garbage. We're going to start with these four NFL-capable players and fill in around them over five or six years.").

 

[Crazy Canuck]

No they don't. That's not the coach's job. That's the GENERAL MANAGER'S job, and even he can only afford to plan ahead for the next two or three seasons (which is an eternity in the NFL).

And it doesn't matter how the head coach leaves their franchise for their next job. If they left their franchise well off, it's even more of a testament to how crappy a coach they were with the talent they had on hand. How many jobs did Denny Green get after he build a Super Bowl roster here? Bill Cowher's roster won a Super Bowl two seasons after he left; where did he land on his feet?

The coach gets rewarded with the next program based on what he did with the talent he had on hand in the past, not the future. Even more so, the coach tends to get hired based on his ability to interview and impress his ownership and general manager with managerial competence and plan how to move forward with the pieces that are already in place (it's difficult to get a job when you tell the guys who acquired all your pieces, "Man, all these guys stink. I can't win with this garbage. We're going to start with these four NFL-capable players and fill in around them over five or six years.").

Denny had no offers... Cowher did!

 

[Dayman]

Massie may turn out alright, but he's on his way to having a historically bad season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/78764/final-word-nfc-west-54

According to Stats LLC, Batiste ranks second only to Cardinals right tackle Bobby Massie in sacks allowed this season. The totals are nine for Massie and 7.5 for Batiste.

To put these stats in further perspective, four entire teams have allowed fewer sacks than Massie has allowed on his own. Two others have allowed an equal amount. His 1.5 sack per game pace would leave him at a staggering 24 sacks allowed by the end of the season. Buffalo gave up 23 sacks all last season.

 

[Southpaw]

Massie came from an offense impaired team in the SEC. 4th round seems right where he belonged. I suspect it is a rare happening that a 4th round rookie starts in the NFL. Massie may be one of those guys who looks spectacular on team photo day, but gets exposed on game day.